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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 11:22:24 AM   
moonvine


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You said it much better than me....

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 11:26:26 AM   
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I don't know what 'THE lifestyle' IS.  Not in any tangible way. The idea of ' THE lifestyle' means something different to every third person you speak to.

I have a lifestyle...but I've ALWAYS had a lifestyle. All it means to me is the *way I live*.

Most people I KNOW have a lifestyle........but they tend to live it or choose a different direction without the references to coming and going.

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 11:42:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aravain




But I'm not even sure what you're implying by 'leaving' either, so some clarification would be nice. Do you mean leaving a community? Going completely vanilla for a partner? Define for us what you mean.




Not to be snarky, because I'm not trying to be, but do you think a person can "go completely vanilla" for a partner?  I could, but probably won't, as I have refused this option many times, engage in only vanilla sexual activities, but what I'd be thinking about while engaging in them would be D/s activities.  Would I then be completely vanilla?

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 11:44:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rover
I simply do not understand those that have unless the lifestyle (for them) is something they *do* rather than who and what they *are*.
 
John 


I concur.  I also think that for some the lifestyle is some sort of external entity that they are a part of.  It not just what they do but the connections they have with others.   When a person breaks off these connections its often people become as Lucky stated"
quote:

Usually they got disillusioned or burnt out.
  Often times this happens because people develope unrealistic expections of this external entity.

However, for many the lifestyle is an internal aspect of who we are and that the connections are only one of many ways that we can choose to live our given lifestyle. 

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 11:55:48 AM   
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I was exposed to in in my late 20s, I did some public displays with a domme and went to a few local fetish parties. I was never collared, nor did I want to be. My roommate was a male dom, and also worked for a sex shop. he would bring home movie after movie of the lifestyle in action and I was never particularly interested in fetish play or many of the people that participated. My ex-GF from about the same time was also a pro domme, but a submissive in the bedroom. She was also certifiable. Then I moved to Prague, and the woman taht bought my computer and scanner so I could get a plane ticket was a very sweet lifestyle BDSM woman, again, no connection.

Now, I am 39. I have for the last few years been a pro alternative lifestyle fashion and nude photographer. Many of the models I work with are very interested in fetish fashion and some participate and live the lifestyle (not all). I am recently single, and although my now exGF wanted to play bondage and I refused - I find it interesting that my fetish facination toward the work I do is intensifying.

I know the "ropes" as it were and although have never particularly before found the interaction to be stimulating, I am now seeing it as an amazing outlet and also a way to connect more with my "community" and myself. I have recently played, and found it to be great for me and the young lady I played with was satisfied. We will likely never play again, or if so, it might be under different circumstances. I'm okay with that - what it did was open me up to what has been below the surface.

A model once asked me, "what is your fetish." I told her I had none. After we shot, she corrected me, "No... really... you have ALL of them."

And thus, "Hello Collarme."

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 12:08:04 PM   
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Definiton of lifestyle:
lifestyle or life-style or life style
n.
A way of life or style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group.

I usually stay away from "definition" type threads.  But, I wanted to voice my opinion and decided what the hell.  Although I've always been submissive, until a year ago, I didn't actually live a particular "lifestyle" as defined above.  I think people do and can stop living in a certain fashion but it won't change how they are on the inside. 

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 12:13:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sblady

Definiton of lifestyle:
lifestyle or life-style or life style
n.
A way of life or style of living that reflects the attitudes and values of a person or group.

I usually stay away from "definition" type threads.  But, I wanted to voice my opinion and decided what the hell.  Although I've always been submissive, until a year ago, I didn't actually live a particular "lifestyle" as defined above. 
I think people do and can stop living in a certain fashion but it won't change how they are on the inside. 


This expresses how I feel.
I have no lifestyle to leave, I was born a Dominant woman and will probably die one.
I have always been Dominant in my relationships, that is who I am.
I "discovered" this lifestyle 6 years ago, but again I was born this way.
I might walk away from activities, and I did not want a personal relationship for a few years,
because of some personal reasons. 
It does not matter if I didn't have a submissive the rest of my life, I am a Dominant woman.

This is who I am, cradle to the grave/from the womb to the tomb.

Peace

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 12:19:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: moonvine


Not to be snarky, because I'm not trying to be, but do you think a person can "go completely vanilla" for a partner?  I could, but probably won't, as I have refused this option many times, engage in only vanilla sexual activities, but what I'd be thinking about while engaging in them would be D/s activities.  Would I then be completely vanilla?



I wasn't vanilla before I ever knew that there were words for the ways in which I had wandered off the 'mainstream' path, way back in my mid-teens. I wasn't "vanilla" when I was living in a non-Ds marriage, married to a soldier, having children and being a good NCO's wife -- I was still a body-modded, pierced, poly (but not living poly), ambisexterous, toppish, bossy woman. In the same way, I wasn't "vanilla" when I stepped away from being active in the community, scaled our house back to just the bare minimum of people, and concentrated on putting one foot in front of the other, did little but going to work and reading and trying to hold myself and my darling together. I could never be completely mainstream, it just isn't in me. I've never considered it a 'lifestyle' -- just a way of life... and not necessarily applicable to anyone outside of my own head. Even when I chose a more mainstream way of life, I wasn't mainstream myself. When I left the communities to grieve and heal, I still wasn't mainstream. I just needed time to be able to patch myself back together again and make sure my Darling didn't fall into the Abyss (I lost two men I really cared about.... but she lost both loves of her life, and their deaths nearly killed her, as well), and that was truly all I could manage.

Just because someone is out of sight doesn't mean that they no longer 'exist'.

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 12:20:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: moonvine

Not to be snarky, because I'm not trying to be, but do you think a person can "go completely vanilla" for a partner?  I could, but probably won't, as I have refused this option many times, engage in only vanilla sexual activities, but what I'd be thinking about while engaging in them would be D/s activities.  Would I then be completely vanilla?



I don't know how to answer the last question (at least, not without getting jumped on by someone) :) It would, I think, be completely dependent on the person you ask.

The idea of going completely vanilla for a partner is one I brought up because I *have* heard of that being a reason for 'leaving the lifestyle' but I didn't understand exactly what they meant.

For me it would mean not even having the desires anymore. *shrug* Until then I would not be able to leave MY 'lifestyle' in any capacity (and, of course, since I don't think that's possible and am not interested in trying, that means I'm not going to any time soon).

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 12:34:06 PM   
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A frank question deserves a frank response:

I was introduced to and trained for WIITWD in a much more sophisticated and elegant environment than the one I encountered in Austin Texas during the 80's.

Disillusioned by the American trailer trash factor, after a bitter divorce from my first sub-husband I left the lifestyle altogether.

I should have returned to friends and family overseas, instead of remaining here.

The old french adage is true:  chasse le naturale, il reviens au gallop....

I eventually met someone who craved the lifestyle, so I ventured back but at a much more private and discreet level of engagement.  Keeps the trailer trash quotient at bay.

So far, it's been just grand.

TM

The mere fact that you're involved in BDSM does not guarantee that  you're anyone I might care to spend time with. 

I'm not here for your friendship or your approval.  I'm here for the fun of it. 

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 12:58:36 PM   
moonvine


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quote:



For me it would mean not even having the desires anymore.



When you figure out how to not have the desires anymore, please cmail me right away.  I've turned down an awful lot of men who would otherwise be great partners because they couldn't consider hitting a woman.

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 1:01:16 PM   
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There were times when I didn't have a partner and times when I wasn't even looking for one, but I never thought of myself as "leaving" just not actively searching. I guess I never really saw it as something to "leave". Whenever I search for a partner I am searching for one that is a submissive match to my dominant nature as well as all of the other qualities that I look for.

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 1:04:51 PM   
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Hah, likewise I'd probably be married to a sweet girl and have a child (and I do mean that seriously).

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 1:35:42 PM   
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Me too, except for the being married to a girl part, and I mean it as well.

I sometimes wonder where I'll end up....if I end up 70 and still alone if I find out it wasn't a mistake to waste so many years of my life looking for one thing, when I could have had something very different..

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 1:43:10 PM   
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My ex-husband was supposed to be my 24/7 sub.  The problem was that neither of us was experienced enough to recognize that he's not a sub, he's a maso bottom.  I got so sick and tired of his passive-aggressive BS that I swore I wouldn't take on another sub.  Ever.  And for several years, I didn't.  I had work, family, and divorce proceedings to keep me busy.  The local scene in Kansas City is pretty lame and prone to high levels of Drahmah, so returning to the lifestyle wasn't especially appealing.  I lived out my dominance as part of various role-playing guilds.  I'm good at it and I develped a reputation for being one of the best slavers in the guild.  But I had no desire to be responsible for another person in r/t.  Newp.
 
Until I met someone who begged so prettily I couldn't say no.  I very reluctantly became xir mistress.  Unfortunately, xie turned out to have such serious mental health issues that our relationship fell apart despite my best efforts.  However, the "Domme Door" was open again and I decided not to close it just because of another bad experience.

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 2:04:01 PM   
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this slave is extremely grateful that someone coined the term "lifestyle" to describe the alternative community of D/s, M/s and BDSM practitioners.
 
almost 6 years ago, at the reccommendation of the MD this slave sought out to quit smoking (He said..."You need to change your lifestyle") this slave googled "lifestyle" and got a few hits...some were sites promoting a healthy "lifestyle" regarding such things as veganism, abstinence from alcohol or smoking, daily exercise regimens, some promoted the swinger "lifestyle", complete with local clubs and national conventions and then there were a curious few (Alt, AFF, BDSM Personals, etc.) that popped up with regards to D/s, M/s and BDSM "lifestyles".
 
it was the first this slave had ever heard of a D/s, M/s and BDSM "lifestyle", and she was very eager to learn more. all of her life she had been trained for and desirous of such relationships and interactions...but had no idea people actually used terms like...Dom/me, M/s, power exchange, authority transfer, safewords, protocol, slavery, lifestyle, Master, 24/7, switch, slave, bedroom submissive, etc. etc.  to describe it (or certain aspects of it) and therefore never knew of it's existence either at a community or personal level.
 
seriously, this BDSM stuff that this slave had fantasized about for decades was all part of a bunch of "sick" fantasies that had no place in a vanilla relationship...or at least that was what she met up with when brave enough to bring up the subject with a vanilla partner.  it had been this slave's experience that outside of the bedroom, submitting to a vanilla partner was viewed, by them, as an even better "indicator" of mental illness that needed to be addressed through counseling, medication or intervention.
 
this slave views references here to "the lifestyle" as a shortened version of "alternative lifestyle of intimate relationships incorporating specific power exchange(or authority transfer, if you'd rather) with or without elements of BDSM".

it isn't generally meant as a stand alone statement, but as a descriptor of a different version of how one goes about their intimate relationship(s) than the conventionally accepted one.


this slave views it as a choice one makes, to either enter into relationships with folks in a traditional manner(often referred to as "vanilla") or enter into an unconventional/alternatively styled relationship, which covers every orientation and grouping NOT considered to be the accepted practice, conforming to the established standards of one's society.


the intention of the relationship foundation is what this slave thinks some are referring to when they refer to participation in "the lifestyle".


for other folks, the term "lifestyle" means dungeon/play parties/discipline/sadism&masochism/wearing latex and corsets/bondage/going to fetish clubs/fantasies/etc. and has little if anything to do with establishing an alternatively styled intimate relationship with anyone, and they pursue the conventional practices of dating, courtship, engagement/marriage to a member of the opposite sex for their relationship needs.

 
it's merely this slave's perspective that the term “lifestyle” is

a)     Subjective, and with more than one definition, like “submissive”, for example
b)      not inherently better or worse than a conventional model
c)      a loose one, and possibly a hasty choice of word, that doesn’t adequately explain the specific alternative that is being represented by the individual using it

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 11/30/2008 4:38:30 PM   
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You either "are" or you "aren't". Period.

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 12/29/2008 6:15:10 PM   
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About a year into my truly living the lifestyle (instead of trying to figure it out), i was with my very first Dom.  To the newbie (me at the time), he was great, taught me a lot, introduced me to things i'd never dreamed of and could only have ever dreamed of.  Unfortunately he also introduced me to the dark side of the lifestyle..abuse, in which he left me in a pool of my own blood and i almost died.  (He was later arrested, tried, convicted, and served a whopping 3 years out of an 8 year sentence.)

i walked away.

For several years afterwards (6 in total), i feared relationships (M/s or nilla), yet at the same time, experienced an unequaled emptiness that just wouldn't go away.  i made the decision with the help of my shrink (yep i had one) to slowly make my way back into life (not just the lifestyle), face my fears, and find what completed me. 

i'm glad i did or i'd never have become the property of my Beloved Master.





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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 12/29/2008 8:12:46 PM   
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I have never left....I have been a sub since I was 15 and it is part of who I am.I have never dated vanilla or had any interest to.

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RE: Leaving the lifestyle and coming back. - 12/29/2008 9:15:26 PM   
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