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HunterS -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 12:40:06 PM)

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So the vatican takes a mortal, elevates him/her to sainthood and tells you that to speed things up, you go through them. I cannot help but wonder how God feels about this one.


I had the same problem when I was still a Catholic.  Kinda like trying to "hustle" god by getting one of his "buddies" to put in a good word for you.  It kinda goes contrary to the concept of omniscience.
I can almost hear it now:
 
Saint Homer: God you may not know that my ol buddie Hunter is a pretty good dude and could use a little of your help just now.

God: Thanks for reminding me Homer. I had forgotten what a stellar bloke ol Hunter is.
 
Or possibly:
God: Homer,when I wan your opinion I will ask for, it in the mean time why don't you STFU.

 
H.




sirsholly -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 12:50:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Sooo, the view is that perhaps God won't think your request is worth listening to so you suck up to a saint, get the saint to plead your case to God, and voila', maybe you will get what you want?

I don't know why but that concept never dawned on my and now that I've read it, I am laughing unreasonably hard here. Saints are nothing more than customer service reps for a company called "God".


you are not the only one laughing. The entire concept makes me think of sleeping with the human resources guy to get your job app to the top of the pile.






HunterS -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 12:56:04 PM)

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The entire concept makes me think of sleeping with the human resources guy to get your job app to the top of the pile.


You may not know this but I am the human resources guy...and yes I am open to an "arrangement"[:D]
 
H.




LaTigresse -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 1:03:18 PM)

"God? God, are you listening?"




philosophy -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 1:05:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

"God? God, are you listening?"


"sorry God's out right now. Just popped down the shops for sommat. I'll take a message, I know I have a pen round here somewhere......"




Emperor1956 -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 1:06:24 PM)

FR:  I'm coming to this one late, but explain this to me, please?

If I see The Virgin Mary in a grease stain on my garage floor, its a miracle.

If see The Virgin Mary in a photograph of an attractive young woman wearing a headscarf and standing in front of a stained glass window, its heresy?

E.




Emperor1956 -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 1:23:17 PM)

FR II:  to the religious fanatic(s) who found this so horribly offensive.  A small point.  You cite as one of the many wrongs against Catholicism "the cross in pee".  I'm betting that you have NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN THE ART WORK TO WHICH YOU REFER.  I'm betting you are quoting from one of the many right-wing Catholic spew blogs (and maybe they even put up a picture which supposedly represented the art work -- but it doesn't.)  Don't you feel like an idiot complaining about something you have never even seen?  'Cause you sound like an idiot.

And...if the pictures of the "Shechina" bother you -- ever read shir hashirim?  I think your church calls it "the Song of Songs" or the "Psalm of Solomon" and tells you its a metaphor for Jesus' love for the church.   It ain't, bucko.

Cant 5:4
My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels
were moved for him.

Cant 5:5
I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and
my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

Cant 5:6
I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was
gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not
find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.

 
(I use KJV because it is the best example in English of the verses, obscure language notwithstanding -- its actually sexier in Hebrew)





came4U -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 1:56:23 PM)

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If I see The Virgin Mary in a grease stain on my garage floor, its a miracle.


To some nuts, maybe.  I don't advocate looking for any religious figures in a potato chip or a carpet stain either. (I don't even believe in the Portugese fable of Mary apparition of Fatima coming to the 3 c's in 1917).

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If see The Virgin Mary in a photograph of an attractive young woman wearing a headscarf and standing in front of a stained glass window, its heresy?


No and yes.  Heresy would imply a decision of action, thus purchase of such is what I consider heresy.  How one views it is no different than if it were a bias by putting a black woman in a slave-like photog setting, it either upsets you morally or via it (the context of placement) being a distinctive cultural taboo as 'art'.  It may be 'art' if in a gallery, but not likely more than a marketting ploy in this context of media. A money grabber, exploiting the enjoyment of use of a religious icon to those that may be angry at the church, God or the general premise of religion. aka gratifying or disassociative/indifference only if 1. you don't believe (Mary as Mother of Christ) and 2. you haven't been in that situation (Southern American slave) and assume it is a romantic ideal.

I would contain as much objection and offense by an objectification if a menorah candle (ie: dripping the wax on nipples) were used in some means in a sexual-based photog or published subscription of some kind (and I am not even Jewish).

If someone else is not offended or even would enjoy such activity, not my business.  If I choose to be offended, I will be, without having to explain it to death.




sirsholly -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 1:58:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

"God? God, are you listening?"


"sorry God's out right now. Just popped down the shops for sommat. I'll take a message, I know I have a pen round here somewhere......"

aww...what a saint!




tsatske -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 3:15:16 PM)

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(I use KJV because it is the best example in English of the verses, obscure language notwithstanding -- its actually sexier in Hebrew)


Well, uh, yea, - just about anything woulda been sexier than that part about the bowel movement.

Actually, MY church tells me that it is a tremedously erotic love poetry between two people deeply in love, and, ALSO, a metaphor for Jesus's love of the church and of His flock.
Since MY church tells me that marriage overall is a metaphore for Jesus's love of humanity, and me in particular, this makes perfectly good sense.




kittinSol -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 3:23:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
If I see The Virgin Mary in a grease stain on my garage floor, its a miracle.

If see The Virgin Mary in a photograph of an attractive young woman wearing a headscarf and standing in front of a stained glass window, its heresy?


HA!

The proof is in the pudding.




Aynne88 -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 3:31:31 PM)

Damn it! I have tried to avoid this thread for days now.....but....and this is from a non-believer, just to preface it, I find this kind of thing distasteful. Perhaps because I was brought up a Catholic and have remnants of that dratted Catholic guilt, but I truly believe unless you were born and raised a Catholic you cannot quite understand why this is wrong. It bothers me, and I apologize that I don't have the words to express why. I just think that it is one of those things that is better left alone. Why poke it with a stick I guess? Just my opinion, but I find it unnecessary and trying to hard to be confrontational. Like it just seems to me to reek of running out of ideas.




kittinSol -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/17/2008 3:33:17 PM)

The world is a more interesting place because it is such a rich tapestry :-) .




Emperor1956 -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/19/2008 3:06:45 PM)

fr:  tsaske, as your handle is a Hebrew/Yiddish word, I wonder do you speak Hebrew?  The KJV "bowels were moved for him" does NOT mean a bowel movement.  In 17th C. England, "bowels" were equivalent to "heart" -- not the organ so much as the center, the fundament.  So you might read that famous passage as "he put his hand by my keyhole (another common translation) and I was moved to my deepest core".  Even the notes on the actual KJV translation cite that the Greek phrase (remember, KJV is Greek to English, losing a ton of meaning by ignoring the Aramaic/Hebrew original text) may be "He put his hand inside of me".  A tortured reading will find this to be another Christian metaphor (go on Biblios.com, you'll find dozens).  Any thinking rational human with a bit of adult experience will realize that this love poem includes an erotic rememberance of how a woman orgasmed when her lover put his fingers or hand inside of her.

E.




kittinSol -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/19/2008 3:18:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Any thinking rational human with a bit of adult experience will realize that this love poem includes an erotic rememberance of how a woman orgasmed when her lover put his fingers or hand inside of her.


Guilty as charged.




Raechard -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/19/2008 3:24:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Cant 5:4
My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels
were moved for him.

Surgeons also put their hands in people and wiggle their innards about, hardly pleasurable though.

Could this be what this text meant???[8|]
 




Raechard -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/19/2008 3:31:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Cant 5:6
I sought him, but I could not
find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.



Translation: the pussy was large it ate him whole.[8|]




sirsholly -> RE: Playboy's nude Virgin Mary (12/19/2008 3:38:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Cant 5:6
I sought him, but I could not
find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.



Translation: the pussy was large it ate him whole.[8|]

thanks Raechard...that resulted in spilled coffee.




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