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RE: troubled sub - 12/5/2008 11:26:16 PM   
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Nihilus, a little Harsh, but there could be some truth to it.  Unfortunately my antisocialism has kept me from having any real friends so a public forum is the closest thing to any real human contact that I have,  We can only take what is given, and this is my only way to talk to anyone.  However, I do appriciate your Input.  Thankyou.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/5/2008 11:31:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vanessa73

Nihilus, a little Harsh, but there could be some truth to it.  Unfortunately my antisocialism has kept me from having any real friends so a public forum is the closest thing to any real human contact that I have,  We can only take what is given, and this is my only way to talk to anyone.  However, I do appriciate your Input.  Thankyou.

I wasn't admonishing your choice to talk about it here at all. I'm more concerned about whether you're actually choosing to be in a situation that, by your description, is bound to make neither party happy.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/5/2008 11:37:56 PM   
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NiHilus, Once again you are correct.  Thankyou for reminding me, this is the path that I chose.  I shouldn't forget what I am, I guess my needs are insignifigant when looking at the big picture.  Thanks :)

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RE: troubled sub - 12/5/2008 11:42:03 PM   
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NiHilus, Once again you are correct.  Thankyou for reminding me, this is the path that I chose.  I shouldn't forget what I am, I guess my needs are insignifigant when looking at the big picture.  Thanks :)

You're missing the point. It's not whether your needs are insignificant...it's whether your needs are real. You have to give validation to what you feel you need in order to understand not just the decisions you already made, but the ones that are best for you in the future.

Is this a situation that you can comfortably say you will get over once you've had the chance to vent about it to people to let off some steam...or will you eventually find yourself secretly engaging in sexual activities with another person because your sexual hungers came back?


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RE: troubled sub - 12/5/2008 11:43:30 PM   
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Not insignificant. Significant enough to talk to your Master about. Tell him how this is affecting you and see what he decides. You are already deciding for him, thus removing his authority. Unless he is an emotional sadist, he may not want you suffering like this.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/5/2008 11:48:12 PM   
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Yes, you most definitely need to talk to Him.  That really is your only option.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/5/2008 11:55:33 PM   
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NiHilusZero,

I noticed that she stated that they had been married for 10 years and he has only been in this work situation for 4.  She didn't come into the situation as it currently stands.  For whatever reason, and maybe not under the best of circumstances, the initial work situation is vastly different than the current one.  I agree that when we make choices we get to pay the piper for them (for good or ill).  It sounds like to me that she was trying to make the best of a bad circumstance that wasn't there when she initially started in the relationship (and likely wasn't foreseen) and has come to the end of her endurance. 

I do agree that you need to discuss this with him in the calmest, clearest and most respectful way possible.  Cheating would not be the answer in my opinion.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 12:00:30 AM   
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NiHilusZero,

I noticed that she stated that they had been married for 10 years and he has only been in this work situation for 4.  She didn't come into the situation as it currently stands.  For whatever reason, and maybe not under the best of circumstances, the initial work situation is vastly different than the current one.  I agree that when we make choices we get to pay the piper for them (for good or ill).  It sounds like to me that she was trying to make the best of a bad circumstance that wasn't there when she initially started in the relationship (and likely wasn't foreseen) and has come to the end of her endurance. 

A fair point. We also don't necessarily know at what point (if any) her relationship switched from vanilla to D/s related.

The important part, as has been mentioned, is to get away from the "insignificant" mentality with her needs/wants and to embrace them in a manner that will elucidate what the best options for all going forward are.


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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 12:36:56 AM   
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For the first time in a long time I disagree with NihilusZero.

We agree that the OP has to discuss this with her master rather than with random strangers on Collarme.  So far so good.

But I don't agree that she's required to remain in a situation that she can no longer tolerate just because she made an agreement at some point in the past.  You only get one life to live.  If this relationship is no longer doing it for you (and if you're torturing yourself over your constant thoughts about extracurricular sex, I'd say it's a good sign that the relationship is no longer working), then you have to fix what's wrong...or else, sadly, move on to something new.  People change, and what may have been right for you in 1998 isn't necessarily right for you in 2008.  So start by talking to your master and trying to fix what's wrong.  But be honest with yourself and remember that not all relationships can be saved.

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

These sorts of commentaries seem to conveniently neglect her decision to be in a situation where these are the stipulations.

Sure, I could come in here and whine about having been charged $30,000 for a Chevy Aveo and having to make the payments every month...and I could probably get a number of gasps that the car dealership charged me that much. And yet, it would be I who signed the agreement.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 12:43:17 AM   
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i don't know where to begin.. my Master is gone working most of the year, at least 8 months or so.  i can't stand it any more.   i love him more than life, but i need to feel a Masters touch, i need to be able to offer my servitude.  i know at times he is getting his sexual fullfillment, althought not quite what he really needs.  Would it be wrong for me to do the same?  i don't think i can stand this much longer.  i am so sexually starved i think i'm going nuts! i don't want any kind of cyber relationship, i just need an outside opinion on what the opinions are on fucking around a little bit.  Completely unemotional, just physical.



I'd estimate it will depend on the individual. I certainly wouldn't stand for it, nor would I be in a relationship where I was away from my partner for 8 months. It's all or nothing with me; others, including your partner, may hold a different take on relationship needs.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 1:34:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

But I don't agree that she's required to remain in a situation that she can no longer tolerate just because she made an agreement at some point in the past.  You only get one life to live.  If this relationship is no longer doing it for you (and if you're torturing yourself over your constant thoughts about extracurricular sex, I'd say it's a good sign that the relationship is no longer working), then you have to fix what's wrong...or else, sadly, move on to something new.  People change, and what may have been right for you in 1998 isn't necessarily right for you in 2008.  So start by talking to your master and trying to fix what's wrong.  But be honest with yourself and remember that not all relationships can be saved.

I actually do not disagree with any of this. I suppose my wording made things come across in a way suggestive of "it's her bed, now she's got to lie in it" mentality, but I meant that in more of a retrospective "this is how I got into this mess" sense rather than a decree that she should stay firm to her word at all costs...which is an unfair way to even put it at this moment, as she has not actually done anything unfaithful thus far.

Your last two sentences sum up the situation rather concisely.


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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 4:34:36 AM   
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I agree with everyone else - you're looking at playing with something extremely significant, and need to check with him before you start your own adventure behind his back.

That said, I consider your primary goal to be to be with him again, and I suggest you begin your conversation with him that way.  Begin with something like, "I miss you so much.  Is there a way that we could be together?"  Discuss options like him changing jobs, or you moving to him.  Only when those options are exhausted should you broach a side affair.  And only with someone of whom he approves.


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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 4:46:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vanessa73

i don't know where to begin.. my Master is gone working most of the year, at least 8 months or so.  i can't stand it any more.   i love him more than life, but i need to feel a Masters touch, i need to be able to offer my servitude.  i know at times he is getting his sexual fullfillment, althought not quite what he really needs.  Would it be wrong for me to do the same?  i don't think i can stand this much longer.  i am so sexually starved i think i'm going nuts! i don't want any kind of cyber relationship, i just need an outside opinion on what the opinions are on fucking around a little bit.  Completely unemotional, just physical.

What's good for the goose for good for the gander.  I'd treat him with the same courtesey and compassion he treats you.  Has he discussed HIS needs he is satifying on the side with YOU? 


< Message edited by MistresseLotus -- 12/6/2008 4:51:24 AM >


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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 5:09:25 AM   
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Okay, so let's see, so what are the considerations?

First thing, you only have one life, this is it, no rehearsals, no practice, this is the real deal and as you get older and older the opportunities and chances for happiness get fewer and fewer.

You are responsible for your own decisions, actions and choices. Always have been, ever since the moment you were born, you took the decisions, to the responsibility for your own sexual fulfillment lies not with your Master, not with us, it lies fairly and squarely with you.

What is a successful relationship? A successful marriage? To me it's one where both parties in the relationship take care of each other to ensure each other's welfare, happiness, love, fulfillment, and if you both care to remember back to your wedding day this is all the stuff you signed up for, good and bad, in sickness and in health, and so on and so on.

Submission has got more to do with putting the needs of your dominant first before your own needs, rather than putting the needs of your dominant first at the expense of your own needs. A dominant is someone who ensures that the needs of his submissive are met. It all comes back to responsibility and communication. This however isn't any different from any other successful relationship on this planet.

Fucking around, as you put it, doesn't solve the situation, but from what I can see, further complicates it. If you are happy with those complications, with the feelings of guilt, and with the possibility of further consequences which none of us here can predict then go ahead, but I don't see any solution here.

But the bit about responsibility and communication applies just as much to your Master as it does yourself. Being a dom isn't just about calling the shots and having control, nor is it a licence to be selfish or inconsiderate, for having control gives one freedom over a submissive but also within that freedom carries its own responsibility.

Let's not forget that in order to consummate a marriage you are required to get down to some plain old barra barra. Therefore in my mind it would follow that there is a responsibility in being married with ensuring that you are in a situation always to ensure that you and your spouse both have ample opportunity to barra barra. Understood there are medical conditions and other reasons which may prevent barra barra from taking place but here from what I can see it's a case of a lack of communication and short-sightedness on either or both sides.

But you (the OP) also have your own responsibility, and it doesn't matter whether you call yourself a wife, a submissive, a slave, or the Queen of Sheba, you are responsible for ensuring that you find yourself in relationships which fulfill your needs and provide you with that level of feelng loved, cared for, happy, and satisfied which you as a human being need, want and desire.

I think you both need to communicate more effectively and to discuss this. You say he works away from home for 8 months a year, is there no way you can be with him? Can he not change his job? How about you both relocate so that home and work can be in the same place?

I also see another possible solution. If this situation were reversed and there was no possibility of barra barra, a better solution to me than fucking around with someone else and threatening a marriage would be going to see a prostitute, and this is what I feel a better solution is - a male prostitute or escort.


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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 5:23:03 AM   
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be prepared that when you put your chips on the table, 99.99% of the time you'll lose the game.
 
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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 6:46:04 AM   
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NihilusZero,

You are right, it did come off a little "you made your bed now ..." initially.  But yes, looking out how you got into a situation can certainly assist one in getting out of it in a constructive way.  It will also keep one centered in terms of ownership of one's choices and the consquences thereof.  In addition, help to avoid a similar situation in the future.  Thank you NihilusZero.  I understand what you meant much better now.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 10:18:47 AM   
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Assuming you can't visit monthly, then yes it seems wrong for you to have no needs met for the next 8 months with no guarantee that at the end of that he won't announce he's staying with the girl he's been playing with all this time. Now if he's deployed and not getting his needs met, then you should be able to do the same.

You need to talk to him. Moreover you need to decide for yourself what you need and be willing to tell him that decision doesn't work for you so you are withdrawing consent/returning his collar/etc. If you aren't willing to do that, then be prepared for the relationship to stay the same.

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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 10:31:04 AM   
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Assuming you can't visit monthly, then yes it seems wrong for you to have no needs met for the next 8 months with no guarantee that at the end of that he won't announce he's staying with the girl he's been playing with all this time. Now if he's deployed and not getting his needs met, then you should be able to do the same.

Sexuality is not and should not be (certainly in a D/s relationship) a quid pro quo matter. All of it is relative to what is chosen and accepted and desired/needed. To say that it is "wrong" is a subjective and irrelevant personal assessment projected onto the issue.

Her situation simply is. Obviously, the situation seems "wrong" for her, but trying to paint it as a universal expectation she is entitled to does her a disservice in the process of coming to grips with the fact that it is a need which is specifically her own

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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 10:39:06 AM   
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ask your master what he thinks about it and that is what i think too!

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RE: troubled sub - 12/6/2008 11:02:22 AM   
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Vanessa, it would be good to talk to your Master on this matter and it's how you talk to him that might make the difference.  You know him better than anyone and it's ok to have some dialog that will make it easier for him not to feel threatened and that you have been there as well for so long and that what you need is not infidelity in that you are not wanting to go behind his back on this, but some compromise would be good for you both.  I think he can trust you from reading the posts so far.  That feeling that comes over males at times concerning their fears of jealousy spurred on by insecurities internally.  Men can be without these feelings of doubt and other negative emotions of not being confident of their counterparts.  It all depends on your relationship and what you agree on in your relationship.  Love is one thing, physical needs can be done without it...not a fun at times, but it does keep the mind and body aligned a little differently than without those needs being met.  There has to be some sort of compromise open for you.  Thnk about how to approach it and take that leap when and if you feel up to it.  On the other hand, you could try some sort of therapy to help with this as well...but that is a different post I suppose.  Good luck!

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