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I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 6:57:04 AM   
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OOOOOk, so I was listening and actually analyzing K.D.Lang's video of her song 'Constant Craving', and wondered....

As she kinda virtually and subliminally suggests in this 'puppet show' of sorts.....is this how I have come (you are all thinking cum ain't ja?) to understand lesbians....

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9qFKN68GSDY

(please see the video)..and yes, this is a serious question.

The vagina (curtain opens)?
The men, with flashlights = men, and the medical establishment aka, the poking and proding of women?
the audience = the general consensus of all of us, curious or prefering the Vagina be a mystery?
Some men on the stage...one hangs or if I read into it properly...tickles a clitoris all God-like?
The men (clowns): one tickles the side of her vagina, the other off-left takes off his hat. hmmm
crowd applauds
same open curtains, men in the dark
one with a large suitcase

A deadwood tree, a clown/man holding a thin string that he pulls from his pocket. He holds it out completely then his pants fall down.??

Audience laughs, yet seems relieved.

The man holds the string on a stick, forming a T, the string dangling straight down.  An IUD?? Limp Penis? 

Audience seems disappointed.

Man/clown is angry.
A youngin awakens.
Clown/man pours a bottle of (liquor, wine) into his ear (head)
audience man grins
Clown/man projectile spits the contents out of his mouth

audience is happy, another spotlight
a child (male)

KD is in scene, frustrated then mildly amused
while the clown/man jumps up and down happily (all Captain Morganish-looking)
but wait, he has a noose on his neck, a hangman's noose dangling as he gleefully dances.
audience points and stares
KD grins in amusement

Clown/man does handstands and dances
audience applauses
clown/man bows and drops like a puppet in bowing position.

The three men meet backstage and trade hats they had mixed up while entertaining.  They don't fit afterwards, audience laughs.

Clowns hug, KD hugs herself.

the moon comes on stage and somehow all 3 clowns are enlightened by ...something? homosexuality?

a child. (male)

KD as far as I know, doesn't seem like a bitter type of gal. Unsure of any previous abuse.,I think in general she is pretty adjusted from as much as I know about her.

but reading into this..that is what I got out of it,.........

Do you think she or other lesbians (we are not talking nature vs nurture here) feel like this?  Do they feel a they might have had a disrespect upon their body as a female by any or all forms of established and considered 'routine duties' (pap smears, physicals of the intimate nature) by doctors or anyone else in medical authority?? (Don't we all, but I mean in the strict feminist sense).

Could men or witnessing men acting like they have saved the world after orgasming with a woman cause this much distress or is it merely KD's reminder that he is jumping for joy for nothing because HE didn't do anything to please a woman to begin with. Does KD wish she were born again as in male form?  Is he jesting that DNA in it's wisdom of gender (physical) choice gave her the wrong body?  Do I worry too much about a simple video? lol

I would really prefer to get lesbian women opinions/perspectives or at the very least women who have been bi (been to the light side) lol.

Yeah I know, some will say...sometimes a kdlang is just a kdlang.

edited cuz i forgot the vid lol






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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 6:15:50 PM   
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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 6:31:37 PM   
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sounds like a lot of self loathing...

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 6:34:05 PM   
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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 8:33:44 PM   
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Yes, because one music video is an allegory for all of lesbianism. Try again.


no I don't think so...the reasoning behind her choice of the choreography is what I wish I knew. 

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sounds like a lot of self loathing...  


I don't think so?? I believe she had a hard time emotionally in growing up but now she has come to grips with her feelings of masculine tendencies.  I think now she understands and accepts herself (in readin biographies etc).

quote:

Can you sum this up in maybe 1 paragraph? 


Yes, lol, good idea and I will try.

What I am asking is...a few things to anyone who has 'lesbian' /bisexual experience or thoughts of this alternative lifestyle  by choice or since birth).

Do you feel less intimidated by men in your freedom from and disassociation (sexually) in the sense that when you see or witness a man acting all cocky (no pun intended) in bragging how he has pleased a woman only to have an intuition that in all likelyhood she was probably not satisfied? (since another woman would know the 'parts' genitals better).

The (supposed) male superiority in some fields (ie: medical) that put the female in compromising positions (ie: the pap smear) with the obvious poking and prying that must be done..Do you believe yourself to be more 'secure' in your femininity as a whole (again no pun intended lol) and have a stronger sense of 'self' than other women you know (straight) and this sort of medical examination does not intimidate you (emotionally)?

Gods, this is the hardest question to word grrr.  Hope that almost makes sense now.





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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 9:51:30 PM   
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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 11:19:26 PM   
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Please try to be kind to yourself. Maybe try some of what that nice lady Vendaval was suggesting, right?

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/11/2008 11:34:38 PM   
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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 5:25:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh the nature nurture debate, something that i got very angry about the other day. A girl said to me that you are either gay or straight and thats it you cant change, its biological end of. I disagree, life is never quite that simple. I think its a mix, in my view no one is born straight in a strict sense i think we are born with a predisposition to one gender but it isnt cut and dry. I do think that the way we are socialised impacts on what way we go. Most people are straight because that is what they are 'supposed' to be. That doesnt mitigate homosexual urges. I dont think that its about hating men for most women. I do think that there are some that as part of radical feminism do go that way but as you as all women are subjected to the same experiances it is how we are bought up that affects how we deal with it. Nothing in life can be explained with a simple answer.

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 5:28:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am bisexual and I speak for myself and not others. I do not hate men nor feel intimidated by them. I do not feel that they are superior to me in any way, I know for a fact that they are not all naturally dominant. They are just another gender that happens to have different "bits" than I do. Some I feel attracted too some I do not. Some are "cocky" some are not, those that are cocky I just ignore as I would anyone who acted that way.

I did not choose to be this way, I feel that I was born this way. I think lesbians and bisexual people for the most part feel this way.

Pap smears do not bother me at all, it is a necessary medical procedure and my female GYN makes me feel quite comfortable. The women I have been with were sexually and emotionally satisfying as were most of the males. I am very secure in my femininity and I do have a strong sense of self. I've always been a confident person and I do not believe that being bisexual has had a thing to do with that.

I think I hit all your questions.

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 5:40:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: came4U
What I am asking is...a few things to anyone who has 'lesbian' /bisexual experience or thoughts of this alternative lifestyle  by choice or since birth).

Do you feel less intimidated by men in your freedom from and disassociation (sexually) in the sense that when you see or witness a man acting all cocky (no pun intended) in bragging how he has pleased a woman only to have an intuition that in all likelyhood she was probably not satisfied? (since another woman would know the 'parts' genitals better).

The (supposed) male superiority in some fields (ie: medical) that put the female in compromising positions (ie: the pap smear) with the obvious poking and prying that must be done..Do you believe yourself to be more 'secure' in your femininity as a whole (again no pun intended lol) and have a stronger sense of 'self' than other women you know (straight) and this sort of medical examination does not intimidate you (emotionally)?

Gods, this is the hardest question to word grrr.  Hope that almost makes sense now.


Ok, I am in a pre-caffeniated state, so I will try to be as clear as possible.  Please, bear with me.

Men dont intimidate me, unless they are personally trying to threaten/harm me (same goes for ladies, so no nasty emails please!)  I think the sex thing goes both ways.  I know men who couldnt satisfy a blow up doll, but I know men who can make it feel like the earth is crashing around you.  Plug in ladies where the word men is and the same goes.

I have never really thought of myself as having a stronger sense of self as a straight woman, nor have I thought of myself as more secure in my femininity.  As for the pap smear thing?  I cant give you a definite answer since my gyno has been a chick. I can say that I honestly dislike the poking and prodding for science that goes on down in my netherlands, so I will probably dislike it regardless of if its a man or woman, but intimidate me?  Hell naw.  lol


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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 5:43:54 AM   
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all women are subjected to the same experiances it is how we are bought up that affects how we deal with it.


ahhh yes, but what I wonder is, ok easier question:

Is 'pussy power' more prelevent in lesbian women in this sense?  Power as in the Vagina Monologues sense.

Ok, so without the medical situation as example.......Are men less intimidating (in general) to those of lesbian tendencies than a 'straight' woman might be? 

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I am very secure in my femininity and I do have a strong sense of self.


Have you always been that secure, or mostly after you 'came out' as a bisexual or accepted yourself as free to be and do what you want sexually??

*btw, I don't imply lesbian women are man haters, simply that many men are lesbian-intolerant (intimidated perhaps because they could possibly please a woman better???)

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 5:54:36 AM   
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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 6:10:15 AM   
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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 7:54:17 AM   
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Have you always been that secure, or mostly after you 'came out' as a bisexual or accepted yourself as free to be and do what you want sexually??

I have always been this way, that could be because I raised to love myself as I am. To be a free thinker, to question without hesitation and not to fear to live my life on my own terms.
I think you are trying to generalize people and you can't do that, there are just too many variables to come to a one true way conclusion.

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 8:15:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I actually like most men, even though I also find most of them fairly easy and simple minded in comparison to most women. (Not sure what that says about me......) In fact, I often times prefer the company of men over women. Less games and silly drama, except where their women are involved.

In the whole relationship thing.....I have a love/annoyance with the complexities of women. Sometimes I just want to throttle them for it, but a few choice, special, women I want to capture, keep and do all sorts of delicious, fun, and wicked things to for a very lonnnnnng time.

I just purely do not find men as attractive sexually as women. And, I neither want to submit to, or dominant, a man. I am just sort of........mehhh, whatever.

Neither men nor women, intimidate me. Most of both, I actually find rather humorous. It takes a rare human being, to really captivate me on multiple levels.

Oddly enough, I think I draw more men than women to me, though I haven't a clue why. Which kinda sucks in the whole relationship part of the equasion. So, I guess it's a good thing I don't focus on it all that much.

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 8:17:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Pussy power?  i'm still finding your questions a bit confusing.  i really don't know for what you are asking, but i'll give this a shot.

i am glad to be female, comfortable with who i am and the people to whom i'm attracted, and being lesbian is just that to me - a state of being, no fuss or muss required.  i'm not unduly intimidated by males.  There are some that, like some women, i find overbearing.  There are others that, like some women, i find weak.  Machismo disgusts me, but then so too does stereotypically simpering femininity.  Generally, i'm most comfortable with those people who see gender roles as flexible.  It doesn't honestly even begin to occur to me that i might satisfy a woman better than a man or that he might do a better job than me.  If my partner takes pleasure at my hands, and we continue to grow together, then all is well in my books.

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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 8:27:08 AM   
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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 9:27:45 AM   
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I actually like most men, even though I also find most of them fairly easy and simple minded in comparison to most women. (Not sure what that says about me......) In fact, I often times prefer the company of men over women. Less games and silly drama, except where their women are involved.

In the whole relationship thing.....I have a love/annoyance with the complexities of women. Sometimes I just want to throttle them for it, but a few choice, special, women I want to capture, keep and do all sorts of delicious, fun, and wicked things to for a very lonnnnnng time.

I just purely do not find men as attractive sexually as women. And, I neither want to submit to, or dominant, a man. I am just sort of........mehhh, whatever.

Neither men nor women, intimidate me. Most of both, I actually find rather humorous. It takes a rare human being, to really captivate me on multiple levels.


THAT is what I meant!! You got it. 

That is what the vid represented.  KD mocking men for being simple minded (to her).

quote:

Oddly enough, I think I draw more men than women to me, though I haven't a clue why. Which kinda sucks in the whole relationship part of the equasion. So, I guess it's a good thing I don't focus on it all that much.


ok, that is what I want to ask.  Do these men resent the fact that you DO have such control over your own sexuality (parts included) that they attempt to find means to intimidate you or suggest that they can 'fix' your lack of 'necessity' for the male anatomy?

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Machismo disgusts me, but then so too does stereotypically simpering femininity.


Yes, exactly, is this the reason for mockery of some men? Is it justified?  Would you consider a man like this type feels his worth in gold only to be felt (by himself) if he pleases a woman (or thinks he has)?








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RE: I think I understand it: Lesbianosis - 12/12/2008 11:10:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've met very few resentful men, or men that seem to feel they can "fix" me. Of course, you also have to understand that I've always been, not ugly, and pretty much always worked in the public eye. Even for a big (in Iowa) nightclub for a few years, first as waitress, then bartender, then manager. I've had male "attention" most of my life. I learned to deal with it early on. Even as a single young mother working in a nightclub, I got along well with most all of the clientele, I just earned the playful nicename of Icy or IceQueen, because I never dated anyone from there. Not co-workers or customers. Even though I was involved with a man towards the end of that job.

No, I'm not a "gold star" lesbian. It was a rather late development in life.

Truth be told, I was probably MORE hostile towards men prior to giving them up sexually. I don't think it has anything to do with my sexuality but rather, where I am otherwise. I accept that boneheads will be boneheads. I don't have to allow them to upset me, regardless of their gender or my sexuality.

Also, at the ripe age of 46 heading quickly towards 47, I cannot say that I mind someone telling me they find me sexy or attractive.

Edited to add...........I also do not believe that men hold the market on being "simple minded". I've met many many women whom I would purely love to shake until their teeth rattled in their little pea brained heads. Regarding the men, perhaps simple minded was a more derogatory way of putting it than I wanted to. I've always believed that male and female brains, on the whole, just work different. Men, are much simpler to understand. Women, we defy reason, quite often. Our reasoning is complex, so many little twists and turns, shades and nuances. I recognise this about myself and know how utterly frustrating I can be. While I acknowledge it in myself (I also don't see it as a bad thing, I love it, it's just difficult to follow in someone else), I also acknowledge that it really is frustrating when dealing with another woman.


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