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IrishMist -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 6:22:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Its the closed minded judging and condemning that I am opposed to. Like I should live my life and make my decisions according to what you think is right. If you ask my opinion, I will give it but what I am opposed to is when someone thinks they are superior to me and therefore questions everything I do. But I am the one that will tell that person to bugger off.

LOL well shucks, I do that to you all the time. How come you don't tell me to bugger off ?

Fiddlefuck...what am I doing wrong?

[:o]




califsue -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 6:23:56 AM)

I try not to judge others as I don't like people judging me. However, I am sure I do judge others and know that every day I do judge others. In regards to the 'lifestyle' I find I am much more open than others which in the beginning took me by surprise. My initial thought if you are into kink you might be a little less judgemental of others and their choices. I don't really find that to be case. I meet a Dom at a local munch who has an ad here.
He made a comment to me about the couples that were in attendance and the ones he felt were true 'lifestyle' folks and the rest he felt were people who play at the 'lifestyle'. This included couples who he felt did not dress appropiately, including how the ladies wore their hair/make-up. This came off to me as very judgemental and  there is only one 'twue' way mentality and really irked me.




stella41b -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 6:59:36 AM)

I'm happy with being judgmental, except when it's unfair, unbalanced or wrong.




NextDoorMan -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 7:06:22 AM)

A persons judgement is basically just an opinion.  And opinions, while they may be based on facts, are certainly not facts.  I've seen it frequently on these boards where people judge someone to be less of a Dom/sub than they are simply because they do not live the lifestyle the way they do.  These opinions often become quiet harsh and dismissive to the ones who are judged to be less true to the lifestyle, when in fact they are just different.

I made a mistake when replying, it wasn't intended to be directed at anyone in particular, just a general reply to the thread.




kidwithknife -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 10:47:20 AM)

I'm incredibly judgemental.  (Shading into arrogance).  I judge people by instinct very quickly and it take a lot to change that.  I don't really see that as a problem.  As long as my judgement isn't actively impeding others (say, by pushing for legislation to ban kinks I go "squick" at), I really don't see how it negatively affects others.  Anymore then other people judging me makes a blind bit of difference in the greater scheme of things.




Lockit -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 10:50:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

I'm happy with being judgmental, except when it's unfair, unbalanced or wrong.


Dang it, I like being unfair!




LadyPact -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 11:38:16 AM)

One of the things that John (Rover) pointed out was the fact that not all judgments are negative.  We hear the word judgment and automatically assume that it's not a positive thing.  That's simply not the case.




cjan -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 1:15:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

One of the things that John (Rover) pointed out was the fact that not all judgments are negative.  We hear the word judgment and automatically assume that it's not a positive thing.  That's simply not the case.


True dat.




colouredin -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 1:27:45 PM)

I am judgemental, and I agree that being judgemental doesnt always mean negativity. If i werent judgemental then I wouldnt have an opinion on anything. Judgements dont have to be illinformed pieces of bias they tend to be bred out of personal experience. The judgements that I worry about are the ones that come from ignorance about a subject.

I justify my judgements to myself at least if I werent able to justify them then I wouldnt have or hold them. I am also very open to change I am aware that sometimes I make snap judgements based on the past that dont always apply to the present, I am aware that i dont know it all and I love having my mind changed and will absolutly admit it if I get something wrong which I obviously do.

Life is about learning and developing, I have had my horizans expanded so much and so noticably in the last few years it is unreal, it is normally only when you allow yourself to change your mind that you realise how wrong your judgements were before, of course at the time you totally believe them.




trealeon -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 4:46:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

One of the things that John (Rover) pointed out was the fact that not all judgments are negative.  We hear the word judgment and automatically assume that it's not a positive thing.  That's simply not the case.


Yes but the point he was making was about personal judgments. Judging someone trustworthy before you trust them with something and things like that. What I think people find offense with has nothing to do with personal judgments. If my friend has a history of losing things, then of course I'm not going to loan her my camera. That's my choice, my assessment of her personality and track record and it directly affects me and my life. Of course I have a right to make decisions that I think are best for me.

The argument against being judgmental is basically around something very specific. Someone posts something here, a question, a comment, a thought, and those that disagree, instead of just disagreeing, personally attack or reticule that person. I think that's different from the generic "judging" that people are defending. Of course we make judgments and assessments all day every day, that's how we function.

For me when it comes to a post on here, as long as that person's not attacking me on a personal level, I have no reason to attack them, even if I disagree or don't like whatever they're posting.  I can post my counter point or disagreement without being insulting, snide, rude, or whatever.




gypsygrl -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 5:07:27 PM)

Most things aren't my problem.  And, once I figured that out, my life got a whole lot easier.  I don't judge much because, well, most things aren't my problems.  When something is my problem, or becomes my problem, yeah, I can get my hackles up in a fit of judgamudgamentalism.  But, that doesn't happen often.

If it doesn't affect me directly, its not my business.  And, if its not my business, I can't be arsed to have an opinion.




LadyPact -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 6:37:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trealeon

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

One of the things that John (Rover) pointed out was the fact that not all judgments are negative.  We hear the word judgment and automatically assume that it's not a positive thing.  That's simply not the case.


Yes but the point he was making was about personal judgments. Judging someone trustworthy before you trust them with something and things like that. What I think people find offense with has nothing to do with personal judgments. If my friend has a history of losing things, then of course I'm not going to loan her my camera. That's my choice, my assessment of her personality and track record and it directly affects me and my life. Of course I have a right to make decisions that I think are best for me.

The argument against being judgmental is basically around something very specific. Someone posts something here, a question, a comment, a thought, and those that disagree, instead of just disagreeing, personally attack or reticule that person. I think that's different from the generic "judging" that people are defending. Of course we make judgments and assessments all day every day, that's how we function.

For me when it comes to a post on here, as long as that person's not attacking me on a personal level, I have no reason to attack them, even if I disagree or don't like whatever they're posting.  I can post my counter point or disagreement without being insulting, snide, rude, or whatever.

While I agree that it isn't necessary to always be rude, you also have to look at the tone of how some posts are presented.  Some people will automatically feel slighted, just because a number of folks will disagree with what they have to say.  I just came from a thread where someone offered up a rather moronic method of dealing with a submissive.  After a few responses telling the OP of that thread that the idea was a very emotionally unhealthy way to conduct a dynamic, the OP came back to say "excuse me for breathing."  Personally, I thought the OP of that particular thread was a twit, and even without calling her so, I'm pretty sure My general opinion showed.

One thing that people here tend to forget is that this is a message board.  When a question is posted that involves any relation to the reader to internalize it and reply from their opinion, they are going to reply with an answer that is created by their own personal influences.  Their emotions, their experiences, their mood at the moment, and many other factors.  If you hang out here on the boards a while, you're going to notice this come up especially in areas such as when questions are posted about situations where people think everything is acceptable just because someone poses a question to a bunch of kinky folks.  Just wait for the next thread that comes along where a Dominant is having a problem with his submissive, but the background that comes with it is that he's lying and cheating on his wife.  Would you suggest that everyone climb on the bandwagon and say that they feel it's perfectly ok, even though they feel morally different about the situation?

Every now and again, we get one of those lovely threads created by someone who thinks we should be a kinder and gentler group of folks on a message board.  That we should openly accept everyone as they are and accept anything and everything that they are wanting to do.  We should coddle every new person who stumbles onto the site, worry about their feelings alone, and condone every action and deed.  I hate to disappoint anyone, but I highly doubt it's ever going to work that way.

I'll continue with My honest answers to honest questions.  I'm willing to be there will be some judgment thrown in there, too.  Just as you say that no one has to respond if they are going to judge an OP and just ignore the subject, that same OP has every right not to read what I say in My reply.




trealeon -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 7:15:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

While I agree that it isn't necessary to always be rude, you also have to look at the tone of how some posts are presented.  Some people will automatically feel slighted, just because a number of folks will disagree with what they have to say.  I just came from a thread where someone offered up a rather moronic method of dealing with a submissive.  After a few responses telling the OP of that thread that the idea was a very emotionally unhealthy way to conduct a dynamic, the OP came back to say "excuse me for breathing."  Personally, I thought the OP of that particular thread was a twit, and even without calling her so, I'm pretty sure My general opinion showed.

One thing that people here tend to forget is that this is a message board.  When a question is posted that involves any relation to the reader to internalize it and reply from their opinion, they are going to reply with an answer that is created by their own personal influences.  Their emotions, their experiences, their mood at the moment, and many other factors.  If you hang out here on the boards a while, you're going to notice this come up especially in areas such as when questions are posted about situations where people think everything is acceptable just because someone poses a question to a bunch of kinky folks.  Just wait for the next thread that comes along where a Dominant is having a problem with his submissive, but the background that comes with it is that he's lying and cheating on his wife.  Would you suggest that everyone climb on the bandwagon and say that they feel it's perfectly ok, even though they feel morally different about the situation?

Every now and again, we get one of those lovely threads created by someone who thinks we should be a kinder and gentler group of folks on a message board.  That we should openly accept everyone as they are and accept anything and everything that they are wanting to do.  We should coddle every new person who stumbles onto the site, worry about their feelings alone, and condone every action and deed.  I hate to disappoint anyone, but I highly doubt it's ever going to work that way.

I'll continue with My honest answers to honest questions.  I'm willing to be there will be some judgment thrown in there, too.  Just as you say that no one has to respond if they are going to judge an OP and just ignore the subject, that same OP has every right not to read what I say in My reply.



I never said accept everyone, I never said coddle anyone, I never said don't express your opinion and I never said don't be honest. And yes, I've seen the kinds of posts you're talking about, they've come up pretty frequently in just the short time I've been here.

But what I don't understand is how does "don't be rude or insulting" = "accept everyone and don't be honest". Why do these two things keep getting linked. You can not be rude and still not accept someone's actions. You can not be rude and still be honest about what you think. You can not be rude and still get your point across... actually it probably gets through better when you're not rude (not to everyone though because people still get defensive if there point of view is challenged). 

I have not and never will say that people should just "accept everyone." I am just pointing out there are better ways to get a point across. Of course there will be cases where no matter what or how you say something, someone is going to take offense, but there is nothing you can do about that especially if they already have their mind made up to begin with. And I am all for situations like what lally said where she comments on topics just to show that there is an opposing view and "not everyone thinks like this person." 

My point has always been about posts that seem to only be aimed at insulting another person just because they disagree with what that person thinks. Nothing else.




LadyPact -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 7:39:19 PM)

I hope you'll understand that I'm not entirely disagreeing with you.  I think you have several valid points in your posts. 

I've been looking at this from something of the perspective of what I'll refer to as recent members.  That's probably something that I should adjust.  In the past year and a half or whatever it's been that I've been hanging around this place, I've gotten to cyber know some of the regulars.  While many do receive information better with a gentler approach, others are exactly the opposite.  They are more the type that would prefer someone tell them to get their head out of their ass.

Thankfully, most threads get a mixture of both and I tend to think that someone out there will offer up a reply in the way that will work best for that particular person.




trealeon -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 8:48:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I hope you'll understand that I'm not entirely disagreeing with you.  I think you have several valid points in your posts. 

I've been looking at this from something of the perspective of what I'll refer to as recent members.  That's probably something that I should adjust.  In the past year and a half or whatever it's been that I've been hanging around this place, I've gotten to cyber know some of the regulars.  While many do receive information better with a gentler approach, others are exactly the opposite.  They are more the type that would prefer someone tell them to get their head out of their ass.

Thankfully, most threads get a mixture of both and I tend to think that someone out there will offer up a reply in the way that will work best for that particular person.



Yes, and I think it does have to do with what perspective you're taking this from. Also I know that when you come on here, and post something, you're pretty much putting yourself out there to get a myriad of responses which include ones that aren't "warm and fuzzy" and ones that come from people that don't share your point of view.




KnightofMists -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 9:02:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
So my questions are:  Are you judgmental and if you are, are you open for discussion with other’s about it?  Do you justify your judgment or bias somehow?  What do you think of it all?  And lastly, my question about accepting any kink or choice people make in the area of bdsm.


am I judgemental.. Yeah... I suppose you could say that I am.  I am not afraid to make judgements.. for the type of woman that I enjoy to the type of ice cream I enjoy and anything and everything in between and around.  To me there is nothing wrong with anyone being judgemental or opinionated.  However, I think people who are Close-minded to their judgements and opinions to be generally distasteful to converse with, regardless if I share their opinions or not!  I very much enjoy Open-minded individuals with Strong opinions.  Sometimes these individuals opininons will change and sometimes they don't.. but they are always open to listen and hearing anothers opinion.  Such individuals are less concerned about being Right over others but more interest in having the best opinion for themself.  They are willing to listen to others to just maybe improve their opinion and as well conversing with such an individual in an equally open-minded way I just might improve upon my own opinion on a give issue. 




slavejali -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 9:08:33 PM)

I think we are all judgemental. We dont hear, see, read or experience a thing that doesnt have to "compute" with our own belief systems and life experiences before processing our thoughts out. Whether those thoughts end up negative or positive is up to the wisdom or lack of,  of each individual.




tonia78 -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 10:02:45 PM)

I think everyone is judgmental, it is human nature.  we, as people, can't help but compare others to ourselves and our norms.   What you do with it, is the question.




LadyPact -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/13/2008 10:25:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trealeon

Yes, and I think it does have to do with what perspective you're taking this from. Also I know that when you come on here, and post something, you're pretty much putting yourself out there to get a myriad of responses which include ones that aren't "warm and fuzzy" and ones that come from people that don't share your point of view.

Which is pretty much the way I do it.  I'd even be willing to bet there are some out there who are sick to death about hearing about My life.

I don't expect to be agreed with all of the time.  I also think it's rare that any of us, when compared to the others disagrees with each other all of the time.  That's part of what makes us different from one another. 

Still, there are certain folks that I know their posting style tends to be a certain way and others who take a completely different approach.  It's a mixture of the full range of the spectrun. 




stella41b -> RE: Judgmental/ Biased? (12/14/2008 4:40:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: trealeon

or reticule that person.



Is this a kink I've missed? I've never been reticuled before.

Any dommes out there who are into reticulation?

No wait, you have reticulated pythons.

Maybe it's not such a good idea after all.

Oh well.

Edited to remove my typos and make posting understandable.




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