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squirrelfury -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/17/2008 9:05:38 PM)
No apology necessary, the topic wasn't derailed, I feel....just shunted onto an alternate track providing different sights en route to wherever the final destination is. Yeah, I took that analogy and made it my bitch. grins

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/17/2008 9:08:06 PM)
You are not offering an olive branch, you are offering terms. Just let it drop. quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae Withdraw bigotry, misandry and hypocrisy (as they are completely untrue about me) and girl might consider approaching you with intended clarity of the open mind. Girl will apologize for the 'pomparorion' that was placed in one post since it was uncalled for. Your posts were perceived as offering an alternative to my own philosophy. My personal philosophy and beliefs are what keeps me going. It is why girl continues to survive. Remove those words with an apology just as girl has done and girl will speak privately. You have my messenger to contact me if you are of sincere intent. Girl is offering an olive branch.

Aszhrae -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/17/2008 9:47:11 PM)
Then girl must be a bigger girl than the man that swears to offer guidance by sharing his take on the Gorean philosophy, since he does not accept an apology or an olive branch from some one that is openly admitting that she was incorrect in her perceptions of what you were actually trying to do. Asked that you withdraw three words and you will not even consider the truce and open mind. Here you are trying to clarify and that you are better man than most, yet you do not accept an apology. You have proven one thing to me. You speak the praise but you don't adhere to it unless it suits you. At least girl is apologizing but not you, its obviously beneath you to not only accept an apology from a girl but even offer to withdraw three words. You are even less the man that girl thought you are. Typical.

ModeratorEleven -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/17/2008 10:44:26 PM)
Ok you two, that's about enough. Take this spat to email if you like but you're done with it here. XI

IronBear -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 1:59:55 AM)
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LaTigresse -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 3:32:16 AM)
IB, I like your incorrigibility, irrespressibility and irreverense, an awful lot sometimes![:D] This thread, and a poster or two, just got wayyyyyyyy too emotionally invested. A little humour goes a long way towards shedding the light on that.

MarcEsadrian -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 8:31:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Well, I have no problem telling the Flat Earth Society they are wrong, but I fully support their right to go about being wrong until the day comes when they accidentally fall off the Earth. I feel the same about Fundamentalist Christians and Female Supremacists (Male Supremacists as well). Being somewhat notoriously non-politically correct, I think it's okay to tell people they are wrong just as long as your okay with letting them go about continuing to be wrong after the fact. (Okay, I lied about only contributing one thing to the thread) I just can't help but consider how so many believe anyone associating with any version of D/s are likewise part of that Flat Earth Society. Framed in such sure notions of right and wrong, their "politically incorrect" finger waving feels quite similar.

MadRabbit -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 8:51:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Well, I have no problem telling the Flat Earth Society they are wrong, but I fully support their right to go about being wrong until the day comes when they accidentally fall off the Earth. I feel the same about Fundamentalist Christians and Female Supremacists (Male Supremacists as well). Being somewhat notoriously non-politically correct, I think it's okay to tell people they are wrong just as long as your okay with letting them go about continuing to be wrong after the fact. (Okay, I lied about only contributing one thing to the thread) I just can't help but consider how so many believe anyone associating with any version of D/s are likewise part of that Flat Earth Society. Framed in such sure notions of right and wrong, their "politically incorrect" finger waving feels quite similar. I know. I have starkly conservative friends who argue with me all the time about why I should not be involved with the alternative lifestyle community and why it's wrong. They tell me I am wrong all the time. My best friend in Charleston is someone who is probably the closest thing to a true believer in Christ that I have ever met. We argue endlessly about religion where he tries to convince me I am wrong about being an Atheist and I do the same about him being a Christian. I've gone to Christian discussion groups with him where I was the only Atheist there and have had everyone pile on me. I can't tell you how many friends I have where I have gone round and round on the issue of homosexuality and deviant sexual desires. I know they are wrong in their opinion about sexual orientation being a choice and am going to argue with them, because it's an opinion that I believe needs to be reeducated. I take it, because I believe the things I do and believe in our right. If someone shakes me up and makes me reconsider my position, then it is a good thing, because maybe that position needs to be reconsidered. Hanging around people who believe the same things you do and are going to validate you on your beliefs is boring. I think we need the conflict that arises from that to grow. It also speaks to a lack of conviction to what you believe if you cannot stand the test of being told your "wrong". We have our opinions. We believe those opinions to be right. My friends and I care about each other which is why we try and convince the other person to come to our side. At the end, we usually leave the discussion with the same opinion and agree to disagree. We're okay with the other person being wrong. But still...the value of the conflict, for me, at least, has been immense. I understand more about Christianity then I did a year ago, I can understand why many people need faith and can respect them for having it without thinking they are a bunch of idiots, I understand and respect socially conservative positions more than I used to and don't demonize them, and I understand more about the objections and issues people have with deviant sexual practices which allows me to better explain things in the future. I can understand the ideology of "Live and Let Live". It certainly has it's place and needs to be taken into account in order to temper our actions. But the problem with that is that conflict breeds change and growth. Without the clash of opinions and disputes, we can't redefine how we see things and come to new understandings of the world around us. I'm okay with people telling me I am wrong and taking a stance against things I do, participate or believe in. Just as long as they leave it in the realm of opinion and argument and allow me to continue doing what they think is wrong as long as I believe it is right.

IronBear -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 9:13:34 AM)
I will stand by my beliefs and defend them vigorously. I will robustly debate the issues with you and if you show me where I am wrong in a manner which allows me to see this, and provided you allowed me to save face, I will willingly reconsider my stance and re-evaluate my beliefs on that matter. Not rocket science is it, Moral of this is: ALWAYS ALLOW THE OPPONENT TO SAVE FACE (PRIDE AND DIGNITY)

FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 11:00:02 AM)
Pay no attention to folks trying to belittle you on a message board... Or rather pay attention to the fact that everyone has pain they may want to share with you, and it's your choice whether you take on their baggage or say, I'll keep mine and you keep yours. The fact is that this is a kink site. This is not a site about scientific superiority of anyone or anything. I can judge everything the OP does as wrong, just as he/she does mine, who cares? Everyone wants to feel special, and so they come with the "explain to me why you would believe yourself worthy of ruling over anyone if you have tits/vagina." Paternal, male control, and male dominant instincts, are perfectly acceptable. This site isn't promoting the moral code for the masses, just a site for alternative relationships. Discussing the rightness or wrongness of why/how I should rule in my home as a female dominant, what should turn me on, etc. is silly unless these folks are paying my bills and ruling over my moral/ethical code. quote: IronBear ALWAYS ALLOW THE OPPONENT TO SAVE FACE (PRIDE AND DIGNITY) I hope she doesn't rely on the folks on these boards for her dignity and pride. Or at least if she does, even a little bit... I hope she searches first, and she'll probably find that, on any given day, and in any given year, many folks here do about face turns and look like they possess none of the above. M

CreativeDominant -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 2:28:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae The whole basis to the Gorean philosophy is that it is the World of Man, that women are to accept their place to be dominated by men. What girl is saying,'Forget that nonsense, there is no way in hell, this girl is going to be dominated by any man.' Girl will serve a mistress because it honors the goddess. To serve a mistress is a spiritual thing for me and girl would do so with every essence of my being. To even have me consider the Gorean philosophy are you out of your mind. Its not going to happen. It's not hatred. It's my beliefs and girl is being asked to consider the alternative. Not a friggin chance. Mistress or nothing. Actually, Aszhrae...you are being asked to consider and muse over and learn about an alternative WAY OF THINKING. You are not being asked to incorporate the belief system into your own and discard yours. You have noted in other threads your feelings towards men. Please do not generalize all of us as you only contradict yourself when you admit to AND point to the differences between individual women. That same uniqueness and individuality holds true for our gender. You seem to have a real hate for men. Not sure why but you are entitled to it. But surely, as the intelligent LaT pointed out, there are some that are good and decent, though flawed? I've had some dealings with women who were hell on wheels...vengeful ones, bitter ones, ones who only believe in making sure their side is heard, ones who feel that what they do is O.K. as long as it is them and not you doing it, cheating ones, etc.. Despite all those, I don't hate women nor do I think all women are the same.

persephonee -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 2:41:04 PM)
MR.... i know what you are talkin about when you mention your friend in Charleston and your discussions/debates. The best debater i ever met disagreed with me on several core issues...to the bone, we disagreed....i married her.

Observer20 -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 2:54:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant I agree that "Female Supremacy" is B.S. I also agree that the concept of "Male Supremacy" is B. S., though I disagree with another's statement on here that there are just as many male proponents of that theory; there may be but you certainly don't see it proclaimed at anywhere near the level in profiles here that you see "Female Supremacy proclaimed...by both the femdominants and many submissives". Maybe in the real world but I have to tell you, I live in a pretty conservative area and I've heard the idea expressed rarely. I really don't see any male supremacist profiles, and even they are, they don't compare to the level of hatred that is expressed by the estrogen nazis - and these same people wouldn't like it one bit if a man said something similar. But I have to say, it was great reading this thread. The two self proclaimed "female supremacists" proved my point for me! [:D]

colouredin -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 3:06:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Observer20 I really don't see any male supremacist profiles, and even they are, they don't compare to the level of hatred that is expressed by the estrogen nazis - and these same people would cry if a man said something similar. Yeah i think its just more subtle than that. The idea of Male Supremacy comes across in more every day things, no people dont proclaim it because its not politically correct to do so, that doesnt mean that it doesnt exsist. Its in the jokes people make, the assumptions people make, the media, general conversation, everywhere really.

persephonee -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 3:18:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: colouredin quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 Strippers as goddesses? Huh. I guess that to me perpetuating the myth *or reality I suppose in some cases, that women are commodoties to be purchased like ground beef, a few dollars for some pussy, they are not goddesses. Not to this feminist anyway. Not all strippers/lap dancers/pro Mistress are hookers. That is a very presumptuous statement. They may be in the sex game but thats not to say they are actually having sex for a few dollars. Sorry to be pedantic but it doesnt actually say that they are hookers, it says that they are commodities, which in fairness is what a stripper/lap dancer/Pro etc is doing, selling their femaleness more than anything else (i think Pro-mistresses are slightly differant but the first two not so much) On topic with the OP, i agree female supremecy is a stupid concept. Male supremecy is too although we tend to be far more likely to allow that to be subtly played out i would expand that thought even further and say that in general, women world wide...no matter the society are easily catagorized as chattel...which means that no matter the occupation per se...as long as a woman is "attractive" as society deems that to be, their worth increases exponentially....every girl who internalizes the Barbie concept also internalizes the sense of being a commodity...whether they later profit from that financially, or simply marry well...if it involves an interaction or exchange with men, then it simply reinforces that idea. Not a lifes truth...but more one of this worlds reality. And, i agree, no one gender is superior to the other(s).

oceanwynds -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 3:30:56 PM)
quote: And, i agree, no one gender is superior to the other(s). Me too persephonee Being superior is just an earth mentality, why waste my energy on it. oceanwynds

Aszhrae -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 3:39:31 PM)
If you feel so inclined to continue, then girl invites you to contact Orion and ask to get a hold of me privately, he was offered and he refused. Girl is not permitted to defend or offer reason for my feelings and thus girl will do as was requested and withdraw from this thread. My offer still stands as with many of my threads, you find offense with my opinion or beliefs then by all means contact me privately. If you wish to do so publicly in audience of my peers to judge and criticize as they have so many times before because they have little better to do with their time, count me out. Privately or not at all.

MarcEsadrian -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 3:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit I can understand the ideology of "Live and Let Live". It certainly has it's place and needs to be taken into account in order to temper our actions. But the problem with that is that conflict breeds change and growth. Without the clash of opinions and disputes, we can't redefine how we see things and come to new understandings of the world around us. I'm okay with people telling me I am wrong and taking a stance against things I do, participate or believe in. Just as long as they leave it in the realm of opinion and argument and allow me to continue doing what they think is wrong as long as I believe it is right. Respectful debate for the sake of mutual growth is quite a nice idea. I believe opening one's mind for "growth" is not always the goal on these internet chat boards, however. Are our minds open or have we already made them up? Even if we've made them up, do we have the grace to allow other forms of D/s to exist without flatly dismissing them as "wrong"?

MadRabbit -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/18/2008 3:53:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit I can understand the ideology of "Live and Let Live". It certainly has it's place and needs to be taken into account in order to temper our actions. But the problem with that is that conflict breeds change and growth. Without the clash of opinions and disputes, we can't redefine how we see things and come to new understandings of the world around us. I'm okay with people telling me I am wrong and taking a stance against things I do, participate or believe in. Just as long as they leave it in the realm of opinion and argument and allow me to continue doing what they think is wrong as long as I believe it is right. Respectful debate for the sake of mutual growth is quite a nice idea. I believe opening one's mind for "growth" is not always the goal on these internet chat boards, however. Are our minds open or have we already made them up? Even if we've made them up, do we have the grace to allow other forms of D/s to exist without flatly dismissing them as "wrong"? I understand where you are coming from and am not trying to negate the value of what you are saying. I suppose it depends. If we are talking "wrong" in the sense of immoral and unethical, then if someone had a degree of conviction to their moral or ethical code, then I would expect them to speak up and combat it. I can't necessarily fault that anymore then I can fault people who rally and protest against gay marriage or abortion. They are doing what they believe to be right. Getting mad at that is the social equivalent to cussing at the traffic cop for giving you a ticket. Whether their actions are misguided, however, is a different story. If we are talking "wrong" in the sense of "I have no moral or ethical argument to make, but I just don't like it", then I would consider that to be ignorant and might even have something to say about that, because I find them to be "wrong".

MarcEsadrian -> RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto (12/19/2008 10:23:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit I understand where you are coming from and am not trying to negate the value of what you are saying. I suppose it depends. If we are talking "wrong" in the sense of immoral and unethical, then if someone had a degree of conviction to their moral or ethical code, then I would expect them to speak up and combat it. I can't necessarily fault that anymore then I can fault people who rally and protest against gay marriage or abortion. They are doing what they believe to be right. Getting mad at that is the social equivalent to cussing at the traffic cop for giving you a ticket. Whether their actions are misguided, however, is a different story. If we are talking "wrong" in the sense of "I have no moral or ethical argument to make, but I just don't like it", then I would consider that to be ignorant and might even have something to say about that, because I find them to be "wrong". Very understandable, indeed. Though it's not always the case in my experience, I often see "moral" and "I just don't like it" arguments entangled as one in the same, but given your rationale of each system of argument, which one do you use regarding sex supremacy, particularly in reference to post #137? Or are you coming from another place altogether?

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