Mercnbeth
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The reason mind fuck scenes can be very beneficial in relationships, is because of the sense of accomplishment and pride that comes from them. The result might not be instantaneous, but it plays in the MIND long after the scene has stopped. The dominant will go back to how brave and trusting the sub was, the reactions he/she discovered during the scene that gives more information on other activities to do later or diferent areas to explore.
Lady Kim,
I would never involve beth in a "mind fuck" for the exact reason noted in your post that I emphasized; "it plays in the MIND long after the scene has stopped." That "it" you refer to, in my opinion, is doubt. An essential aspect of beth's training has been to eliminate doubt. I believe a "mind fuck" scene would be counter productive. From that point on, it would be impossible for her to know if whatever I was doing had a goal to further her training or was another "mind fuck".
I also don't want her to believe I would ever have the need to "test" her.
The requirement of total, unqualified trust between us is too valuable to risk for any scene induced sensation. As to the original question, if for some reason I set up that scene for beth, I know there would be no hesitation in her compliance. she would know, just as confidently, the result may cause her pain but would not be terminal, and it had a purpose. If she didn't know or understand the purpose I would expect she would ask. From day one, long before she was my slave, I told her she was was REQUIRED to ask the purpose for any activity she didn't understand. Of course I also told her that sometimes my reply would be simply that is pleases me. Now, after nearly four years, pleasing me is her only objective, so I doubt the question would even cross her mind.
her mind achieved that state for one reason - TRUST. Which is why I would never include anything in our relationship that had the potential inject doubt into one synapse of her brain. The reason I can expand beth's limits, and increase the intensity is because she trusts me to know she is ready for them.
I watched a terrible "mind fuck" scene. A slave, who was deathly afraid of heights was taken to a remote section of the Jersey Palisades (near the old park) and walked around nude in the night. she was taken to a cliff overlooking the Hudson and a bungee cord was attached to her feet. she was then blindfolded and a discussion followed where she overheard people discussing that this wasn't a good place because she could hit the side of the cliff. So blindfolded and bound, she was carried to another location. Along the way she heard ongoing discussions and debate whether this spot or the other was a "good". Finally her master told her she was at a perfect place, it was time to test her devotion. she had to jump off the cliff. she begged pleaded, promised anything, basically she was hysterical. she screamed to be released not only from her present bondage but from her "master". It seemed to take hours but I'm sure it was less than 15 minutes. Finally, the rest of the group convinced him this scene had gone very wrong and she was released. When the blindfold was removed, she discovered that the "cliff" she was carried to and currently standing upon was about one or two feet in height and a large gym pad was on the ground for her "landing". At that point it didn't matter. The actual situation didn't really calm her down much. her mind was scrambled.
Fantastic "mind fuck" huh?
Soon thereafter they split up. No amount of "aftercare" could mend the damaged caused that night. I remember talking to her, and although I was much closer to her master than her, I couldn't justify what he did that night. she never trusted him again, and soon they both left each other and our little group. They had been together for over 2 years. she was a very heavy bottom, and they would have very intense "edge play" scenes. That night, she was not touched by any whip, crop, cane, or any physical pain inducing implement. But it was the most painful session I ever witnessed.
Could the scene have ended with her jumping onto the mat, followed by the camping party that was planned? Sure, but in this case it didn't work out as planned. By the definition of the examples given on this thread, doesn't every "mind fuck" have the potential of ending similarly? Are all Masters and Dominants so ready to risk the relationships they have for the sake of a scene? Am I missing something? Have I excluded the possibility of some incredibly erotic and exciting experience? I'm a sadist. I enjoy inflicting pain. But inflicting mental anguish that involves risking trust is a hard limit.
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