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RE: website modeling - 11/28/2008 4:29:43 PM   
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RE: website modeling - 11/28/2008 6:44:59 PM   
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Hi Folks,

I was visiting a friend last night, so didn't see this thread till now.

The long and the short is that while there are certainly many women applying to work for kink.com, there's often a shortage of models who meet all of the criteria:

a) appearance - after all, it is a porn website)

b) experience on camera - a porn shoot is still a shoot, and it can be demanding for directors to work with a girl who's never been in front of a camera before

c) flexibility - a girl who's willing to be on camera, but only if her face is hidden, or a girl who doesn't want to be touched below the waist, or a girl who isn't comfortable with bondage (for example) would all result in a lackluster shoot.  Girls who have a list of fifty "I don't dos...." just aren't appealing to directors.  On the flip side, a girl 'willing' to do certain things, but clearly has no interest or enthusiasm for the activity isn't desirable either.  The best thing is for a model to be honest about her limits and interests, and see if things match up.

d) attitude - a girl who comes off as a diva or is flaky gets little work up front, and gets less work later because the industry is relatively small.  Most everyone knows everyone; I know plenty of girls who just don't get booked because they have poor attitudes and, ironically, they constantly complain about how little work there is.  If you're a Pain In The Ass, nobody's going to tell you to your face.

Kink.com does list there rates on their webpage, as well as a form to use to apply as a model for someone intrepid enough to go looking.  The rates are relatively standard in the industry; in LA, a typical boy-girl mainstream video scene pays between $800-$1000 (yes, even for an unknown.)  Kink pays slightly less, but they foot the bill for your expenses including airfare and AIM test if one is needed, standard for any shoots that include fluid exchange (bg/gg shoots). 

Different companies pay different ways; kink.com cuts a payroll check on the spot after the shoot is completed.  Some companies pay via payroll (including tax witholdings depending on the company) and can take up to two weeks to pay.  charlotte's only been paid in cash once during her career.

As for being 'slutty'; in my experience, a girl's attitude (showing up on time, smiling, being friendly, being professional) is far more important than any overt expressions of sexuality.  While it should go without saying that many adult models are highly sexual people, a girl who acts like a brazen slut off camera is often not accorded the same degree of respect as those who approach their shoots professionally.  This is, of course, just my experience.

As I mentioned to treleon in private, kink.com does book girls who are new to the industry, but usually not for The Training of O.  TTOO is a long, demanding, and complicated shoot, and they prefer to work with girls who have shot for other kink.com sites and have established a good reputation.  Charlotte, as a newcomer to fetish videos, started doing shoots with Device Bondage before she did any other shoots.  A girl who's been doing mainstream porn already might also be cast for Sex and Submission, Whipped Ass, or Wired Pussy before moving on to TTOO. 

I think that covers the bases.  I'm happy to field any other questions here, or privately.

Regards,

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RE: website modeling - 11/28/2008 7:03:42 PM   
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Thanks for both this post and your private message Stephan, definitely helpful. As for the points you mentioned above... well I am biased about my girl's appearance, of course I think she's beautiful :). But as far as flexibility and attitude, I think she'd be great. She's not a diva, and I've found her to have pretty much no limits. I think her only problem is being new so I will tell her she will have  to do some other things before she can do TTOO, which I'm pretty sure she'd be more than willing to do because like I said, she seems really excited.

I really appreciate all the help and advice and also for being willing to message me privately about this. Once she gets back home I'll talk to her about this and if I have any questions, I'll ask you guys in private. Thanks again.

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RE: website modeling - 11/28/2008 10:30:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: trealeon

Recently (before I joined collarme), my girl came to me very excited about the prospect of applying to be on one of those porn websites. She wants to apply to kink.com and she's specifically interested in being in something like the Training of O and things like that.

I really don't know much about it because (surprisingly) I don't really watch online porn, though I went to the sites with her to see what she was talking about and she even showed me where "models" could apply, how they got paid and even how their travel expenses were paid.

I didn't really think anything of it then, but I figured since I was here now, I could ask to see if others had done anything like this or knew of anyone who had and what their experience was. I didn't give her a definitive answer on it except to say that if she did, I would want to be there with her and I'd like to know more about it before I do.


i know that when i mentioned to master my wanting to be on Twisted factories sex and submission he said only if he was doing it with me because he dont share but i havnt gotten to discuss it more with him since so yea.

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RE: website modeling - 11/28/2008 10:43:32 PM   
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Industry standard rate for an unknown to do a one day shoot be it video and/or stills is $500. 


Men? Or women only?

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 12:49:50 PM   
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Just for sake of argument, my profile photo that you speak of was taken with a Canon Powershot A590IS with a 4x optical zoom and 8.0 megapixels and is probably the best "pocket rocket" you can by for under $200.00.
I use this camera 24/7 to find and build on concepts and ideas that I might use later on.

The photo was taken for much the same reason that yours was taken with your tie, to convey, in a general sense, what I look like for my profile.
It was also taken, from behind the counter at my business by an employee of my company.
I really was not concerned at the time with looking like a model, nor the content of the photo from a professional standpoint and I have recieved emails from  various females on CM saying that they were writing to say they liked my PROFILE PHOTO because it was real and DIDN'T HAVE APPENDAGES IN IT AND DIDN'T LOOK STAGED.
I guess that in itself, is good enough for me.

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 1:07:41 PM   
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Thank you sir,
you are absolutly correct, my work speaks for me, I do not need nor want to have a discussion on whether I used the correct camera angle, ISO setting, SD CARD or any other criteria involving my profile photo.
Thats like trying to have a serious clinical discussion on the political and social ramifications of comic books, LOL.

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 2:42:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ultimateteach

It was also taken, from behind the counter at my business by an employee of my company.



Well that explains it rather succinctly.

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 3:46:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pompeii

Men? Or women only?



I don't think it'd be too shocking to learn that straight male talent are paid a very different rate than women.  There's a handful of about 100-150 men who appear in 90% of mainstream adult videos.  The starting rate is around $250 a scene for someone new to the industry, with a high end of $600.  The cream of the crop do make around $800-$1000 per scene, but put together there wouldn't be enough guys for a game of football.

The real money for men (and women) is in directing and producing.  That's why so few men stay 'just' talent over the long run.

Stephan


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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 7:12:11 PM   
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For sake of discussion, might anyone know of sites that are based in the LA,Cali area?
While kink.com will pay for accommodations, I would be more interested in local opportunities,that could be more frequent for me.

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 8:00:36 PM   
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I don't know about LA but I see people are curious so here are 2 places to get you started. 

Model listings
http://www.sexyjobs.com/

Score Group, they produce videos and magazines in Miami, Florida.
http://www.scoregroup.com/
http://www.scoreland.com/magazines.php?nats=OTU4MTo5OjI,0,0,0,0

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 8:03:19 PM   
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When on sites like that, watch out for the dreaded "Guy with Camera" ... just a random horney dude who'll tell you he can get you big bucks if only you'll model for him. Pimps will also look for prospective girls on modeling sites, not too often, but I get bothered by them every once in a while. If you aren't looking for that particular angle on things, just keep an eye out. 

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 8:08:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
When on sites like that, watch out for the dreaded "Guy with Camera" ... just a random horney dude who'll tell you he can get you big bucks if only you'll model for him. Pimps will also look for prospective girls on modeling sites, not too often, but I get bothered by them every once in a while. If you aren't looking for that particular angle on things, just keep an eye out. 

Good advice.  There is always a "Guy with Camera" and the modeling sites serve 2 purposes.  One is for photoshoots and the other for escorts.  Whether you are getting paid to fuck or getting paid to fuck on film, I don’t see much difference other than the safety factor of a camera crew on hand.  A top notch escort can fetch as much or more than an adult film actresses.

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 8:22:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
When on sites like that, watch out for the dreaded "Guy with Camera" ... just a random horney dude who'll tell you he can get you big bucks if only you'll model for him. Pimps will also look for prospective girls on modeling sites, not too often, but I get bothered by them every once in a while. If you aren't looking for that particular angle on things, just keep an eye out. 

Good advice.  There is always a "Guy with Camera" and the modeling sites serve 2 purposes.  One is for photoshoots and the other for escorts.  Whether you are getting paid to fuck or getting paid to fuck on film, I don’t see much difference other than the safety factor of a camera crew on hand.  A top notch escort can fetch as much or more than an adult film actresses.


I'd say more- more opportunities to get a job. And there's lots of differences, and reasons why they should both be legal, but that's a rant for another thread.


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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 11:22:28 PM   
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Whether you are getting paid to fuck or getting paid to fuck on film, I don’t see much difference


As you alluded to, while prostitution is legal in most of the civilized world, here in the US of A, you can legally fuck a woman in front of a camera and pay her for her troubles (as long as the money was for the film and not for the sex); yet you can't perform the exact same act legally without the camera.

Shows you how idiotic our puritanical legal system is.

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RE: website modeling - 11/29/2008 11:42:59 PM   
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It is legal in some parts of Nevada.  I went on a brothel tour which was pretty interesting; the particular brothel I visited was not a cheap one.  Prostitution is pretty well regulated there from what I understand, shrug.

They had a dungeon room which was pretty unimpressive, IIRC it was $500 an hour and that was several years ago.

They had private bungalows which were $10k per night, including one girl, (but came with free bar and room service). 


< Message edited by moonvine -- 11/29/2008 11:48:32 PM >

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RE: website modeling - 11/30/2008 1:34:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
When on sites like that, watch out for the dreaded "Guy with Camera" ... just a random horney dude who'll tell you he can get you big bucks if only you'll model for him. Pimps will also look for prospective girls on modeling sites, not too often, but I get bothered by them every once in a while. If you aren't looking for that particular angle on things, just keep an eye out. 

Good advice.  There is always a "Guy with Camera" and the modeling sites serve 2 purposes.  One is for photoshoots and the other for escorts.  Whether you are getting paid to fuck or getting paid to fuck on film, I don’t see much difference other than the safety factor of a camera crew on hand.  A top notch escort can fetch as much or more than an adult film actresses.


I'd say more- more opportunities to get a job. And there's lots of differences, and reasons why they should both be legal, but that's a rant for another thread.


If you ever start that thread, let me know.  I'll help you up on the soapbox and it won't just be so I can look up your skirt! 

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