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RE: Spanking - 12/31/2005 2:44:34 PM

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A different answer here, but last visit I came in a hurry and didnt bring any toys or tools. Well it was Christmas after all. I remember she had been given a cane from another friend and wondered whether I might give it a go. There was no punishment involved only a learning experience for her Master. Fortunately had some boots on when I arrived and long laces so it wasnt too hard to tie her hands up. As usual I made her count, but often she forgot so had to start again. It left some huge red marks which she adored, but it did realy hurt. She didnt use the safe word tho, only wanted me to become good at it. She liked least the inner thighs, the soft skin realy redened up. The long mark of the cane is unusual, not like a little flogger or paddle. It was a huge turn on for me, what a gift when she gives and gives.

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RE: Spanking - 12/31/2005 2:50:36 PM

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Interesting Thread.

Let me throw this out there. How about a punishment that is more for training.

An example: You send the new sub to clean the toliet. The job was done well but not quite up to the standards you expect. So would a spanking, that is enjoyed on a certain level by the sub, still be an effective means of training/punishment for such an offense?

Punishment is a poor word choice or dynamic in an environment of training.... If training is teaching, then you don't punish for not achieving a desired standard. Bear in mind that your sub most likely wants to please you by doing as asked or expected and it's up to you to show what's expected - to set the standard. Personally, I'd probably *reward* her with a spanking AFTER she's achieved the desired standard - it's all in the headspace....

Punishing is a powerful dynamic and shouldn't be abused through over use. I punish maybe once or twice a year max because that's usually all that's necessary. Subs hate it for good reason (if done properly) and you don't want to develop a mindset in her that she's always screwing up! Discipline is different and you need to appreciate that difference - it's an act of control and that's what she's there for.

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RE: Spanking - 12/31/2005 3:11:28 PM

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A different answer here, but last visit I came in a hurry and didnt bring any toys or tools. Well it was Christmas after all. I remember she had been given a cane from another friend and wondered whether I might give it a go. There was no punishment involved only a learning experience for her Master. Fortunately had some boots on when I arrived and long laces so it wasnt too hard to tie her hands up. As usual I made her count, but often she forgot so had to start again. It left some huge red marks which she adored, but it did realy hurt. She didnt use the safe word tho, only wanted me to become good at it. She liked least the inner thighs, the soft skin realy redened up. The long mark of the cane is unusual, not like a little flogger or paddle. It was a huge turn on for me, what a gift when she gives and gives.

Well of course it hurts but considering it wasn't an act of punishment, why make her count?

Just my own theory here but subs have a way of dealing with the extreme pain being felt; they counter much of it by slipping into sub-space.... But she's not gonna get there if you make her count.

So yeah, you can punish with a cane etc by making her count but if it isn't punishment, why not let her just endure and enjoy by not disturbing her with a demand for verbal response?

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RE: Spanking - 1/1/2006 11:08:42 AM

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Cus counting is another act of submission, that is always on the agenda, it is one of the rules that is all. But I hadnt considered it would keep her from sub space, thks.

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RE: Spanking - 1/1/2006 11:44:20 AM

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Focus...What is " frog-marching"?...that's a new phrase for me!

From wikipedia

Frog marching refers to the practice of forcibly transporting a suspect or prisoner through a public place, up to and including carrying him/her by the limbs, causing them to be splayed in such a fashion that the person resembles a frog. Unlike the similar term perp walk, which refers to a less forcible transport of a prisoner (who often moves under his own power), the term frog march is used when the prisoner is forcibly moved.

Sometimes, frog-marching is necessary to transport prisoners who are uncooperative or intoxicated. However it is often alleged that many frog-marches are unnecessary, and intended to primarily humiliate the prisoner; after a severe physical punishment has left the agonized victim unable to walk or nearly, carrying the punishee by four men, each grabbing a limb commonly constitutes the humiliating last part of the rather degrading routine, which the strongest and most courage try, if allowed, to spare themselves by 'marching' back to their cell despite the hellish pain in the fresh wounds.

The term achieved a great deal of public currency in October 2003, when Joseph Wilson, outraged that someone in the Bush Administration had allegedly leaked the to the press the fact that his wife Valerie Plame was an undercover CIA operative (effectively ending her career), stated that he would love to see the guilty party "frog-marched out of the White House".

a variation in Australia: to hustle someone forward, after seizing from behind and pinning the arms or seizing by the scruff of the neck and the back of the trousers From the web - http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/f-3.php

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RE: Spanking - 1/1/2006 1:45:32 PM

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FOCUS - ANSWER
Cus counting is another act of submission, that is always on the agenda, it is one of the rules that is all. But I hadnt considered it would keep her from sub space, thks.

There was a time when I made the girl count while flogging her - for no special reason other than it seemed like the thing to do.... And the same thing happened as you described in your previous post:

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As usual I made her count, but often she forgot so had to start again.

I soon worked out she wasn't "forgetting", she was slipping into sub-space and when I'd pull her up about it and get her counting again, I was really dragging her back from where she wanted to go. Or to be precise, where we *both* wanted her to go. To me, flogging is for mutual pleasure so you might wanna consider just letting her enjoy in silence sometimes, too!

On the other hand, you can then utilise counting as a means of punishing by flogging so she doesn't get into sub-space but it can really only be a few strokes before you get exasperated yourself in dragging her back.... And you'd need to specifically set her head-space prior and as one of getting punished, too!

But no matter what, you're still giving her attention so I don't punish physically anymore. If something she's done has made me angry, and I do mean ANGRY, I need time to cool off and since I don't want her (or anyone) near me during that period, she can spend it in the corner - 2 birds, one stone!

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