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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 6:35:48 AM   
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When I think of "on-line relationship", I consider it to be cyber only, never having met in real time.  I view such a relationship as "pen pals", nothing more.  Until you meet in real time, share time and experiences, it's a pen pal situation.  Nothing wrong with pen pals.  I just don't get the entire cyber collar, ownership thing to someone you've never met.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 6:37:05 AM   
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Jeśli komunikuję z kimś w języku polskim, a ta osoba w ogóle nie rozumie języka polskiego, to w ogóle nie ma znaczenia czy nasz kontakt czy nasz związek zostanie zawarty przez Internet czy w rzeczywistości bo i tak człowiek nic nie rozumie. Język to najważniejszym elementem związku, a nie sposób wyrazu języka.

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If I communicate with someone in Polish and that person doesn't understand any Polish then it doesn't matter whether I am communicating with them online or offline, because either way the person won't understand. Language is the most important element of the relationship and communication between two people, not how communication is conducted.

It's the words themselves which can evoke and arouse feelings and stir emotions just as much as actions. You are very beautiful. You silly bugger. You're fat and ugly. You are intelligent. You stink. You are one of the most attractive people I have ever come across. All these statements evoke feelings and emotions.

Any friendship or relationship you enter into has boundaries and limitations, and when entering or starting any friendship or relationship you automatically accept those boundaries and limitations.

If both parties accept the limitations and the boundaries of that relationship then to me it doesn't matter how they communicate with each other, it's still a valid relationship.


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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 7:27:33 AM   
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My whole point in starting this thread was that I wanted people to discuss why they felt that an online relationship was not as valid as a real time one.

As you requested but please take this as a direct response to the not as valid as opposed to invalid with no disrespect intended.

You partially answer the question by your own representation of your side of the computer.
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The fact of the matter is that the relationship I'm in is incredibly difficult, for a multitude of reasons, that are unfortunately magnified by the fact that I'm not with Him on a regular basis.
You want more, you need more; and your partner can't provide it due to distance. The gaps in being together create voids. The voids are the where I'd point to the answer to "not as valid"

Even in the age of cell phones and 24/7 internet; sometime you have to make up the responses to the other side of the thoughts you have about him. What's he doing? How he's sleeping? Is he having fun? Is he having fun without me? Are those answers always positive, or negative? Whatever they are they are your answers for that moment in time. Answers that you need yourself to hear, observed by words coming directly from him supported, or not, by body language.

Your interaction between meetings is functional and pointed to the next meeting. A subject difficult to discuss comes up and the other side of the connection, phone or internet, can escape by a "gotta go" message, or a "sorry, someone/something needs my attention. How many times when you've had a crisis, or simple question, or just wanted to chat and and have your relationship reinforced is the phone battery being recharged, or the network down, or just be out of contact for hours or days? In r/t you have more access, more non-scheduled access. For the times of reinforcement its what a relationship is all about. In difficult times, its not so easy to duck the tough issues, and questions in person.

Your relationship has lasted 10 years. In that time, adding up all the times together, how much total time together does that represent? That doesn't make your 10 years invalid, but would you say that your relationship is as valid as another's who have been r/t together for the same period?

As a personal perspective, I know I couldn't live with the frustration as you do. My selfishness and need for physical contact eliminated the possibility of an on-line relationship. I set a two week time limit to meet in person anyone contacted on-line to prevent any emotional investment that would lead to that frustration. I didn't seek or want to get into a situation where 'natural' time-outs were a function of the distance between meetings. I appreciate those that enjoy opportunities for a WIITWD 'booty-call' but knew it wasn't for me. Worse than a 'booty-call' would be experiencing the void of contact from someone who attracted me emotionally and mentally. The ultimate worse would be the situation where I created a world of fantasy to fill in the blanks between meetings that had no resemblance to the reality of my on-line partner. All the time spent with self generated drama, both good and bad, would be better used seeking and being with a partner, or potential partner in real time.

Hope this provides some insight to the question you asked.

Take care!

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 7:28:44 AM   
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Sure, I'll take a stab at this.  I never drunk the kool-aid that brain washed BDSM'ers into thinking that everything is in all situations the same.

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So....here is my query for all those wishing to respond. What, in your opinion or experience, makes an online relationship less valid than a r/t relationship?


A relationship, fundamentally, is built on shared experience.  The more shared experiences a couple has, the richer and deeper the relationship.  To the extent they are GOOD shared experiences, the more positive the relationship.  It is certainly possible to have a long distance relationship, but in doing so, the opportunities for shared experiences are HUGELY reduced from a situation where two people live together.  Accordingly, the relationship as a whole will have to overcome that or just exist at a much lower state of connectedness.

Any relationship, of course, is unique unto itself and I am utterly certain that there are some vibrant, rich, and long-term stable LDR's.  But that's not going to be the default.

All that being said, I am highly in favor of "cyber" as a real and genuine way to meet people and have relationships with them.  In fact, my closes friends right now were met online and, for the longest time, were online only friends.  But I do recognize the weaknesses of the medium as well as it's strengths.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 9:04:42 AM   
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I don't think "online" relationships are any less valid solely due to their nature of being "online".  I think that what we do with the relationship and what we put into it is what gives a relationship more or less "weight".  If you find online relationships to be irrelevant or "not real" then it's because that's how YOU have filed those relationships, and it's because you have chosen to put less effort into those relationships.  It seems to me that it's not the "online" that causes the relationships to be less valid, but the lack of bothering to value the relationship beyond online.

I worked online for about 9 years, beginning in the early 90's. Was my job less valid because it was online? Of course not.  As with any job, the bulk of my awake hours during the week were spent on work, and associating with work people who were physically all over the world.  Those relationships, friendships, associations weren't any less valid because I wasn't in the same building with those people.  During that time, one of the people I was closest to was a coworker who lived in New Zealand, and who I never got to spent physical time with. But.... we got to know each other and I considered her friendship every bit as valid as any other friendship.  The limitations didn't devalue or degrade the relationship.  Sure, it would've been great to hang out in physical space with her, but that just wasn't in the cards.

I think the important issue is to remember that an online relationship of any sort can have a different dynamic and different obstacles and limitations.  Sure, people can lie online about who/what they are, but they can do that in the 3d world too.  If someone that I place my trust, time and attention into screws me over, the fault isn't that they were online, it's that they were an asshole.

And really... if I have a friend who moves far, far away and our primary mode of contact becomes online due to circumstances, do they become "less valid"? So what's the difference?  Eh, it's all what you make of it ultimately.  Like I said, if you want to put any online relationships in a little box that you label as "relationships that are not as valid" then that's your choice/fault for treating them as expendable. 

And I know, we are talking beyond "friends" here. Fine.  There are plenty of people that have beyond-friendly-relationships with physical limitations to them.  As long as you are honest and realistic about what those limitations are and you can function in the relationship around them, there's no lack of validity to the relationship. This is not so different.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 12:46:41 PM   
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My relationship with my Daddy (and husband) was entirely online until the week before we got married... I moved from Texas to Alaska to be with him.. I actually met his family in person before meeting him in person.

The chemistry with him was instant. For the entire year we've been married, we've been inseparable. The only thing that has caused us to spend a night away from each other is the military... there was one week back in the spring when he was in the field, a month of training he had to go to in California, and now his deployment, which has gone on for 2.5 months so far. We still talk almost every day... right now we are 5,700 and some odd miles from each other, and yes, that sucks... but he makes my entire world brighter and more enjoyable, even being so far away. From October 13th 2007, to  September 19th, 2008, we spend one month and one week apart from each other, and it was definitely not our choice to do so..

Yes, our relationship started out online.. on collarme.com, no less.. and it went from friendship, to romantic, to very serious, in a very short period of time. I never thought I would move across the country for somebody I met online.. I never thought I'd fall so hard or so fast for somebody.. and honestly, it wasn't until our conversations moved from the internet to the phone that it got really intense..

But screw anybody who says that an online relationship can't be taken seriously, because I assure you, it can, and it should be. Just because it is online now, doesn't mean it is going to stay that way forever.. or even for very long.


And thousands and thousands of women are forced to go from a real relationship to a long-distance relationship with more turmoil than you can imagine every single year. They call us army wives.


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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 1:11:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CookieSlave

It seems to me that it's not the "online" that causes the relationships to be less valid, but the lack of bothering to value the relationship beyond online....

If someone that I place my trust, time and attention into screws me over, the fault isn't that they were online, it's that they were an asshole....

Like I said, if you want to put any online relationships in a little box that you label as "relationships that are not as valid" then that's your choice/fault for treating them as expendable....

As long as you are honest and realistic about what those limitations are and you can function in the relationship around them, there's no lack of validity to the relationship. This is not so different.



You make incredible and wonderful points, thank you!!

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ORIGINAL: rosanegra

Thousands and thousands of women are foced to go from a real relationship to a long-distance relationship with more turmoil than you can imagine every single year. They call us army wives.



First - thank you for your sacrifice and God Bless your husband.

Second - I think a lot of people will probably put you in about the same category as me: yes the relationship was (is in my case) mostly online, but you've been with him r/t, thus it makes the relationship valid. I happen to agree with you completely on your points - once again, I defy anyone to try and convince me that my relationship wasn't real until after I finally met my Owner face to face. It was real, it is real...why...because WE say it's real. He and I put forth the effort required to make the relationship real, thus it is. End of discussion. Now granted, people can think or feel or believe whatever they want. If in their eyes, because I don't see Him on a regular and consistent basis, or because I don't live across town, or because I don't live with Him, it makes my relationship less 'real' than theirs...that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However....

In regard to my life and my relationship, the only person who's opinion matters besides my Owner's...is mine.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 1:17:07 PM   
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I think a certain amount of people will always have issues with the concept of online relationships being valid. There are some seemingly bright people that regularly post on CM and refuse to grant the possibility that they can work. Very rarely does that bother me, what does bother me is the knee jerk reaction so often seen, the dismissal out of hand of the entire concept.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 1:35:28 PM   
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Now see, based upon this statement I thought your post was an effort to generate discussion.
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ORIGINAL: porcelain26
My whole point in starting this thread was that I wanted people to discuss why they felt that an online relationship was not as valid as a real time one. Not why they think r/t is better, or why they think online is stupid...but why one relationship deserves more respect and care than the other.


Whereas, this comment suggests seeking validation in general.
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ORIGINAL: porcelain26
I defy anyone to try and convince me that my relationship wasn't real until after I finally met my Owner face to face. It was real, it is real...why...because WE say it's real. In regard to my life and my relationship, the only person who's opinion matters besides my Owner's...is mine.


No matter, but next time be clear as to not solicit anything other than gratuitous head bobbing. It is because you say so, should stand up to any challenge, real or imagined. As you also say;
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End of discussion.

Oh, and as a point of information; in the 27 posts, not one reference to invalidating anything. Neither has anyone representing your on-line relationship "less real".

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 1:45:46 PM   
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Mercnbeth -

I actually clearly state in an earlier post that no one in these forums has ever made any kind of negative comment about my relationship. I also clearly state the the reason I brought it up, was because in threads that I had been following recently, the OP's had been completely torn apart by other posters because their concerns were about their online relationships. The posters tore them and their relationships down because in their eyes, the online relationship in question was not as important as it would be if the relationship were r/t. Thus my original question, what makes one kind of relationship more valid than the other.

Have I referenced my personal experiences to highlight my own feelings on the situation, of course I have. You did as well with your original answer. 99% of people respond to posts that way...it's natural to take your own personal experience and apply it to any given situation or discussion.

I'll repeat my feelings about the topic in question.......yet again.
I do not believe that an online relationship should be treated with less respect and less care than a r/t relationship. I do not believe that because someone submits (or dominates for that matter) in live, living color, means that another person can't feel the same deep connection associated with that action online. I do not believe that one relationship is more valid than the other. They each have their selling points, they each have their faults. Just because someone is experiencing a hardship within an online relationship, doesn't give anyone the right to dismiss their concerns simply because they don't agree with the relationship style.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 2:05:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porcelain26
I'll repeat my feelings about the topic in question.......yet again.
I do not believe that an online relationship should be treated with less respect and less care than a r/t relationship. I do not believe that because someone submits (or dominates for that matter) in live, living color, means that another person can't feel the same deep connection associated with that action online. I do not believe that one relationship is more valid than the other. They each have their selling points, they each have their faults. Just because someone is experiencing a hardship within an online relationship, doesn't give anyone the right to dismiss their concerns simply because they don't agree with the relationship style.


porcelain,

In the very least you consider the relationship distinct. Problems, in either r/t or on-line exist; the differentiation is coming from you in seeking knowledge why you have a feeling that your relationship is, as you queried, "less valid".

You want them to be treated equally; I understand that. For me to do so I'd like to know how you would respond to these couple of questions I pose yet again...

Your relationship has lasted 10 years. In that time, adding up all the times together, how much total time together does that represent? That doesn't make your 10 years invalid, but would you say that your relationship is as valid as another's who have been r/t together for the same period?

I'll stipulate to representing the position that over the scope of 10 years, a r/t relationship is 'more valid'; however, my mind is open to being changed even though I can't foresee an on-line relationship in my future. I would be interested to hear your side as to how and why it isn't 'more valid'. Or why the pragmatic aspects that I raised in my original post don't apply to an on-line relationship in general or your case in specific.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 2:19:07 PM   
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I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. In fact, I stated in an earlier post that I could just as easily argue the opposite side of this issue.

Your first question is irrelevant because I don't separate time I've spent with Him r/t from time I've spent with Him online or over the phone. To me, online and over the phone is simply an extension of the actual in person time. Do you feel that time you spend on the phone with your girl doesn't count toward time you spend with her in general? If she calls you in the middle of the day to discuss something, get your opinion or input, does the fact that you're speaking with her over the phone lessen the impact of your advice? No. It doesn't. I feel the same about any form of contact I have with my Owner. Granted, the majority of that contact is online and over the phone at this point. It's a situation that can't currently be helped and so must be endured.

I don't see any relationship as being more or less valid than my own, regardless of the time spent together. In my opinion, no relationship can compare to mine, I'm simply selfish that way...I would hope that anyone would be.

This thread isn't about me and my relationship. I don't need anyone to tell me my relationship is real or valid or important, because I already know it is. I also don't listen when people tell me it's not, because I know that's not true. Everyone get's to have their own opinions. However, I don't believe that those opinions should negate the concerns and opinions of anyone else.


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RE: Online and Real Time/Backstreet Boys - 12/3/2008 2:19:12 PM   
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Porcelain,

I have no doubt that what people feel in online only relationships is intense and real to them, but that doesn't mean it's always "REAL" to everyone else.  Ughh, let me explain with a story. 

My freshman year of college my best friend was obsessed with the Backstreet boys.  She had visited every website and fan forum that existed.  Eventually she met "A.J." online.  The actual A.J., from BSB, or so she thought. He would chat with her from the tour bus, and send her chocolate from Germany. He would talk about how, when things slowed down, that they would finally meet.  She planned her day, even her class schedule around their chats.  He couldn't talk on the phone, because he was still with his girlfriend, but they were so unhappy, blah, blah, blah. She fell in love with him.  For over four months she devoted her life to A.J.  Finally, my bf started pushing to meat in real time.

Of course, eventually it all fell apart.  A.J. was some thirty year old woman in Wyoming or something. 

When I think about online only relationships I think about my bf.  While it's highly unbelievable that most people would fall for something like this it does happen.  It seems crazy right...that she would even believe this person was for real?  She did though.  She wanted so bad to believe.  The relationship wasn't real, but her feelings were.  People feel what they feel and no one can invalidate that.

So I don't think that online relationships are less valid, I just think that in real time, you'll find out a heck of a lot quicker if the person you think you've connected with really is who they say they are.  You could substitute any person in this story, a random Master, or  sub.  When an OP comes to the board whining about their online only relationship I think a lot of people are thinking about stories like this when they automatically jump to that 'give me a freaking break" place.  I don't necessarily think it's kind or right, but I get it.

Still none of the above negates the fact that what these people feel is completely and totally powerful and encompassing to them.....but to some others, it just isn't reality.

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P.S. I hope this doesn't offend anyone and in no way do I believe that all online only people are dirty liars.  ;)

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RE: Online and Real Time/Backstreet Boys - 12/3/2008 3:54:00 PM   
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Above, I meant to type "meet in real time", not "meat".  It's too late to edit. Yuck, I'm so embarrassed!

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 4:02:23 PM   
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I think we are experiential beings. You could see an online relationship as equivalent to someone who is missing a "sense" ie blind or deaf. Someone blind or deaf can still have a full life, a deliriously happy life (the remaining senses they have to work with may even be heightened) but the fact remains, there is an element missing that effects their experiencing and living...so too with online relationships.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 4:22:22 PM   
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 If she calls you in the middle of the day to discuss something, get your opinion or input, does the fact that you're speaking with her over the phone lessen the impact of your advice? No. It doesn't.
Do I get a chance to answer? YES it very much lessens the impact especially regarding important personal matters and especially in those rare occasions where she would feel the emergency so important it couldn't wait until I was with her. It would be so impacting that getting such a call, I'd be finishing it while driving the 6.8 miles from office to home. As much as she may need "advice" the call would indicate she needs me, and/or a physical hug at least as much.

Well, I was hoping to get a perspective, but if you don't see the relevance I can't make you. Not that it matters, but I DO believe your sincerity, and very much appreciate your dedication. 

I stand by my answer as representing an honest reply to this question from your OP.
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So....here is my query for all those wishing to respond. What, in your opinion or experience, makes an online relationship less valid than a r/t relationship?
This is what I responded to with no disrespect and with the only intent being to provide the perspective you requested regarding the disingenuous attitude you perceive from others regarding the relationship you enjoy. My sincere apologies if any other agenda or intent was taken.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 4:50:56 PM   
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Porcelain,

I don't mean to discount anyones feelings. I know how real online relationships can be. But in those relationships and also when you speak of the reasons why you are in a relationship with a married man, all I can think is that you are selling yourself short. You deserve someone who makes you a priority. No one else makes you feel like he does? Well you were 17 and this is 10 years. How many opportunities have you opened yourself up to for a real in the flesh man who can be there for you 24/7? You dont know because you have not made yourself available. Are you willing to give up marriage and children and the house and all those fantasies to stay with a married master? You deserve the happy ending. I hate to see such a lovely beautiful young woman wasting her life away in wait. Not because i have a right to tell you what to do or how to feel. But I do know that one has to release and feel the pain of the end of an unhealthy relationship to create a space for something better to come along.

No one will ever convince me that they would rather be in an online relationship than a real relationship that is nurturing to both. Its called Settling. Just my 2 cents because it makes me so sad.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 5:06:40 PM   
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I think people place value on what makes them fulfilled, and what doesn't make them fulfilled. They base their opinions to others on their own value system - a perfectly natural occurrence. How many times have you heard one person's woes and thought to yourself, "That's nothing! They have no idea what I've just been through" because you are validating (or placing value on) their experience in comparison to yours.

It's no difference when judging other people's relationships. Just as some people place a higher value on married relationships than live-in, unmarried relationships, and on not living together relationships, they will place value on live-in D/s vs. not living together D/s, vs online D/s.

I read through the posts and it dawned on me (not to pick on you Merc, we already know what works for you is different than what works for me, and so on), Merc finds fulfillment in the ability to rush home to beth should she need his care or direction. Others find fulfillment in not feeling like they need to rush home should their partner be distressed. It's really a matter of what fulfills each individual.

Mind you, I also don't like seeing people discount another's relationship because it doesn't fit their personal criteria - I tend to find that rather rude. But I can also see why this happens, particularly in an online environment such as this, as a lot of those relationships DO consist of some fantasy, and a LOT of those relationships don't last more than a short period of time. How many times do you hear the "velcro collar" remark? In week one she loves him, in week two she's hurting, and in week three he's the epitome of all things evil. Because so much of that occurs, people tend to jump to that type of relationship as a conclusion when they read about online relationships.

I'm a believer that "relationship" means two or more people relating to each other. Some in person relationships are more involved and intense than others, just as online relationships are, as well. There are many respected people here who are or have been in long distance (mostly "online") relationships, who are well respected. KOM and kyra come to mind, as do Michael and BSB. They made/make it work, despite the distance and long periods of time between seeing each other. But time and constancy make these dynamics more "valid" in people's minds, as well as the way they relay their relationships to others, rather than someone who comes on the boards filled with strife about how their dom of two weeks didn't talk to them yesterday. That's probably the difference in how and why people perceive what they do.

Personally speaking, I am somewhat involved with someone who lives 3,000 miles from me. We have met on a couple of occasions, and we'll be meeting again in about a week. Neither of us really wanted to become involved in an "online" thing, but we connected through our words - phone calls, Skype, IM's, etc., and have so much in common that we wanted to continue to move along to see where it goes, and enjoy what is happening in the present. Because of the distance, we decided not to make a long lasting commitment to each other, or to become deeply involved, but we are absolutely enjoying the hours we spend on the phone and on Skype, and the way we are connecting.

That said, his mother died last weekend and he flew to the midwest to be with her before she did, and has remained there to be with family and make arrangements. At the same time, I have been in an accident which has left me stuck at home with limited mobility. We are talking several times a day, and connecting in a way neither of us expected to, because of the circumstances. He calls me to talk about what he's dealing with, and I'm a source of comfort for him even though I am not physically there with him, in his presence. I would say our connection has as much validity as if I were there - we're both pretty independent and don't want a partner who needs continual in person attention. So it's working for us. We think about each other in our absence, and share some common bonds even if we're not in the same room. It's valid to us. Whether or not it is valid to others is rather inconsequential, as it has no bearing on who he and I are as individuals or as a "couple." So if someone dismisses our relationship because it is not what they believe as valid, that's A-Okay, because it is not their relationship, it is ours. If we lived two doors down from each other but didn't live together, the relationship would still be less valid in the eyes of someone else, and that's ok, too.

I've rambled a lot here, but wanted to share my long and drawn out perspective, for what it's worth.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 5:11:21 PM   
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Perhaps to me the greater intensity of r/t relationships relates to time spent together. r/t forces me to change my daily schedule, to cook and clean, to make allowances in my life for my Sir. I get to sleep with him, wake up to his morning breath, and wash his dirty socks.  I feel our relationship is based on reality - dirty socks, farts and all. There is no room in our life for airy-fairy thinking - we are grounded in day-to-day living.

Yes, i think online relationships are airy-fairy, and not based in reality, and yes, i realise that i am being judgemental, but that is my right as a human being. I would never tell someone that their relationship is not as valid as mine - but i might think it really loudly - lol.  And that too is my right. Just as it is the right of people to have online relationships, but i have to wonder why anyone would deprive themselves of the joy of real time relationships.

I get that some people live where they can't find a compatible partner, and may be in a previously existing relationship that is not fulfilling, but why would the rest put themselves in a relationship that can't give them simple physical interactions with another?  Is it fear of a relationship , of the potential of pain?  I don't know, and quite honestly, i am glad i don't know.

I would hate to put myself out there emotionally to someone i can't really know, and as far as i can tell, people really get attached to their signifigant others. Maybe they are braver than me - i want to be sure that who i am having a relationship with , is real.

I realise that i have probably blotted my copy book with a lot of people, and in answering the OP in an honest ( my opinion) reply, have probably irritated many in online relationships. I say in my defense that i really don't get online relationships.

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RE: Online and Real Time - 12/3/2008 5:19:45 PM   
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why on earth would anyone want to rob themselves of dirty socks and farts.....sigh

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