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Need advise from one Master to the Other - 11/30/2008 10:58:12 PM   
MasterWill4220


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Status: offline 		Good day to all the Masters and Mistresses, My name is Master Will... I am writting to enlist the help of any Dom/Domme that reads this. I am trying to put together a contract and I have never formally done so. If there is anyone out here that can lend a hand I would greatly appreciate it.
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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 11/30/2008 11:37:09 PM   
MsLadySue


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Status: offline 		Use  Search  in the upper right hand corner of this page and type in slave contract and you will see many posts with contracts and links to more.


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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 11/30/2008 11:42:58 PM   
Racquelle


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Status: offline 		go to google and type in "slave contract"

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/1/2008 2:01:55 AM   
Focus50


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Status: offline 		Welcome to the Forums.
 
I personally won't have a bar of written contracts so I can't help you there.  I'm only posting to say that contracts aren't a necessary part of any perceived Dom/Master "uniform", if you don't already know that.  Some relationships use them and many don't - is a personal choice.
 
You want what you want, of course, but it seems to me that people who want something (realistic) bad enough don't usually have the trouble you seem to be experiencing in finding it.
 
Focus.

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/1/2008 7:36:52 AM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Please remember that first, they aren't enforceable. Secondly, the sub needs to be involved in writing it, you cannot just write down your demands and expect it to work for them. Thirdly, the chief value comes from the two of you negotiating and articulating your needs. Fourth, don't expect this to be a workable agreement from now on because things change and people must adapt to changes.

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/1/2008 7:38:37 AM   
leadership527


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Status: offline 		sure, I'll lend a hand.  Let's start out though with the most obvious question, "What is it, exactly, that you are hoping to achieve by writing down a contract?"  I'm going to assume that you don't really know the person in question very well hence the need to write things down at all but if that's wrong, then can you explain a bit of history about yourself and your partner?

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/2/2008 8:59:05 AM   
sailorfrank


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Status: offline 		    Very good advice above.   Instead of a contract you might write a list of tasks to be done by your sub.  Can consist of random everyday tasks to please you and train them.  Other simple things for your sub to learn.  opening doors for you, standing until you are seated and other simple things for your sub to obey!

  Contracts are bad as they are too restricted and not flexible and if broken then hard feelings will come up from either Dom or sub!    Good luck to you.

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/2/2008 10:44:15 AM   
SylvereApLeanan


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Status: offline 		Besides the Search feature, which should be very helpful, try to find copies of Screw The Roses, Send Me The Thorns and Miss Abernathy's Consise Slave Training Manual.  Both both books have excellent suggestions for writing a slave contract.  IIRC, they also have sample contracts you can use as a template.

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/2/2008 2:26:46 PM   
greeneyedreamer


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Status: offline 		Contract? Did someone say CONTRACT? We don't need no stinkin contract! LOL

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/2/2008 5:55:37 PM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		I hate contracts.  None that I have seen work to benefit the relationship in my view.  One sub I know had a 1yr contract, which she assumed was going to be a long term relationship... at 1 yr, he dumped her for a new sub, also with a contract.  In the second case it was a poly situation where the later introduced sis.. became the sole sub.  Contracts as far as I am concerned benefit only one person, the dominant.  I don't see an us there.
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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/2/2008 7:03:29 PM   
MasterTslave


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Status: offline 		a slave contract isn't legal, so use your imagination and put in it what you want of your slave.  It is just a written doc between the two of you.

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/2/2008 8:43:49 PM   
cagliostro


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Status: offline 		Just FYI there have been cases where a husband/wife have entered into a contract and said contract was used in divorce proceedings.  Just saying that these things can come back to haunt you. 

D/s is built on trust, so I've never needed one.

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/2/2008 11:16:20 PM   
ApathyRomance


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Status: offline 		Definitely sign it "MasterWill420."   

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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/3/2008 7:29:20 AM   
MadRabbit


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Status: offline 		I think the question of "How do I write a contract?" is a little misguided and a better question to ask would be "Why should I write a contract and what can this contract include that will be of some benefit to me?".

Given that any contract written for a M/S or D/S relationship has absolutely zero bearing in a legal court, the notion of it as a "binding agreement" has less value then using it to wipe your ass with after using the toilet.

The value I get from it is it provides a way to clearly define the structure of a relationship and keep track of important things that would otherwise be forgotten by human memory.

You can include any one or more of the following...
  • Goals - What direction you want the relationship to go and where things are going to progress. Sometimes having a clear and well defined goal can help keep the direction of the relationship toward that goal as opposed to just having some ambiguous, undefined ideas that the relationship may or may not resemble two years down the road.
  • Limits, Issues, and General Knowledge Regarding Your Slave - This could be quite a large section, but I try to include all the important bullet points that I need to remember in regards to things about my girl that influence my decisions now and in the future. Does she have exceptionally dry skin and therefore her shaving below the neck for you can pose a health problem? Is she a vegan and has a core value against wearing leather collars? Does she have any health issues that need to be taken into account regarding your decisions like an allergy to a certain form of clothing? Does she have trust issues or emotional defenses that you need to deal with? Is she scared that she is not going to be able to continue her career under your rule? How do all these things effect your progression toward your goals above? What ways can you deal with or resolve these things?
  • Core Concepts of the Relationship - What do you consider to be the founding elements of your relationship and what your relationship is all about?
  • Your Ethics - What codes of behavior can your girl consistently expect you to honor and uphold to when making decisions about her that give her a basis for trusting you to direct the course of her life?
  • Rules, Protocols, and Rituals - Will she be wearing a collar 24/7 even during work and around family? Will she call you Master or Sir and how will she handle that in public? What are things you expect her to consistently do without you constantly telling her?


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RE: Need advise from one Master to the Other - 12/3/2008 9:45:36 AM   
Dnomyar


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Status: offline 		Only saw one contract. A sub I had presented me with a contract she had 2 copies. We went over them and talked over each listing. It was fun. It gives you a way to see each others kinks and talk them over.

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