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mistoferin -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 8:19:17 AM)
If you look around these boards you will see many examples of subs and slaves trying to be the "subbiest" or "slaveliest". I have always said that this isn't a competition. A sub or slave should be striving to be the best sub or slave for their master and meet his needs and requirements...not in comparison to other subs and slaves. They tend to use it to put others down in order to make themselves feel good. Many subs and slaves already have issues with their own self worth. Many subs and slaves strive to be the perfect partner for their dominant. A dominant should help their sub or slave to see their own value....not by placing them in a competition with others where there will be winners and losers. The winners walk away feeling they are better than...which should not be encouraged. How do the losers walk away feeling good about themselves? They walk away feeling like failures....a position their dominant should never put them in. Sorry but, this is a bad idea. There is already far too much competition in place where there should be none.

windchymes -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 8:43:03 AM)
Maybe I misunderstood the intent of the OP, but I interpreted his request to be sort of a sub "olympics" type thing, with games and fun, not a contest for Miss Slavilicious 2009 [;)] I think a day or evening of fun games like, in all seriousness, loaded tray relay races, where no one is deemed better than everyone else, more subbly, more slavely or anything like that, just some fun and games, would be a lot of fun. And maybe the winners could be made to serve everyone else present for refreshments, something like that. But a contest to decide that anyone is a better sub or slave than anyone else, noooo, I don't like that idea.

Master1170 -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 8:54:36 AM)
The idea is to be entertaining and fun. If a slave looses a certain competition, does this makes her a bad slave or the other the better slave? Of course not. I think some people did not understand the concept and idea, that it is to be fun. The Masters could even choose the competition in such a way (because they know their slaves) that by the end each slave has one an equal amount of competition. So, lots of entertainment for the Masters and no looser.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 9:12:46 AM)
The key is the idea that masters know their slaves. Just as often as it's said a master knows their slave better than they know themselves, you get a master who knows the version of truth that the slave wants seen. You see this in poly all the time with a clueless master who has no idea what's going on right there in his own house of dissension between the women involved.

GreedyTop -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 9:44:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CruelDesires quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop race: on their knees across a floor covered with rice or kitty litter? if hands touch the floor, disqualified... Rocksalt on skinned or cut knees works good too. coughs C-D sicko :)

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 9:49:20 AM)
the question still lays - fun and entertaining for whom? because you keep stressing that. i don't need to participate in someone's ego trip competition to prove my subbliness for my Daddy in front of others. what you fail to see is some submissives/slave have self-esteem / confidence issues. so why expose that in a competition amongst others? you're not really helping but in fact hurting.

Mastr4BustySluut -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 10:09:57 AM)
this is a very good idea and something I've given some thought to in the past. Some ponygirl races would be a good event. Some kind of wrestling event too.

mistoferin -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 10:13:29 AM)
Personally, I don't see my submission as game material. It would be kind of like having a bunch of lesbians compete to see who is the best/most lesbian.

mistoferin -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 10:18:50 AM)
I also just wanted to add that I have seen MANY instances where there is value placed on just how much a sub/slave can take...and that is often relayed in a way that makes it seem as though that it is a measure of submission. No one should ever be made to feel that they are less submissive because they can only take 4oz weights on their nipples and sub suzy can take a full lb....or that they can only take a light flogging and slave becky can take a full English caning. Pain tolerance and endurance have nothing whatsoever to do with depth of submission.

Mastr4BustySluut -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 12:04:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Master1170 If a slave looses a certain competition, does this makes her a bad slave or the other the better slave? Well, Yes. It shows which is the stronger, more athletic slave. If one has a couple of slaves it can let the loser know that she is even inferior to her sister slave and make her even more submissive which I see as a good thing.

mistoferin -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 12:17:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mastr4BustySluut quote: ORIGINAL: Master1170 If a slave looses a certain competition, does this makes her a bad slave or the other the better slave? Well, Yes. It shows which is the stronger, more athletic slave. If one has a couple of slaves it can let the loser know that she is even inferior to her sister slave and make her even more submissive which I see as a good thing. To the OP....this mentality is the very reason why I posted the way I did. It's unfortunate but it's pretty prevalent. You may be out for fun and kicks....but there are many that will view it this way. Sad.

sunshinemiss -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 12:22:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mastr4BustySluut quote: ORIGINAL: Master1170 If a slave looses a certain competition, does this makes her a bad slave or the other the better slave? Well, Yes. It shows which is the stronger, more athletic slave. If one has a couple of slaves it can let the loser know that she is even inferior to her sister slave and make her even more submissive which I see as a good thing. So you think making a woman feel inferior is the way to make her more submissive? Well, we have a word for that - doormat. You really think that a encouraging a woman to have worse self esteem will make her more submissive? Luckily, I have folks who want to SHOW OFF my talents and be proud of me. They know that a happy, contented, proud woman makes a better, wiser, more submissive woman. Because you see, they don't want to be the people I'm with because "I'm so worthless" but they want me to be with them because I know my value - intrinsically and to them. good luck there, sunshine

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 2:25:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mastr4BustySluut quote: ORIGINAL: Master1170 If a slave looses a certain competition, does this makes her a bad slave or the other the better slave? Well, Yes. It shows which is the stronger, more athletic slave. If one has a couple of slaves it can let the loser know that she is even inferior to her sister slave and make her even more submissive which I see as a good thing. this is the type of mentality and attitude of a domly ego trip i was hinting about.

Icarys -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 3:05:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Maybe I misunderstood the intent of the OP, but I interpreted his request to be sort of a sub "olympics" type thing, with games and fun, not a contest for Miss Slavilicious 2009 [;)] I think a day or evening of fun games like, in all seriousness, loaded tray relay races, where no one is deemed better than everyone else, more subbly, more slavely or anything like that, just some fun and games, would be a lot of fun. And maybe the winners could be made to serve everyone else present for refreshments, something like that. But a contest to decide that anyone is a better sub or slave than anyone else, noooo, I don't like that idea. I'm pretty confident that was what he meant by his post.

DesFIP -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 3:55:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Master1170 Why not, LuckyAlbatross? Although I'm not LA, I can tell you why I wouldn't find this at all a set up leading to a good outcome. I'm not competitive. I also don't like to win over people and I don't like being set up to lose. No matter how this works out, it would be emotionally destructive to me. The odds are I would lose and I would take him putting me in a situation where I was going to lose personally. I would be angry and resentful. If I won, I would feel bad that everyone else resented me for winning and I would feel bad because they would feel badly at losing. For me, this is a lose/lose situation guaranteed to upset me and create distance between us, not strengthen the relationship. And since he would know ahead of time that it would do this, I could only conclude that he wanted the relationship to end and was doing this to get me to end it. At which point, I would probably offer to help him pack and not do waste my time in something so destructive to my well being.

Icarys -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 5:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: Master1170 Why not, LuckyAlbatross? Although I'm not LA, I can tell you why I wouldn't find this at all a set up leading to a good outcome. I'm not competitive. I also don't like to win over people and I don't like being set up to lose. No matter how this works out, it would be emotionally destructive to me. The odds are I would lose and I would take him putting me in a situation where I was going to lose personally. I would be angry and resentful. If I won, I would feel bad that everyone else resented me for winning and I would feel bad because they would feel badly at losing. For me, this is a lose/lose situation guaranteed to upset me and create distance between us, not strengthen the relationship. And since he would know ahead of time that it would do this, I could only conclude that he wanted the relationship to end and was doing this to get me to end it. At which point, I would probably offer to help him pack and not do waste my time in something so destructive to my well being. If your relationship is so fragile it can't take the embarrassment of playing a game for fun, you've got bigger problems Some of you have went right to the most negative possibility and outcome for what he has proposed.

hopelessfool -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 5:18:17 PM)
Icarys ive seen these games and ususally they end up with one or more girls needing to go to the hosptial. Mostly because in many cases like with myself i simply care so much about pleasing my sir i push myself way to far. In every case of such games ive needed multiple stitches, as have many of the competition. Its nothing about being fragile, its about you IDIOTS, not realizing your not makeing a game your fucking with peoples mentalilites, And in turn messing not only with them phyically but emotionally and mentally. I live for the postive affection of a good girl or job well done. I know many people in the life who are the same way. Setting me up to get my self harmed just doesnt sound all that fun and entertaining. Because i literally shut off all the you cant do this until i get told i was a good girl. ETA: Also what i find slightly amusing is only Male doms are saying yes lets do this it sounds fun, while all the women are saying God these guys are about hunter green in a pack of neon crayons.....

SimplyMichael -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 5:21:28 PM)
Icarys, And you? Would you like the embarrassment of owning the slave that is a loser? Somehow I doubt you would take it well. I would assume that you want to be as proud of your women as they are of you, I certainly feel that way about mine. I have seen slave competitions done fairly well in large venues, there is an event in SF called "Master's Den" which while not in line with my view of things is entertaining. The women are all their to serve the men in general (the reality is the women run the event for their own amusement but don't tell anyone) and in that venue, losing in a crowd has a sense of anonymity to it that changes things. They had a couple of slave kneeling things and some other stuff, all pretty harmless and mostly going to whomever had the thinnest body or biggest tits. However, in a smaller venue, wining and losing becomes much more personal because you know everyone involved and have frequent contact. I still think it would be fun but would require some genuine forethought, something us knuckle dragging doms often lack. Things that have no value like who could lick the most water out of a bowl (with the obvious implications) and yet who really cares who wins and loses. Or perhaps who could do the most ostentatious and over the top serving of a drink to her uber master. Another might be some things that are a bit more meaningful but each time there is a winner, that winner is out so everyone wins and the last two instead of competing have to do something outrageous together, perhaps each doing a service for the other's partner or perhaps to each other, plenty of room to come up with something. Or, flip the whole thing on its head and make the winner have to do something that takes away from winning, some form of negative prize so that the last person "wins" by escaping having to do it. Of course any of this would have revolted me when I first came on the scene as it wasn't "serious" and I was one of those who rejected the word "play" because "my god what I did was special and wasn't just mere play"...and the rest of that happy horseshit. BSB has been slowly trying to splice in a "fun" gene into me but the above to me would only work with the sort of friends I could laugh anything away anyways.

Icarys -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 5:25:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hopelessfool Icarys ive seen these games and ususally they end up with one or more girls needing to go to the hosptial. Mostly because in many cases like with myself i simply care so much about pleasing my sir i push myself way to far. In every case of such games ive needed multiple stitches, as have many of the competition. Its nothing about being fragile, its about you IDIOTS, not realizing your not makeing a game your fucking with peoples mentalilites, And in turn messing not only with them phyically but emotionally and mentally. I live for the postive affection of a good girl or job well done. I know many people in the life who are the same way. Setting me up to get my self harmed just doesnt sound all that fun and entertaining. Because i literally shut off all the you cant do this until i get told i was a good girl. Where adults are involved, I've never heard of anything bad happening. What if it was a game of cards..since he hasn't declared what type of games I think it's pretty stupid for you and others to assume the worst.

Icarys -> RE: slave Competition (11/28/2008 5:27:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Icarys, And you? Would you like the embarrassment of owning the slave that is a loser? Somehow I doubt you would take it well. I would assume that you want to be as proud of your women as they are of you, I certainly feel that way about mine. I have seen slave competitions done fairly well in large venues, there is an event in SF called "Master's Den" which while not in line with my view of things is entertaining. The women are all their to serve the men in general (the reality is the women run the event for their own amusement but don't tell anyone) and in that venue, losing in a crowd has a sense of anonymity to it that changes things. They had a couple of slave kneeling things and some other stuff, all pretty harmless and mostly going to whomever had the thinnest body or biggest tits. However, in a smaller venue, wining and losing becomes much more personal because you know everyone involved and have frequent contact. I still think it would be fun but would require some genuine forethought, something us knuckle dragging doms often lack. Things that have no value like who could lick the most water out of a bowl (with the obvious implications) and yet who really cares who wins and loses. Or perhaps who could do the most ostentatious and over the top serving of a drink to her uber master. Another might be some things that are a bit more meaningful but each time there is a winner, that winner is out so everyone wins and the last two instead of competing have to do something outrageous together, perhaps each doing a service for the other's partner or perhaps to each other, plenty of room to come up with something. Or, flip the whole thing on its head and make the winner have to do something that takes away from winning, some form of negative prize so that the last person "wins" by escaping having to do it. Of course any of this would have revolted me when I first came on the scene as it wasn't "serious" and I was one of those who rejected the word "play" because "my god what I did was special and wasn't just mere play"...and the rest of that happy horseshit. BSB has been slowly trying to splice in a "fun" gene into me but the above to me would only work with the sort of friends I could laugh anything away anyways. Believe it or not Michael, since it's in the spirit of fun, I would pat her on the back for giving it her best.

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