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painpup -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 6:38:04 PM)
well loving pet i have a payforward personality around this time of the Year i do donate food and goods to the truly needy its a part of my upbringing ohh and the stuff i do donate doesn't come from Wallmart or SAM's

Lynnxz -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 6:39:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: painpup well loving pet i have a payforward personality around this time of the Year i do donate food and goods to the truly needy its a part of my upbringing ohh and the stuff i do donate doesn't come from Wallmart or SAM's Sweet, you donate at christmas time... They get a canned chicken and some beans. What do they do in July when people aren't as generous?

faithbunny -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 7:29:31 PM)
I shop at WalMart from time to time because, with the hours I work, I shop at the places available to me during the hours I can get out to a store. The bottom line, as I see it, is that, based on similar occurrences at past major sales events at various stores throughout the country, WalMart either knew, or should have known, that this could happen. Therefore, I think they are quite liable for creating the conditions which led directly to the death of their employee. Most certainly, if it can be discovered who some of the tramplers were, they should certainly be held accountable legally and civilly as well, but WalMart set up that house of cards, and they deserve to pay whatever settlement the victims and their families can get out of a jury. I wonder if Congress will jump in now to regulate these 'doorbuster' sales, where only a few of the sale items are available, to prevent this sort of thing in future. I'm not usually a fan of the government regulating everything, but in this case, when neither the retailers nor consumers are behaving responsibly, perhaps it's necessary. ~faith

handmaid -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 7:30:33 PM)
Does anybody know whether the store resumed trading after the 'incident', or whether they stayed closed (the decent thing to do)?

lucyNEEDSaDaddy -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 7:31:40 PM)
they stayed closed until 1 or 2 pm then re-opened. people refused to leave the store and kept trying to shop!

handmaid -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 7:34:56 PM)
I read someone that sales were cheap, but that human lives were even cheaper.

lucyNEEDSaDaddy -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 7:36:51 PM)
its pretty sad

painpup -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/29/2008 8:51:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz quote: ORIGINAL: painpup well loving pet i have a payforward personality around this time of the Year i do donate food and goods to the truly needy its a part of my upbringing ohh and the stuff i do donate doesn't come from Wallmart or SAM's Sweet, you donate at christmas time... They get a canned chicken and some beans. What do they do in July when people aren't as generous? no its about payforward all Year and its not canned chicken and or beans charity begins at home You know? perhaps You couldget a lil band together and try it who knows what might start

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/30/2008 1:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: faithbunny I shop at WalMart from time to time because, with the hours I work, I shop at the places available to me during the hours I can get out to a store. The bottom line, as I see it, is that, based on similar occurrences at past major sales events at various stores throughout the country, WalMart either knew, or should have known, that this could happen. Therefore, I think they are quite liable for creating the conditions which led directly to the death of their employee. Most certainly, if it can be discovered who some of the tramplers were, they should certainly be held accountable legally and civilly as well, but WalMart set up that house of cards, and they deserve to pay whatever settlement the victims and their families can get out of a jury. I wonder if Congress will jump in now to regulate these 'doorbuster' sales, where only a few of the sale items are available, to prevent this sort of thing in future. I'm not usually a fan of the government regulating everything, but in this case, when neither the retailers nor consumers are behaving responsibly, perhaps it's necessary. ~faith Did you watch that youtube clip? I realize it requires some dedication, but then, most worthwhile things do.

Termyn8or -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (11/30/2008 6:13:00 PM)
I just had an argument with the olman about this. I asserted that I didn't care if they had new Rolls Royces for a dollar apiece, it was still the fault of the people. The mob. People who are human beings of normal sensibility, if they step on a human body they will look down and say something like "Oh shit, are you OK ?". Is the herd of sheeple getting to the point where we have to put up fences and corridors made of fences to keep them in single file, like at a slaughterhouse ? Say it ain't so Joe. That is my point and I ain't coming off of it. Period. I am not a sheep or a cow. If you think it is alright for people to behave so, please go find some primitive tribe to live with somewhere, this behavior is not acceptable in our supposedly advanced human society. It is time to stop lowering our standards, if we don't stop this trend we will be treated like cattle. Is that what you want ? They will be forced to do it if such incidents keep recurring. People will win million dollar judgements for thinking their cup of coffee is not hot, oh wait, that has already happened. I have no love for McD's, but that was a travesty of tort law if I ever saw one. T

RainydayNE -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (12/1/2008 3:01:48 AM)
i don't believe that walmart was at any fault, i believe it was the nimrods in the mob who did the actual trampling who are at fault certainly you KNOW you're stepping on a person's body walking on a body doesn't feel like tile floor and then what... the customer who whined "i've been standing in line since yesterday!" when the store closed because they'd KILLED this guy i don't care how cheap a DVD player is, it isn't worth turning into a rhinocerous and going stampeding. humans should have the ability to remain humans at all times. what is so wrong with being an adult? why do we always have to blame someone else? walmart had a sale. period. the people who wigged out and stampeded were the real problem. in that same vein, toys r us had a sale, period. they had no idea anyone was going to get shot over some stupid toy. there is something wrong with humans beings. when you can be that callous to the fact that you've just caused someone's death, and then this death is an INCONVENIENCE to you? black friday is one of the worst things going, as far as i'm concerned. insane levels of commercialism/materialism/whatever

BlackPhx -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (12/1/2008 11:26:16 AM)
There is liability for the temp agency that supplied the worker who was trampled. he was not a regular employee of Wal-mart. In 1978 one of the first examples that hit the news of this type of crowd behavior occurred over those Hideously Ugly Cabbage Patch kids. But this type of phenomena has been occurring for many years..in Russia at one point for food, in the US for goods. You name it. It is such a common phenomenon that Comedians include it in their acts around this time ( "Some of those wimmen have done TIME" comes to mind), Comic Strip artists include it in their strips...and even the Miracle on 34th Street has such a scene in it. There are many reasons stores don't have the quantities on hand to satisfy all customers and prevent such occurrences and the first is the Manufacturer for whatever reason doesn't deliver the items on time or in the quantities needed. Whether it doesn't make it through customs on time, get shipped on time, defectives have taken a number off the line, etc. If the store doesn't receive it on time, there is nothing they can really do. No one wants to take the rainchecks for something they have no idea of an arrival date for. The LEAD time however on ads to be inserted in newspapers is a lot more than people expect. Newspapers start taking Christmas ads in September..long before a store can say there is going to be no delay or shortfall in product. Some stores do use a ticket system, giving people numbers outside that ensures you have a ticket for the number of items they have in stock that you are purchasing. Some will actually mark what you are picking up and you are directed to a specific area to pick it up. Some do presales if you are signed up on their web site allowing you to pick up at the store but order it at the sale price online. Some will do ques for specific items and limit quantities. Some hire off duty police officers and security teams from Sporting events to do crowd control. The biggest liability lies with the manufacturer for shortfalls. They ultimately are the ones who make a demand for the item. Cabbage Patch kids would have been nothing but another doll if the marketing arm of the Manufacturer had not built a strong demand for the toy. The same goes for the iPod and the iPhone when they were released..and they were released in limited quantities. After driving up demand for the items with hype, they kept that demand high with limited releases. They knew to nearly the last person what the first rush was going to look like and didn't have the product to ship. Yes they eventually caught up with demand, but how long before iPhones, PSP3 and Xbox dropped in prices and lines were not wrapped around the block twice. Walmart closes it's doors (even the 24 hour stores) to get ready for these sales. Stock is moved up from the back and placed on shelves, counts are made and adjusted in the computer, employees briefed and cash registered readied during the several hours they are closed. They will probably bear some liability for the death and injuries, but it will be limited. The manufacturer will bear none, the temp agency will pay out some benefits as they are insured and insure their employees, but it is highly doubtful that even with the security footage anyone will be brought to court over the death. Even if everyone up front tried to avoid trampling the worker, the crush of people rushing to get in from the back would have still pushed them over him. I hope that maybe Walmart and other companies will learn from this tragedy and put crowd control methods in place. poenkitten

DesFIP -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (12/1/2008 12:20:12 PM)
This was entirely preventable. I believe Best Buy on Black Friday issues tickets for the highly sought after items. A store employee walks down the line right before opening the doors asking each person what they are looking for; if there are 25 plasma tvs then the first 25 people who ask for that get the ticket. And so on with all the other rare items. Plus one ticket per customer. No use pushing because it won't get you anything, without the ticket you don't get it.

Lynnxz -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (12/1/2008 12:34:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP This was entirely preventable. I believe Best Buy on Black Friday issues tickets for the highly sought after items. A store employee walks down the line right before opening the doors asking each person what they are looking for; if there are 25 plasma tvs then the first 25 people who ask for that get the ticket. And so on with all the other rare items. Plus one ticket per customer. No use pushing because it won't get you anything, without the ticket you don't get it. I think Best Buy has a great approach to black friday. Their lines are always calm when you see them on the news, just a bunch of people sitting in chairs with hot chocolate. [:D] There's a brilliant post over in the gor forum that advocates shooting into the crowd to protect the employee.... wow.

kittinSol -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (12/1/2008 12:39:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz There's a brilliant post over in the gor forum that advocates shooting into the crowd to protect the employee.... wow. Just saw that... wow, just wow [>:] .

Termyn8or -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (12/1/2008 8:20:53 PM)
Do you realize that this is advocating treating people like cattle, or at least considering them so ? So they make a rule, no lines. Then people will have a demolition derby in the parking lot. Don't let them in the parking lot early and they will probably block traffic for miles. Is anyone seeing the big picture here ? This is what the masses have become, materialism is more important than life. Get it through your head that you will never get it through my head. And what are people like this teaching their kids ? Speaking of kids, compare this incident to a fire drill in a school. They are taught to evacuate the building in an orderly fashion, so as to avoid injuries, and this is expected of them even if their lives really are in danger ! What does that tell you ? I mean it. These were supposedly adults, and there were no flames licking their buttocks. This all happened over stupid ass TVs and junk like that. What does that tell you ? In light of the greater meaning of this incident, I think discussing who should get sued is quite shallow. If I owned that store I would have probably let the people in, like the first hoard, and then lock it down as if it was a robbery. Let the police round them up and take them all to jail. Just animals, that's what they are. I don't pussyfoot around. If you are unable to discern stepping on a body vs stepping on a tile floor, even with the heartiest of work boots on, you are not in complete control of your faculties. Period. T

Lynnxz -> RE: Black Friday Death at Wal-Mart (12/1/2008 8:51:05 PM)
Thing is, the people who were stepping on him were probably being shoved forward by the people in back. Does it make it any less horrible? No, but I doubt people were willingly crushing someone.

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