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TomLover -> A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 3:37:00 AM)

This is my first post ever on this forum. So I guess it's appropriate to introduce myself.

Hello, my name is TomLover.

First off I would like to say that, though i have been a silent member of this site for quite some time, I'm not a member of the bdsm-community per se. I am in a relationship that is really for the most part a vanilla one. Here I am hoping I'm using the term correctly now, *LoL*. I have a question for you, a question which I think is most suitably placed in this section of the forum. My relationship has now lasted for five years. For a long time we had a very vanilla lifestyle and our D/s streaks have mostly limited themselves to our bedroom quarters. She was the one that during intercourse surprised me by asking me to call her a slut. (fond memories of a baffled look on my own face) We have introduced some light bondage, spanking, wax play and the likes into our lives. Out of the bedroom, she is not comfortable with a submissive role per se, though it's obvious that I am the more decisive, assertive and calmer personality of the two, which she finds balancing to her own rather nervous personality. Frankly, that's all the dominance I would want outside of the bedroom.
My problem now is that, two years ago, under aggravating and ashaming circumstances, I lost my usual sense of security and stability, became very unsure of my actions because of problems in my professional life. My girl was not readily available, with her living in another city and her insecurity about both her mental and physical attributes going crazy without my support and reassurance, not there with the comfort and the loving support she usually gave me, I sought comfort somewhere else. In short, I cheated, for which there is no excuse other than that I was weak and not in control of my emotions. I failed us both, and regret it to this day, which leads me to my true issue.
The trouble is that I am quite sure that her feelings have not changed, wishing to be owned, not as a slave but simply in the way that a husband offers security, strength, love and guidance. She still wishes to be mine and mine alone, especially behind our closed bedroom doors. Yet, it won't be a surprise that the trust is still somewhat gone. We haven't had sex with penetration in a long time. She obviously has trust issues, or so I thought, so I was patient and I haven't pushed anything on her since then. Otherwise, our relationship has been relatively normal. We have an active sex life otherwise. Recently however, she has been showing signs of avoiding contact with my family and has failed to be truthful concerning her family's thoughts about me and our relationship. When I ask her directly, she ignores anything negative I say, goes on to be the same person as ever and acts like nothing was ever said on the matter. This makes me unsure as to what I should do. It even gets me angry, and it has come to the point now where I'm frustrated about the sexual contact that we have left, which was up until now satisfying to me, but now it has gotten to the point where it is the sign of something greater. It is a dangerous place for me, because my anger tends to blur my vision. This is not a relationship where I can treat her like a submissive. Where I thought we had done our best to put the past behind us, rocky as it has been for a while, I thought that the uncertainty and refusal would go away with time, patience, love and care, but now it seems I'm asking you for guidance in how to resolve this matter.

Greetings and many thanks,
T.

P.S. Couple's counceling would be the way to try I know but ...I can assure you it's a bad idea for several reasons.




MadRabbit -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 4:02:22 AM)

Well, I certainly don't have enough information or can collect enough information (particularly with all the ego based justifications and rationalizations of your own bad behavior present that lead me to conclude there is definitely another side to this story that needs to be heard) to present some kind of solution to your problem, but a few thoughts.


  • The sad truth is that when we fuck up and destroy someone's sense of security, trust, and stability in our intimate partner, there is no guaranteed way to get it back. In fact, try, try, try, try hard as you can and it can all be for nothing, because it's no longer in your hands, but dependent on the other person. Bambi doesn't always live at the end of the movie. Happy endings don't always happens. You can't always fix this kind of damage. Pessimistic? Not at all. Just a pragmatic fact you need to consider and be aware of. The fact that this really isn't in your hands anymore.
  • Lying to you about what her parents think of you is somewhere between jay walking and saying "Yes, honey. That dress looks great on you." on the list of human infractions.
  • Getting angry, frustrated, and trying to force this issue via trying too hard will just be self defeating and result in wedging a bigger gap between the two of you.




MRandme -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 5:20:52 AM)

As a female, let me point out some stuff...

If a woman does not want sex with the man she is seeing or curtails it, the relationship is in trouble. The feeling of intimacy is gone.

If a woman doesn't want to discuss what her family thinks of you, they don't like you and have made sure she knows it. Generally, this leads to her defending you, then she stays because if she leaves you, then her family is right and she has made an ass out of herself defending you. (personal experience?? yeah, guilty)

What i see is two people who are clinging to the tattered remains of a relationship. It's already dead, it just hasn't been buried yet.

Just my opinion, of course.








NuevaVida -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 6:25:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TomLover
P.S. Couple's counceling would be the way to try I know but ...I can assure you it's a bad idea for several reasons.



I truly can not fathom a reason why counseling would be a bad idea for a situation like this.  In fact, I believe it is the only solution.  The problem here is much bigger than two people can handle alone. 

That said, if you both choose to bypass that option, I recommend "The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work" by John Gottman.  I believe this is a must-read for anyone in a relationship, whether married or not.




MasterTslave -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 6:55:02 AM)

I can tell you (as another post did) if she doesn't want sex, it is in trouble!!!  I was in a loveless relationship (ok, two of them, but not both at the same time)...I didn't want to ever have sex with bad relatioship #1, he made me upset, mad, sick to my stomach...I onlly slept with him when I was very VERY drunk!!!  loveless relationship #2, really wanted to be with him, wanted to do things with him but something in my head told me NO, don't sleep with him.  It was a trust issue...I knew deep down that he was cheating and I really didn't want to get an STD or something from him.  OMG, let me tell you, he asked like a billion times to please have sex with him, and we would do things, but I would not allow him to enter me...
So, I guess what I'm saying is that if she won't let you enter her, it is OVER my friend!  Go on with your life and find someone that wants to be with you in every way.




bdaile -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 7:39:43 AM)

IMO, you're wasting your time trying to fix this relationship. i have been on the other side of the situation you just described, and though i told him i was over it, blah, blah, blah....i was lying. Both to myself and to him. The relationship continued to decline until we were both miserable but weren't willing to accept that it was over. my advice to you would be to tell her that you realize she still has issues becuase of what you did, that you're very sorry, and that you think it best to end the relationship. If at some point she realizes she was wrong and really does want to be with you, well, you can give it another shot. Just my opinion.




Viridana -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 7:43:43 AM)

There always comes a time where one has to evaluate whether cutting the losses and move on is the best option available. Given the information in the OP I'd say (for me) this would be "the time". 




SingleRarity -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 9:44:41 AM)

If you really want to fix your relationship there is no reason good enough to not attend couples counseling...not a single one.  If you're worried about the kink, find a kink friendly mental health professional.  They're plenty of the out there.  Here's just one list. http://www.polychromatic.com/pfp/psych.html




DesFIP -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 10:34:27 AM)

Couple therapy.

About her family, of course they dislike you because you cheated on her and tore her apart. They love her and should feel this way. How to address it? Do so directly, tell them what you have told her and us, that you won't ever do this again, that you understand why you did this and you won't be susceptible to those triggers again, that you love her and want the relationship to work out. Most of all, that you understand why they treat you with hostility, that you do believe you deserve it and that you hope someday your actions will convince them you have changed.

Sex with penetration? She doesn't believe you aren't still cheating. Couples therapy. Beyond that, you need to give her total transparency, if you run into a buddy and come home an hour late, she will believe you were with someone else. So call her and have good old Joe (or whoever) say hi to her, more than that, invite her down to meet you both. As far as how long this will take? Up to her. But she will have a long memory so if you aren't sure you can accept this treatment for as long as it takes, then end it now. It isn't fair to tell her that she's acting wrongly for not accepting your word that you suddenly are trustworthy again when your actions have proved you aren't.

Since you aren't married and don't have ums together, I'm not sure it's worth it.

Now if you two aren't living together and can't do couples therapy, then do individual. You should do it anyway. It says that you are looking to find out why you did this destructive thing to someone you claim you love, and that you want to change from that person to one who does merit love, trust and respect. See, just not cheating today doesn't suddenly turn you into a trustworthy person, it just means that you didn't cheat today but still might tomorrow.




SomethingCatchy -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 11:56:58 AM)

Just leave her already. Explain that you fucked up, that you realize being around her makes her incredibly uncomfortable no matter how much she denies it, and move on. And for godsake, keep it in your pants and stop fucking with peoples emotions and wasting their time. There are millions of men who stay faithful despite horrible things happening. Her not being there to support you and you going off to do stupid shit shows a serious lack of moral character. I hope you grew up once you realized what a huge fucking mistake you made.




Lockit -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 4:46:11 PM)

So if you could treat her as a submissive... how would that go?  I mean... you seem to think that somehow treating her like a submissive would solve something. 

Okay, okay, I fucked up... get over it and get into bed!  I've loved and supported you all this time, trying to show you, prove to you am still not going to be a selfish bastard and weak and cheat on you... now get over it already.  And by the way, what does your family think about me?  I know they hate me... you better tell me if they hate me.

Okay... maybe you aren't that tough talking, but maybe your actions and words are saying something like this loud and clear and she is now to a point of shutting down, distancing, not listening and preparing to go.

You say you were supportive but your anger.... ahhhhhhh... okay... you were wrong, you tried to be nice to get yourself out of trouble and then she didn't act the way you wanted and in your time frame and her family didn't fall into place and now you get angry...

Selfish, immature, manipulative and well... now... lonely.  Go figure.  Man up... or grow up.  It will be the only way to save anything at all, if there is anything yet left to save.




Jeptha -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/11/2008 6:51:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida


I truly can not fathom a reason why counseling would be a bad idea for a situation like this. In fact, I believe it is the only solution. The problem here is much bigger than two people can handle alone.

I concur with that.

Another thought: Tell her what you're frustrated about.
Don't worry about if it sounds trite or stupid.
Don't try to pressure her or anything, but share your concern with her.
Then ask her what can you do about it; in other words, what does she need in order to get to that place where that would happen.... (this is assuming that you both want to get there...if not, well, this would be good to find out, too.)




LadyPact -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 3:44:21 AM)

The advice I'm about to give you is going to be something very odd for a BDSM site.  The reason is it has absolutely nothing to do with it.  There's nothing about this that has anything to do with how Dominant you are, how submissive she is, or anything else even remotely close.  Do you know why?  It's because no one can order or command another person to have feelings that they don't have.  As much as you might like to, you can't force someone to love you and you can't make someone trust you.  Throw everything about D/s out the window for this subject because that's not your problem.

On the actual issue, I'm not going to jump on the "it's over" bandwagon.  While the other folks may be correct in their assessment of the situation, I'm going to disagree.  I think instead what you have is a relationship that has been severely damaged, but not necessarily destroyed.  My first suggestion to you would be to rethink your opinion on whether couples therapy would be such a bad idea.  Nobody is ever jumping up and down at the idea of getting into counseling, but let's face it.  So far, there doesn't seem to be much progress without it.  Are the reasons that couples counseling isn't a good idea more important than the relationship that you want to repair?

I do commend you for your acceptance of your responsibility in the situation.  I think you have that on track.  What I'm going to suggest further is that you keep it that way.  In other words, stop putting her in the middle between yourself and the way her family feels about you.  All you're doing there is making the matter worse.  If they know what happened, there's going to already be some backlash for her on the part of her family where you are concerned.  Don't compound it by making it difficult  for her from your end, too.  Just like you can't rush her into trusting you again, you can't make them change their opinion of you any sooner than they are going to see you differently.

One other thing.  I understand your frustration about wanting her trust back.  Coupled with guilt and impatience, it's very easy to allow that to come out as anger.  That's a pattern that you need to stop.  It isn't doing anyone any good and might even be harmful to the situation.

My advice to you.  Seriously rethink the couples counseling.  At minimum, get some self help books on the subject.  I just did a quick google search on the subject and you'd be amazed at what is out there.  I understand that the two of you are in different locations, but whatever version of what DesFIP suggested above that would work for you, start doing it, if you haven't already.

I want to wish you the best of luck.  I hope that however it works out is best for you and her.




IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 10:59:03 AM)

I'm probably wrong but with trying to decipher the OP I am left wondering if TommyLad, is not really interested in serious BDSM or M/s and rather belongs to the vast population who lives to use some limited BDSM/Pseudo M/s as part of his bedroom frolics and retaining a mere basic hint of dominance outside the boudoir… It’s late (well early actually 04.56) so I’ve probably misread the entire blessed OP..  




TheVoiceofOne -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 11:23:05 AM)

I am sure you were all very mature and without fault at 22... Right, give me a break.




IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 1:04:41 PM)

At 22 I held the rank of Captain in the Us Special Forces and commanding an "A" Team in 'Nam so I really cant tell you if I was Mature and without fault.. Sorry about that old chap...   However I respond only, as I already commented, to what I could decipher from your original post. My suggestion is that you take this as a learning exercise and apply it to other posts so they may prove clearer.. 




TheVoiceofOne -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 1:13:19 PM)

I am not the OP, and I just did a fast reply. It was not directed at you... more so at the uber judgemental subs above you.




IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 1:17:14 PM)

I stand corrected. My mistake for not checking before replying when half asleap. 




Viridana -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 3:00:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

I'm probably wrong but with trying to decipher the OP I am left wondering if TommyLad, is not really interested in serious BDSM or M/s and rather belongs to the vast population who lives to use some limited BDSM/Pseudo M/s as part of his bedroom frolics and retaining a mere basic hint of dominance outside the boudoir… 

Hmmm...... does it really matter?




CountrySong -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 3:45:08 PM)

Hey OP here is what I read in the Phych journals. After a major screw up like you just had if you can stay together for the next FIVE years and really work on keeping all of your promises to her and her family then you stand a good chance. That means keeping all promises - When you say you will show up at 6PM and show up at 6:15PM you just broke a promise. You are under a microscope of both her family and her and to be honest you earned it so now you get to live with it! (It sounds like she may have a mental illness in which case that microscope is on high - speaking from personal experience. )

Have you really rebuilt your security, strength, love, and guidance to the point where a woman would go - "Yep, he's got his shit together!" Do you own a home? Are you out of debt? Do you have a stable income? You may be better off cutting ties. Admitting to yourself that you F'ed up and just rebuilding until you are someone a sub would actually want to trust and should trust. That may hurt like hell but it may be the best option - I've spent a year doing just that and I was not the one who cheated.

I do agree get counselling and if you can't then end the relationship because there is something you are hiding and that will likely be treated as another lie and slowly kill it anyway. (just my two cents)




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