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aFineLine2tread -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/29/2008 1:23:58 PM)

The reason they've not gotten Bin Laden is the same reason they didn't take Baghdad during desert shield...leave the enemy behind so that military spending can be justified, if there were no war the the gov wouldn't be spending billions suppossedly for the sake of savages that don't and never will want us there.



variation30 -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/29/2008 1:58:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

...and to misquote still further........"A mile is a mile, but a million miles is just a very long way"........scale distorts perception. However some of us still try to wrap our heads around it......our mind may rebel from the reality, but we try to work around it. Denying it's reality and meaning, as Variation 30 appears to do, is just lazy at best....sociopathic ( in this context) at worst.


you may want to reread what I wrote. this has nothing to do with how many people died, it has to do with my familiarity of the people who died. for instance, one stranger dying means less to me than on friend dying. likewise, 100 strangers dying means less to me than 99 friends dying.

glad I could clear that up for you.



philosophy -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/29/2008 2:41:55 PM)

..ok, so what does 195 strangers murdered by terrorists mean to you? Just to clear that up........



aFineLine2tread -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/29/2008 5:21:06 PM)

It means that if they did a better job policing themselves it wouldn't happen. Can't say there's many suicide bombers around here, I say let them blow themselves up rather than our soldiers dying for oil, and screw mumbaii, I'm so sick of calling various companies and getting indians I can't understand, there go more american jobs....



meatcleaver -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 3:19:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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We`ll see a reasoned approach

Kowtowing and servile submission to terrorists is never a reasoned approach.  Might as well congratulate them on the success of their terror tactics--if you are going to hand them victory, that would be the only generous thing to do.

They want to reason with guns.  Very well, let us reason with guns.  If they want to stop reasoning with guns, then let us reason by other means.  Until then, let us reason with guns.  If that means sending a few hundred or a few thousand of them to Paradise, so be it. 

They chose war; let their consequence be death.



I know I might as well talk to a wall but here goes. Bush's tactics have failed miserably, he has increased the problems that create terrorism in the first place, with all the collateral killings and bank rolling corrupt politicians in Kabul, he has succeeded in alienating a population he needs on side and to top that, even America's allies don't want to be associated with his policies because they can see what a disaster they are.

You fight terrorism over the long term. Neutralize the immediate terrorists and then find solutions to the problems that create an alienated population willing to host terrorists or even become terrorists themselves. It is not rocket science. The problem for people like you is that this approach doesn't give you the instant gratification of spilling blood, its not an Hollywood movie scenario where the bad guys get their just deserts and the violent hero is redeemed. Life and real problems aren't movie scripts, you can't solve problems by sending in Rambo. The real solution, it tedious, frustrating, messy and unrewarding for the most part and there is never an actual moment when victory can be declared, a la Bush. 



Politesub53 -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 4:05:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

The problem for people like you is that this approach doesn't give you the instant gratification of spilling blood,


Meat, I dont agree with CL on many matters, but there is no need to use phrases such as this, just because you have differing views. I am sure no one with opposing views to me has them for gratification purposes.



meatcleaver -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 4:36:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

The problem for people like you is that this approach doesn't give you the instant gratification of spilling blood,


Meat, I dont agree with CL on many matters, but there is no need to use phrases such as this, just because you have differing views. I am sure no one with opposing views to me has them for gratification purposes.


To quote CL. Kowtowing and servile submission to terrorists is never a reasoned approach. 
 
It is difficult to reason with someone who insults reason by advocating tactics such as mindless bloodletting, which have failed so miserably over so many years and are still failing at this moment. CL's thinking is the same thinking that had the US blanket bombing Vietnam and Cambodia. It is the tactics of mindless desperation dressed up as decisive action.

The terrorists get what they deserve, which is often what they want but with such tactics, far far far more innocent people get killed and by those people that are claiming to protect them.

Of course we don't care about innocent Afghans or Pakistanis, they have dark skins and there are just so many of them.



piratecommander -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 12:34:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: aFineLine2tread

It means that if they did a better job policing themselves it wouldn't happen. Can't say there's many suicide bombers around here, I say let them blow themselves up rather than our soldiers dying for oil, and screw mumbaii, I'm so sick of calling various companies and getting indians I can't understand, there go more american jobs....



Correct me if I'm being in some way ignorant by asking this..........does this mean there's people who could have prevented the "nine eleven" by policing better , but didn't do a good enough job ? (in your opinion)
Q : how do you KNOW how many suicide bombers there are around there ?
Q : are you referring to Indians with a lower case I out of ignorance or bigotry ? (clearly your own I is an indicator)
Q : does America incliude the U.S.A. in the context of your post ?



celticlord2112 -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 12:46:02 PM)

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advocating tactics such as mindless bloodletting

I beg to differ.  I don't advocate mindless bloodletting.  I advocate mindful bloodletting.  The only blood I wish to let is that of terrorists and similar murderous thugs, and I only wish to let that blood for as long as they insist on being terrorists and similar murderous thugs.

If they will cease to kill, I will be more than happy to advocate they cease to be killed.



MrQwerty -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 12:51:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: piratecommander
Q : how do you KNOW how many suicide bombers there are around there ?

I think he is using the strange twisted logic that all people that work in call centres are suicide bombers and thus because there are no call centre staff in the US this means there are no suicide bombers.

It was a shameful post.
 



aFineLine2tread -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 5:30:06 PM)

Like I said already, let them police their own backyards and mind their own business, and for crying out loud, next time I call for tech help etc, give me someone who speaks english I can understand



GreedyTop -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 6:15:09 PM)

What on Earth do your experiences with call centers have to do with what happened in Mumbai? 



piratecommander -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 7:21:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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advocating tactics such as mindless bloodletting

I beg to differ.  I don't advocate mindless bloodletting.  I advocate mindful bloodletting.  The only blood I wish to let is that of terrorists and similar murderous thugs, and I only wish to let that blood for as long as they insist on being terrorists and similar murderous thugs.

If they will cease to kill, I will be more than happy to advocate they cease to be killed.



You have a right to differ...you do not need to beg .

Have you ever had to beg for your life ?
Have you ever had to beg for anything ?
I agree that terrorists and similar murderous thugs should accept death as a consequence.............
I believe that a man could be considered a freedom fighter or terrorist depending upon who is judging him.
I believe that anyone who volunteers their body as a weapon of war has also voluntered to die.
Remind me ..... just this once ..... who it is that has to stop killing first ?
Who is the Judge ?

I also advocate (mindful bloodletting) killing.Please do let me know if I'm sounding like a terrorist

Pirate




celticlord2112 -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 7:58:55 PM)

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Have you ever had to beg for your life ?
Have you ever had to beg for anything ?

Yes to both.

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Remind me ..... just this once ..... who it is that has to stop killing first ?

"They" do.   "They" being any such as the thugs in Mumbai, all affiliated with Al Qaeda, and any other terrorist group.



piratecommander -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 8:10:02 PM)

Define "terrorist" ...... I think I need an orange jumpsuit.
You chose to beg.

Pirate



celticlord2112 -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 8:49:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: piratecommander

Define "terrorist" ...... I think I need an orange jumpsuit.
You chose to beg.

Pirate

I refer to the definitions of "terrorism" and "terrorist (group)" supplied in Title 22 USC §2656f(d)
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(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;

(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group practicing, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;




piratecommander -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 10:05:07 PM)

I never begged for anything and I hope that remains to be the case,how does it feel to beg for your life ?

(Ive had it threatened but never begged for it )

Pirate



celticlord2112 -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 10:06:37 PM)

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I never begged for anything and I hope that remains to be the case,how does it feel to beg for your life ?

Sucks, frankly.

I don't recommend it.

Nor do I intend to do it again.



meatcleaver -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 10:41:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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advocating tactics such as mindless bloodletting

I beg to differ.  I don't advocate mindless bloodletting.  I advocate mindful bloodletting.  The only blood I wish to let is that of terrorists and similar murderous thugs, and I only wish to let that blood for as long as they insist on being terrorists and similar murderous thugs.

If they will cease to kill, I will be more than happy to advocate they cease to be killed.



Since the terrorists are on a suicide mission, killing them is a moot point.

Finding solutions to the conditions that cause terrorism is about reducing the innocent deaths caused by terrorism. It is about reducing the alienation that can be harvested for nihilistic terrorism. Now I know it is inconceivable to upstanding American rightwing citizens and even to many rightwing citizens of other western countries that their countries could in anyway be in someway responsible for the conditions that cause terrorism that is visited on them. But fighting a fire by pouring on petrol, just seems a little mindless. How many people were killed in 9/11 and how many since and what has been acheived apart from tens of thousands of other deaths? You got it, absolutely nothing.



celticlord2112 -> RE: Attacks in Mumbai leave at least 101 dead, 287 injured (11/30/2008 10:43:34 PM)

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Since the terrorists are on a suicide mission, killing them is a moot point.

Hardly.  If suicide is their intent, killing them is merely courtesy.  I would prefer to be courteous before their suicidal designs consume too many innocent lives.



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