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ItalianSMistress -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/6/2008 4:06:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThundersCry I wondered what happened to you... its good seeing you back... Does NOT take a rocket scientist to know your a sadist! Yeah, its been a rough year, long story……but starting to get back to normal, FINALLY….thanks I guess it is pretty noticeable eh? hahahaha

OrionTheWolf -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/6/2008 6:42:18 PM)
I do not disagree with you. I use it in the sense of understanding an archetype, just as Jung used Archetypes, literature uses archetypes in stories, etc. If I describe my hunger or thirst, without a good reference, then it may not be understood when I say that it must be sated at some point, but as I am the one in control I determine the when and how. quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: . I use the term "the beast" so that others may understand ... And what are you trying to get them to understand when you use the term. I find it not at all useful, infact, If I used it I would find it to create more a lack of understanding of my world and viewpoint of sadism. Often I even have to make sure that a person understands that I don't have this seperate distinction of my Sadism in "the beast". So many have projected this viewpoint that it has become a common place of understanding. Many people have accepted that this "beast" is a part of them... but few have accepted that "the beast" is them!! I have found those that do, find it rather silly and even miscommunicating to use the term in reference to their sadism. In short... MY sadism is like a hunger that I feed. I choose how I feed my hunger! and as such live with the consequences of those choices.

Aswad -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/6/2008 10:49:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuffkinks This is the part I find troubling. You're looking to vent your "irritable at the world and cranky feeling" on another person. There's something not quite right there. There's something quite human there. Most people actually do vent those feelings, or else we'd never have words like "grumpy" or "curmudgeon" to cover people who are exposing us to their potentially contagious negative feelings. What makes this case special, is the manner in which he desires to vent them. But that is rather irrelevant, so long as he is in control of the manner, extent and duration of any expression of these desires, as well as the where and when of their expression. And it is also not all that uncommon a desire, as people have varying degrees of capacity for violence in them; everyone has some, but only a few have enough to be a soldier, for instance. The real question is whether it can be channeled into something constructive. Health, al-Aswad.

Aswad -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/6/2008 11:08:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists To me there is a huge distinction to be made saying "the beast" as compared to "my inner beast" I don't like this concept of disassociating oneself into parts that are like a seperate entity. This is not different that slut role or etc etc. I believe sometimes this dissassociating is almost on the verge of resisting responsibility for ones choices. We are indeed complex individuals with many parts to ourselves... beast, slut, etc. but using the labels in a way that disconnect them from ourselves is not to me a constructive... in fact I think it inhibits a deeper enjoyment of this part of ourselves. Accept that part as you and enjoy it.... and try to do it responsibly would be my hope. Before our language evolved to a stage where we had distinct words for parts of the mind, it was quite common to use external, anthropomorphized figures to express things that we needed to express, yet lacked the vocabulary for. Hence, your conscience becomes the Accuser (hebr.: Satan'el) that prosecutes you for breaking the social norms that make up your moral code, or your primal rage becomes a bear spirit that overtakes you, and so forth. There may be a benefit to this manner of relating to things, but I would rather tend to agree that it is too easy for some to deflect responsibility onto such proxies. As I've said elsewhere, the "monsters under the bed" tend to stop being a problem when one turns on the light. To ascribe agentive capacity to an urge, instinct or desire, is to imbue it with an autonomy it does not have, and to give it power over the rest of us, as well as providing a million different ways to divorce oneself from the actions that are seen as originating with that fictive agent. One wonders how many people have "lost it" over the years, due to this sort of indirect repression of urges that should be admitted as intrinsic elements of one's being. To say nothing of how many lack an awareness of what the exact extent of this "thing" they refuse to face might be. Health, al-Aswad.

DomDG -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/7/2008 11:55:15 AM)
I have to say, there is no trigger for me. I can say I so love the power exchange. I also recognize that I have always loved sexual sadistic play. I love the feel of the toy striking, the response, the tears, the wet spot between her legs. It's just who I am. I honestly have no problem with it. edited for grammar

KnightofMists -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/7/2008 12:02:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad .... To ascribe agentive capacity to an urge, instinct or desire, is to imbue it with an autonomy it does not have, and to give it power over the rest of us, as well as providing a million different ways to divorce oneself from the actions that are seen as originating with that fictive agent. One wonders how many people have "lost it" over the years, due to this sort of indirect repression of urges that should be admitted as intrinsic elements of one's being. To say nothing of how many lack an awareness of what the exact extent of this "thing" they refuse to face might be. I have to wonder if some of those that seek to imbue these aspects with some sort of autonomy are also individuals that also have a tendency to shed themselves of personal responsibilities for their choices.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/7/2008 2:23:08 PM)
Many may do that, but that is not what I do when I use the term or others when try to get someone to understand something about myself. Personal responsibility is big on my list of codes. quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad .... To ascribe agentive capacity to an urge, instinct or desire, is to imbue it with an autonomy it does not have, and to give it power over the rest of us, as well as providing a million different ways to divorce oneself from the actions that are seen as originating with that fictive agent. One wonders how many people have "lost it" over the years, due to this sort of indirect repression of urges that should be admitted as intrinsic elements of one's being. To say nothing of how many lack an awareness of what the exact extent of this "thing" they refuse to face might be. I have to wonder if some of those that seek to imbue these aspects with some sort of autonomy are also individuals that also have a tendency to shed themselves of personal responsibilities for their choices.

blacksub40 -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/11/2008 7:51:30 AM)
my bad

interested1956 -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/16/2008 7:18:55 PM)
I would see these urges as a reason for counseling, rather than a domineering urge to hurt someone. That is exactly the difference between being a domineering man and a dominant man. I do not wish to be too judgemental here of you, but urges seldom keep a dynamic from growing. Men who loose control of their tempers are seldom really dominant, just overbearing bullies, that act out like little boys, with urges that they cannot control. The first thing a master learns to control is his temper, then his life around him, he then makes room in his life looking for one seeking direction ,guidence, and a firm yet fair hand. I wish you no disrespect here, but I would check into those sudden building urges. A true Master would never strike his pet in anger. One may indeed beat his horse to the water , but seldom can he beat it to take a drink !

loveandlight87 -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/16/2008 10:01:17 PM)
Wow, This has been a very interesting thread. I have wondered and pondered exactly these questions. Where does the sadism come from? How does it work? What is it about being sadistic that if fulfilling? I don't know if it is just being on the other side of the / as it were, is why I just can't seem to get my head around it or if it is just that I haven't read enough on the topic. Thank you all for sharing. love

Gwynvyd -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/16/2008 10:11:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ItalianSMistress quote: ORIGINAL: ThundersCry I wondered what happened to you... its good seeing you back... Does NOT take a rocket scientist to know your a sadist! Yeah, its been a rough year, long story……but starting to get back to normal, FINALLY….thanks I guess it is pretty noticeable eh? hahahaha Good to see you back! It has been a long time. You were missed. Gwyn

ItalianSMistress -> RE: How To: expressing your sadistic desires (12/17/2008 4:31:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd quote: ORIGINAL: ItalianSMistress quote: ORIGINAL: ThundersCry I wondered what happened to you... its good seeing you back... Does NOT take a rocket scientist to know your a sadist! Yeah, its been a rough year, long story……but starting to get back to normal, FINALLY….thanks I guess it is pretty noticeable eh? hahahaha Good to see you back! It has been a long time. You were missed. Gwyn Thanks Gwyn!

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