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Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 7:52:18 AM

VampiresLair

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I posted something along these lines on FetLife, but I am curious to get some answers here as well.
Fetish photography is pretty simple. When you have a fetish you know cut and dry what you want to see. High heel fetish doesnt have ton of wiggle room on subject matter, just on prop decision. Same with my collar fetish.

However, erotic imagery is very subjective. What I see as hot might not do anything for someone else.
So, I am curious, what do you see as erotic.

For me, suggestive is erotic. I do not really find naked genitals erotic most of the time, but hinted nudity can be. Bondage can be, too, when it is not so tight the person looks in pain. And interactions between people that leave you wondering what goes on after the photographer puts down the camera definitely trip my trigger.
Most of the time when I ask this question the responses back tend toward the female shape, which is all well and good. I have a male model, so those ideas do not help me much.

So, what about everyone else?

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 7:59:51 AM

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One of the most erotic photos I ever saw was two men standing together, both facing the same way, one leaning on the other with his head slightly turned as if he was totally trusting. I'm not gay, but I could see the strong feeling between the two.

I agree - suggestive is often more erotic than something overt. However, I have read that this is typically a gender based feeling - that men tend to like to see something more precise. I like to let my imagination run. The profile photos I enjoy the most here are the women leaning against the men and the man's arms crossed over her breasts. In my mind I can see the ownership, the pride, her melting into the submission.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:05:35 AM

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If it's a male subject alone, a flexed calf, a strong shoulder, large hands touching something small (a small flower, with just the flower in color). If you want to add some of yourself, then your delicate hand on the small of his back, his cheek pressed to your feet, his head on your knees with your hand resting on his head.

And there is always the butt. Round, flexed, not flexed, in silhouette, in the rain... is it getting hot in here?

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:09:45 AM

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Erotic is so subjective, it's really a matter of taste. When you frame it around a fetish, though, it gets more specific depending on said fetish. The only example I could think of to meet your criteria was French photographers Pierre et Gilles: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Pierre+et+Gilles&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

I find their stuff highly erotic. I have a bit of a thing for religion, one of their recurring themes. I like how they take cultural archetypes and sexualize them, it's erotic because it's lush and multi-layered.

What kind of erotic imagery do you like?

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:15:45 AM

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There IS no criteria. Thats the point. I am gathering ideas from others who likely do NOT share my vision of erotic. It broadens the range of images I can create when I see things differently.
Fetishes nonwithstanding, I am hoping to find something that is less restrictive. My interest in collars, for instance, opens up a LOT of ideas, however not everyone would find those types of images erotic if they have no interest in or are even turned off by collars. Some people find french maids outfits highly erotic and stimulating, they are a hard limit of ine and a complete turn off. Those are fetishes though.
In general, what images are erotic in nature so that even possibly a vanilla person could look at them and think *damn*

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:18:47 AM

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Usually the stuff that connotes "slave". Collars, leashes, kneeling, crawling, cuffs, chained to a wall by the neck, all mixed with a variety of different styles of clothing that have been associated over the years with "slave". Symbolic actions such as kissing a man's hand while kneeling or curling a head up against a leg while lying on the floor, as well.

This is one of the reasons I always feel a bit awkward around the majority of kinksters who are into S/M. Pain and torture related imagery does absolutely nothing for me. I hate it when people shove their photography in my face or show off their pictures of all their bruises, cuts, clothespins whatever. I feel like I am supposed to say something, but usually all I can manage is a "Cool" or "That's nice."

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:22:24 AM

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quote:

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Pain and torture related imagery does absolutely nothing for me. I hate it when people shove their photography in my face or show off their pictures of all their bruises, cuts, clothespins whatever. I feel like I am supposed to say something, but usually all I can manage is a "Cool" or "That's nice."

I agree. I find things like that are easy to capture, but there is nothing artistic or alluring about it.
It is easy to find imagery that is submissive, not so much imagery that is Dominant. Props help, but there are a few very overused poses and that's about it.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:22:49 AM

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I forgot to mention water. Outdoors, images that appear as if the person doesn't know you're there. Meaning it doesn't look posed. Standing under a waterfall, floating in a pool, that sort of thing.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:23:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

There IS no criteria. Thats the point. I am gathering ideas from others who likely do NOT share my vision of erotic. It broadens the range of images I can create when I see things differently.
Fetishes nonwithstanding, I am hoping to find something that is less restrictive. My interest in collars, for instance, opens up a LOT of ideas, however not everyone would find those types of images erotic if they have no interest in or are even turned off by collars. Some people find french maids outfits highly erotic and stimulating, they are a hard limit of ine and a complete turn off. Those are fetishes though.
In general, what images are erotic in nature so that even possibly a vanilla person could look at them and think *damn*

DV

I think even a vanilla person would find erotic a picture of a beautiful man or woman naked, except for a collar. Maybe you could make collars erotic to vanilla people! I'm just being silly, btw, my two cent's worth and whatnot.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 9:09:15 AM

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For me, as a professional BDSM photographer/videographer the most provocative photos are those that are not posed.
Now equipment, props, lighting etc, not - withstanding, there is something to be said for the softness in the curve of the lower back, setting up the camera to show the dreamlike, downy blond hair on the top of the butt cheek, the sillouette of the Figure 8 shape between a womans thighs as seen from the rear, SO HOT !

The most important part of what I do has less to do with the actual photos as it does how well I understand my subject.
I am talking about knowing what makes you, well..........you and revealing that look or motion that makes you unique and not just another face in the crowd.
Can I catch her vulnerability, the submission in her eye, the strength in the shot that makes the 2 people seem as 1 powerful force, the whitest skin against the brightest colors, contrasts of the most beautiful male loving and nuturing the ugly Betty so to speak, or vice versa.

To show submissives and slaves at thier most powerful moment, when the tear just falls from the eye, the look on the face at the exact moment of total pleasure or extreme pain, actually with this, I could show you the 2 photos side by side and you would be hard pressed to tell them apart.
Thats the ultimate photo for me.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 9:36:19 AM

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Are images of Dominant women and submissive men not as erotic as their counterparts? Most of the feedback I have gotten on both discussion focus on the eroticism of the submissive female, or the strong Dominant male.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 9:43:10 AM

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Beauty or in this case, Erotic Beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. My Fetish is Latex/rubber. To me there is nothing hotter than seeing a Domme in shiny latex. With 2nd place being a sub clad in latex at the Domm'e mercy.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 9:48:35 AM

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You will find that people's impressions will vary greatly and (although they will tell you this at first thought) it isn't really about how explicit it is at all. People use "erotic" when they feel an image speaks to them on more than just the carnal level. Many will say that it's implied suggestion that makes for such a shot because it forces the photographer to arouse specifically without the use of visible genitals, but it's not a necessary modus operandi. The quality, intimacy, energy and genuine-ness of a shot will push people to say "erotic" rather than "pornographic" when, in reality, the subject of the image could be the same. But, then again, "porn" is such a maligned word...and there can be crossover images that aptly fit as both.

And then, as we've seen, the final touch changes with each individual perceiver's personal preferences.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 9:48:39 AM

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I love this question!

Mostly because once a year I write a letter to myself a year from then, and detail these within it. Eroticism has changed dramatically for me over the years that I've known what it was (and hence included it in these letters).

Now? There are a mix of things that I find erotic and there are the two different types of 'erotic' quite easily seen in these. In romantic eroticism I don't place any value on the gender/sex of the person/people involved. In purely sexual desire eroticism I find its much easier to find a male, or multiple male, subjects appealing, though there HAVE been photographs and images of females that piqued this same place.

With a single male subject?

One of the things I find as my biggest turn ons is introspection and intelligence. A man (in any stage of dress or undress) in an off-center position either looking into the distance with a relaxed posture (which is a very neutral position), or even looking, seriously, at something in his hands, like a collar or some other impliment (which is slightly more fetishized) or something similar is something that would instantly trigger that romantic eroticism.

Sexual eroticism for me is triggered less by seeing what my 'ultimate desire' is (the cock) and more by being 'cheated' and left wanting it, feeling bothered, etc. A little bit of cheekiness (a smirk, for instance) always increases it. For instance that age-old cliche of a man standing facing away from the camera, but looking over his shoulder at it with a smirk... despite the fact that I recognize it as a cliche, I still really like it! I imagine there are other ways to achieve it as well (for instance sitting naked in a chair, tilted slightly to the side and smiling *that* sort of smile) that are likely less cliche, but if a cliche works, it works, so it's hard to think about them. A more fetishized sexual eroticism for me is also achieved with empathy for the subject... such as having a riding crop hitting the buttocks and taking a picture at that moment (though the same effect can be achieved by someone holding the crop out-of-frame and applying a little pressure. Much easier, that) or something similar. My major kink is pain

But I think one of the better examples is *actually* a picture of your fox... the one of him with a collar and chains draped on what seems to be a statue of some sort that he was using as an avatar for the forums on one of your guys' accounts. I find pictures like that... a much more appealing eroticism of fetish and kink. They're simple, but effective (and it instantly endeared me to both of you, which was before I knew that silkenfire knew you and thought highly of you as well)

There's a ton of positions I would love to see, and a ton that I have seen that I thought were really well done.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 9:59:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

You will find that people's impressions will vary greatly
And then, as we've seen, the final touch changes with each individual perceiver's personal preferences.

Exactly why this conversation exists. AS a photographer, not everyone is going to want to see simply my idea of erotic. I am hoping to figure out what other people would appreciate, to vary my subject matter. Fox is game, and willing to shoot pictures of me as well as be shot. I am hoping to learn about other perspectives and ideas, so I can try and broaden my horizons. For all I know, someone elses ideas might become something I love.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 10:13:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: VampiresLair

I am hoping to figure out what other people would appreciate, to vary my subject matter.

Sometimes we don't know until we see it.

To add a personal preference of my own:
Aeric Meredith-Goujon
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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 11:04:05 AM

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To me, any image of an adoringly docile sub, on her knees, appearing to lap at her Master of the moment, tugging at her leash just for the opportunity, with those orbs of pleasure hanging down, those cheeks of softness offered high, perhaps a flogger planted in her ass dangling forth, and those lips of moisture glistening wide for the Master ... now THAT is alluringly erotic imagery!

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 11:56:40 AM

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I think a lot is based on personal preference, but there are some non-sexual male-type things that push all my buttons in photos, some of them slightly suggestive and others not so much. There are things I find really, really sensual. A random listing --

* Wet hair. I like water in general, but photography that captures moisture in hair can be very, very hot. Same goes with eyelashes, which is an entirely different thing too - photos that show eyelashes, or show emotions that come from eyelashes. That can come from where someone is looking, or looking down, or how light affects the shot.

* Positions suggestive of bondage, but not bondage. Sitting with wrists together, or hanging from beams above, or hands on top of the head with fingers intertwined, hands behind the back. Wrists crossed, that kind of thing. The same goes for eyes covered or mouth covered - not in a bondage sense, but in a casual way, with clothing or hands.

* Expressions that show a subtle hint of surrender, vulnerability, fear, conflict or any other wide range of kinky suggestive moods....

* With actual restraints, I like things that are not super stylized bondage - ie, instead of leather shackles, use ratty cloths, strips of fabric, scarves, duct tape. I love to see subtle things that show resistance or conflict: fingers or teeth digging into knots to loosen them, eyes closed in concentration, etc.

I could go on and on. I've put a lot of thought into this and...err..directing models in self-portraits :)

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 4:28:44 PM

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I haven't found much out there that I find interesting as a femdom because it seems most is geared for the submissive male. The perfectly dressed dominant in all the gear with boots and whip. Give me a break. How about taking things to a more real place? Like most pictures are coming from that place where many focus on getting to. How about a starting place? Like what most lifesyle dominant's do before that ever amazing and sexually charged perfect dominant in full dress indicating she is going to whip the hell out of you, geared for only one view... and not the gentle or the trust that most start with.

I would get more out of a picture of a dominant looking down at her submissive, in different states of dress... showing her love or his trust somehow. To me finding the erotic includes emotion. I would like to see the playful sides of things too. Nature has a great place... who wouldn't want to be under a tree, placed upon a huge rock... in a tree... almost nude or nude... sutle, easy and calming.

I don't need blatant... I do need emotion. I am charged up by emotion and then the things shared between two in a bdsm dynamic and it all starts with love and ends with love for me.

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RE: Erotic Imagery - 11/29/2008 8:27:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I think a lot is based on personal preference, but there are some non-sexual male-type things that push all my buttons in photos, some of them slightly suggestive and others not so much. There are things I find really, really sensual. A random listing --

* Wet hair. I like water in general, but photography that captures moisture in hair can be very, very hot. Same goes with eyelashes, which is an entirely different thing too - photos that show eyelashes, or show emotions that come from eyelashes. That can come from where someone is looking, or looking down, or how light affects the shot.

* Positions suggestive of bondage, but not bondage. Sitting with wrists together, or hanging from beams above, or hands on top of the head with fingers intertwined, hands behind the back. Wrists crossed, that kind of thing. The same goes for eyes covered or mouth covered - not in a bondage sense, but in a casual way, with clothing or hands.

* Expressions that show a subtle hint of surrender, vulnerability, fear, conflict or any other wide range of kinky suggestive moods....

* With actual restraints, I like things that are not super stylized bondage - ie, instead of leather shackles, use ratty cloths, strips of fabric, scarves, duct tape. I love to see subtle things that show resistance or conflict: fingers or teeth digging into knots to loosen them, eyes closed in concentration, etc.

I could go on and on. I've put a lot of thought into this and...err..directing models in self-portraits :)

Akasha

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