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IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 4:05:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Viridana

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I'm probably wrong but with trying to decipher the OP I am left wondering if TommyLad, is not really interested in serious BDSM or M/s and rather belongs to the vast population who lives to use some limited BDSM/Pseudo M/s as part of his bedroom frolics and retaining a mere basic hint of dominance outside the boudoir… 

Hmmm...... does it really matter?


To me, yes it does matter. The the whole picture of  CM and this specific forum, no it probably matter not a wit.





Lynnxz -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 4:25:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Viridana

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I'm probably wrong but with trying to decipher the OP I am left wondering if TommyLad, is not really interested in serious BDSM or M/s and rather belongs to the vast population who lives to use some limited BDSM/Pseudo M/s as part of his bedroom frolics and retaining a mere basic hint of dominance outside the boudoir… 

Hmmm...... does it really matter?



Of course it does. If the OP is one of the people that enjoys bdsm in the bedroom, the REAL TWUE masters can stroke their egos and strut around, feeling that much better about themselves.  *shrug*




IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 5:13:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

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ORIGINAL: Viridana

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I'm probably wrong but with trying to decipher the OP I am left wondering if TommyLad, is not really interested in serious BDSM or M/s and rather belongs to the vast population who lives to use some limited BDSM/Pseudo M/s as part of his bedroom frolics and retaining a mere basic hint of dominance outside the boudoir… 

Hmmm...... does it really matter?



Of course it does. If the OP is one of the people that enjoys bdsm in the bedroom, the REAL TWUE masters can stroke their egos and strut around, feeling that much better about themselves.  *shrug*


Precisely! We have to coddle those REAL TWUE Masters and keep them packed in cotton wool don't we? Must more fun being a grunt with wings I'd say... Besides which it does allow those who don't have all day every day the ability to be selective as who they will spend time in responding to post after post trying to constructively help.. I learned a long time ago and CM hase repeatedly reinforced it that if you are not selective and only become involved with posts which grab you or tickle your fancy, you can spend an awfull lot ot time trying to help posters who are doing the ego wank or are trolling.. Just my view anyway others can act as they see fit.




Usako -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 5:16:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheVoiceofOne

I am not the OP, and I just did a fast reply. It was not directed at you... more so at the uber judgemental subs above you.


I haven't seen anyone being judgemental. Nor do I think just because the OP is young they get a free pass at cheating. People have given the OP decent advice. The problem the OP is having has nothing to do with BDSM and hopefully they'll handle their problem as what it is; a relationship issue. Hence why counseling is probably the best option.




IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 5:26:20 PM)

I beg to differ Usako. There are posts in this thread which are judgemental but now all oif them are negatively so. 




kiwisub12 -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 5:34:10 PM)

The girlfriend won't talk to him about anything from the sound of it, and is apparently trying desperately to keep a happy face on everything. He is getting mad because she won't talk to him - talk about a major communication gap!

Of course her family doesn't like you. Why would they? You caused their loved one pain, and families don't forgive that - trust me on this one. Mine still all but spits on the floor at the mention of the ex's name. And its been 10 years.  Forget about the family - its just a side issue, that apparently you are allowing to distract you from the more important issues in your relationship - your relationship with your girlfriend.

If there is no sex, and no honest communication, then what have you?  Someone to wash your socks and clean the house? What you have is a housekeeper, nothing more. And unless you are willing to go to where it is uncomfortable - ie. an unbiased mediator (therapist), then i don't see much in the future. If your relationship continues the way it seems as posted, then i forsee eventually the death of the relationship through indifference and boredom.




IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 6:14:16 PM)

Jolly good synopsis kiwisub and a good prognosis too.. 




bdaile -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/12/2008 7:38:26 PM)

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I am sure you were all very mature and without fault at 22... Right, give me a break.


No one said they were without fault, we just gave our honest opinion about the OP's situation. I'm not perfect, but I know from experience that just because you want something to work out doesn't mean it will, especially if you are not willing to do absolutely everything you can (such as going to counseling).




MadRabbit -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 3:55:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Usako

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ORIGINAL: TheVoiceofOne

I am not the OP, and I just did a fast reply. It was not directed at you... more so at the uber judgemental subs above you.


I haven't seen anyone being judgemental. Nor do I think just because the OP is young they get a free pass at cheating. People have given the OP decent advice. The problem the OP is having has nothing to do with BDSM and hopefully they'll handle their problem as what it is; a relationship issue. Hence why counseling is probably the best option.



Then we must be reading different posts.

I don't see why it's so hard to just provide some objective advice that deals with the situation without railing the OP for screwing up. People are projecting and reading way too far in the OP. One of the reasons why I didn't offer too much advice, because to be frankly honest, it is written too ambigously and not enough information is presented via this medium to make an accurate assessment.

I would guess that quite a few posters are single and have a whole list of fuck up's with partners of their own and this is their way of making themselves feel better.







IronBear -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 4:13:44 AM)

It is my personal and considered opinion that there is a hard cadre of CM Posters who do regularly post constructively or who are prepared to do so for most "Rescue me" Original Posts. Quite opposite to the self belief of some, we are nor oracles, all knowing and all seeing founts of wisdoms and certainly we are not the omnipotent ones (Gods/Goddesses). We are naught but mortal men and women who for various reasons are drawn to a want or need to help others. Perhaps we are the nice guys but I doubt it. I doubt if more than a mere handful post helpful posts for altruistic reasons and the balance do so for their own reasons, self satisfaction, ego stroking, needing to be seen to be taking some form of "leadership" role or just because they cant help themselves and will always be ready to tell anyone where they are wrong and tell them how to fix it.. It honestly doesn't matter one iota! I have seen some very sage advice come from posts made apparently designed to belittle or demonstrate that the OP is ignorant or to rip a new arse hole in the OP. I don’t give a flying fruit bat fudge frolic if the information is dead on the button. I will happily as I do at times sing the praises of that helpful poster. I suppose those who do offer help are in reality, the Nice Folk who offer up helpful suggestions even though they maybe encased with some harsh facts about the OP.




sirsholly -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 4:14:47 AM)

I find it interesting that the OP becomes angry when his girlfriend refuses to discuss her families feelings toward him. In all probability she is either trying to keep an already shakey peace or to protect him. Her familiy has a negative reaction to the OP based on his hurtful actions...and he has the balls to get pissed when she will not discuss it?

OP...grow up.




MadRabbit -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 4:27:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

I find it interesting that the OP becomes angry when his girlfriend refuses to discuss her families feelings toward him. In all probability she is either trying to keep an already shakey peace or to protect him. Her familiy has a negative reaction to the OP based on his hurtful actions...and he has the balls to get pissed when she will not discuss it?

OP...grow up.



I don't really see that as being anything "unusual". Immature? Maybe, but that's subjective. Normal? I would say so.

When your in a situation like this where you have fucked up and you very much want things to go back to the way things are, want things to be fixed, want to make it all better, want to make amends, and want to save the relationship, it can be incredibly frustrating, because your faced with your own powerlessness in the situation. Sometimes the scars are just there and aren't going to go away.

Realizing what you can control and what you can't and making peace with what you can't is, in my opinion, a life skill that takes a lot of practice. I'm certainly a lot better about it then I used to be, but still have a lot of room to improve.




MadRabbit -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 4:28:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

It is my personal and considered opinion that there is a hard cadre of CM Posters who do regularly post constructively or who are prepared to do so for most "Rescue me" Original Posts. Quite opposite to the self belief of some, we are nor oracles, all knowing and all seeing founts of wisdoms and certainly we are not the omnipotent ones (Gods/Goddesses). We are naught but mortal men and women who for various reasons are drawn to a want or need to help others. Perhaps we are the nice guys but I doubt it. I doubt if more than a mere handful post helpful posts for altruistic reasons and the balance do so for their own reasons, self satisfaction, ego stroking, needing to be seen to be taking some form of "leadership" role or just because they cant help themselves and will always be ready to tell anyone where they are wrong and tell them how to fix it.. It honestly doesn't matter one iota! I have seen some very sage advice come from posts made apparently designed to belittle or demonstrate that the OP is ignorant or to rip a new arse hole in the OP. I don’t give a flying fruit bat fudge frolic if the information is dead on the button. I will happily as I do at times sing the praises of that helpful poster. I suppose those who do offer help are in reality, the Nice Folk who offer up helpful suggestions even though they maybe encased with some harsh facts about the OP.


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It's time for some CHANGE people!




sirsholly -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 4:34:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

I find it interesting that the OP becomes angry when his girlfriend refuses to discuss her families feelings toward him. In all probability she is either trying to keep an already shakey peace or to protect him. Her familiy has a negative reaction to the OP based on his hurtful actions...and he has the balls to get pissed when she will not discuss it?

OP...grow up.



I don't really see that as being anything "unusual". Immature? Maybe, but that's subjective. Normal? I would say so.

When your in a situation like this where you have fucked up and you very much want things to go back to the way things are, want things to be fixed, want to make it all better, want to make amends, and want to save the relationship, it can be incredibly frustrating, because your faced with your own powerlessness in the situation. Sometimes the scars are just there and aren't going to go away.

Realizing what you can control and what you can't and making peace with what you can't is, in my opinion, a life skill that takes a lot of practice. I'm certainly a lot better about it then I used to be, but still have a lot of room to improve.

i do not disagree with you...but i stand by my statement that a response of anger is out of line.




MRandme -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 4:50:43 AM)

Chiming in again with my two cents, again from experience.

Sometimes, saying sorry doesn't fix things. A broken vase doesn't return to one piece because you've said, "I'm sorry." So it is with relationships. A woman can say she forgives -- and mean it -- but in the end it is impossible to forget and the fact that you've cheated is always going to be there in te back of her mind.

Also, we have only heard one side. My ex still can't believe i want a divorce, because after all, our marriage was perfect and i was so happy during that time. That's the way he wants to remember it, because his ego can't handle anything different. i am sure that there is a lot more to this relationship that we can't see and won't unless the gf decides to post her side.

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barelynangel -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 5:39:08 AM)

To the OP -- This may not be a popular answer but it sounds like you want things to go back to the way they were -- they never will.  What you should be looking to do if you and she both want to forge ahead with the relationship is create a new/old (not same) relationship between you, one that is stronger because of the rip because its been healed and yes scarred but stronger because of it.  This is not easy to do. Its sounds like your girlfriend is in denial of the issues and feels if she doesn't address it eventually it will go away and her life before being so hurt will reappear. 

What you have to do will be extremely difficult after two years it seems you two are still smoldering.  But you will have to make some pretty strong decisions.  If things get like this, perhaps instead of talking about things she will try and ignore because its negative about such and such -- i can see why she may be reluctant to address because if its negative she may feel criticized in directly.   Be sure however, you want the answers to the questions.  Have you point blank asked her if she really wants to continue the relationship.  This is a yes or no question.  If she says yes, then ask her if she is content simply going through the motions you both are now.  That may give her pause because she may not even realize this is what has been happening, at the very least it will give her probably food for thought.  Then explain to her -- not about what you don't like that is happening because if you explain it like your post here it will only put her on the defense -- but perhaps where you would like to see the relationship go, perhaps some things you would like to change about how YOU are handling things, and how you would like to make things better for her.

Then, perhaps its time for you to listen.   I know you are saying she isn't talking to you but i hate to say it, she is communicating with you.  In all actuality, this may not even have anything to do with your cheating on her but it has evolved from other things. 

If she doesn't want to tell you what her family thinks of you, then perhaps you may have to bite the bullet and take your lumps from her family.  Obviously someone isn't happy with you.  Perhaps its time you seek help from her family and attempt to breach this issue with them without putting your girlfriend in the middle.   Part of being a Man is taking responsibility.   Perhaps its time for you to have a sit down her parents ( i am presuming these will be the people most influential on her or pick those you are calling family) own up to the hurt you caused her, explain your feelings and where you would like to see this relationship go from here, and LISTEN to their issues with you and their daughter, i mean really listen, and then honestly -- not defensively -- explain you are at a loss as to what to do and perhaps ask for their advice.  This may not fix things right away, but it may help them understand your sincerety at maintaining a healthy relationship with their daughter.

All in all, you will need to get to the root of her issues -- you may have to push her until all of the anger she is holding on too and hurt comes pouring out.  Getting angry with her won't help because the way she is reacting to the anger it seems from her family and from you is to internalize it and be a third party between you and her family.  She is being torn apart and she probably has no clue who to listen to anymore not even herself. 

But first and foremost, you need to figure out what you want, where you want this relationship to go, and why, and then you need to express that to her in a non-aggressive, non-defensive, way so she can determine if she really wants the same.

But again, be sure you really want the answers because they may not be what you are hoping to accomplish.

Good luck.

angel




LadyPact -> RE: A rather difficult problem in my relationship with my girlfriend (12/13/2008 1:34:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I'm just gunning to be the new Collarme.com Obama.

It's time for some CHANGE people!


You know, I tend to like you. I really do.  Still, if this thread turns into more Obama hype, it's wabbit season.




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