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popeye1250 -> Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 1:40:52 PM)

Oh boy, here we go again!   http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ny_senate_seat
*Beautiful People Alert!*
Yahoo News said last week that her "experience" was working part-time at a non-paid position for a charity. Which means she has even less experience than Sara Palin who was and is a sitting Governor!
Boy, those Kennedys, always wanting to "help out" their country!
Only never at a position at the bottom, always at the top!
The "Beautiful People" aren't like you and me.
They never have to struggle ~ shudder~ in life!
And we'll be told I'm sure what a "woman of the people" she is!
I think I was in the Navy while she was sailing around on Aristotle Onasis' yacht in the Greek Islands where I was with the Sixth Fleet, perhaps we passed each other like ships in the night!
So, she was a "Sailor", right?
I don't put any stock in that noise about having "experience", *anyone* in the Great State of New York is "qualified" to be a congressman, senator or president.
I don't know why Caroline thinks she can skip to the head of the line.
Hey, here's an idea for her campaign, she could distribute pictures of herself in jodphur riding boots and an English riding suit next to her horse!
That'll be a hit in Brooklyn and Buffalo, right?
Boy, the wealthy, priviledged "Beautiful People" are just waiting in the wings to help us all out aren't they?




sub4hire -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 1:42:23 PM)

Yep. requirements for the job.  "being born"

I don't know, guess she can't do as bad as some in office today.





popeye1250 -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 2:03:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Yep. requirements for the job.  "being born"

I don't know, guess she can't do as bad as some in office today.




Sub, but there are 19-20 million people in N.Y. state.
Well, she did go to Concord Academy, "Radcliff" and Columbia Law School. Yup, another lawyer! Boy, that just drips with the word, "priviledge."
"Concord Academy!" Jeese!
Oh, and she lives in a Penthouse on "Park Avenue" according to Wiki!
I wonder if she has a barbecue on the back porch of the Penthouse, she could have some of her prospective "constituants" from the Bronx over for a barby!
"Chataeu Rothchild anyone?"




kittinSol -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 2:13:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
"Chataeu Rothchild anyone?"


Château Mouton Rothschild [:-] ? You BETCHA!




Musicmystery -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 2:22:04 PM)

Hey popeye,

So far, all we have is a girl who wants to be. Certainly not my pick. We'll see.

I didn't get Liz Dole either. Or (speaking of governors) Jesse, Arnold, or for that matter, Ronnie.

But yes, we increasingly live in a class-driven society, we have for well over a century, and both major parties are grabbing power as if entitled.

AND, may I add, while the peasants from their respective parties simply cheer them on.







slaveboyforyou -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 2:50:34 PM)

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I didn't get Liz Dole either. Or (speaking of governors) Jesse, Arnold, or for that matter, Ronnie.

But yes, we increasingly live in a class-driven society, we have for well over a century, and both major parties are grabbing power as if entitled.


Well, big difference between all of them and Caroline Kennedy.  Jesse, Arnold, and Ronnie weren't exactly "blue bloods."  All three came from working class backgrounds and did well in their fields before going into politics.  I know what you'll say about Reagan, but he was the president of the Screen Actors Guild (a HUGE labor union.) 

As for Elizabeth Dole, she didn't start off at the top.  She worked her way up through the ranks starting in Johnson's administration (believe it or not).  For fuck's sake she was Secretary of Transportation and then the president of the Red Cross.  In case you didn't know it the Red Cross does a little more than throwing fundraising dinners in the Hamptons, which is what Caroline is an "expert" at.   





kittinSol -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 3:01:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
In case you didn't know it the Red Cross does a little more than throwing fundraising dinners in the Hamptons, which is what Caroline is an "expert" at.   


I look at it this way: at least, Caro won't be an embarrassment at official functions.




popeye1250 -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 3:03:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
In case you didn't know it the Red Cross does a little more than throwing fundraising dinners in the Hamptons, which is what Caroline is an "expert" at.   


I look at it this way: at least, Caro won't be an embarrassment at official functions.


Kittin, neither would 19-20 million other people in New York State.




kittinSol -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 3:08:01 PM)

Pah! All they can do is eat hotdogs full of mustard with their hands and guzzle coffee from juggernauts. At least, Caro knows how to handle herself with a pile of oysters and a flute of Champagne.




Aynne88 -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 3:11:27 PM)

kittin the first time I had a NYC "dirty water" hotdog I almost died. uck...[:'(] Disgusting.

I bought 18 Pemaquid oysters this afternoon from the peddler, yumyum. Just a little lemon, and that is all they need!
I think Ms. Kennedy is a perfect choice. [:)]




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 3:13:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Yep. requirements for the job.  "being born"

I don't know, guess she can't do as bad as some in office today.




Sub, but there are 19-20 million people in N.Y. state.
Well, she did go to Concord Academy, "Radcliff" and Columbia Law School. Yup, another lawyer! Boy, that just drips with the word, "priviledge."
"Concord Academy!" Jeese!
Oh, and she lives in a Penthouse on "Park Avenue" according to Wiki!
I wonder if she has a barbecue on the back porch of the Penthouse, she could have some of her prospective "constituants" from the Bronx over for a barby!
"Chataeu Rothchild anyone?"
Which Rothschild, Lafite or Mouton? Not that I'd turn either one down, but I like the labels on Mouton's bottles.

I'm a Burgundy/Pinot Noir man, myself. Masculine wines.




kittinSol -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 3:15:15 PM)

And your new picture, my dear, is to die for: gorgeous enough for a seat in the senate :-) . Bye bye, ugly old men!




Cagey18 -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 3:42:23 PM)

Saw an excellent reply on this topic last week:

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Honestly, It's Not Rocket Science
Added by Mark Nickolas on Dec 8, 2008
Without a doubt, we would all be much better served if all 535 Senators and Representatives were the smartest, most insightful, courageous, selfless people we could find. That would be ideal. But the truth is they aren't. Not even close. And having spent more than a decade around these people -- there's nothing so difficult about the job Representative or Senator that someone as impressive as Caroline Kennedy couldn't master in short order, if not on Day 1.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying anyone is suited to serve in Congress. The job is demanding, it takes a particular skill set to master things like debate, public speaking, digesting information and analyses, campaigning, and asking strangers for money. And the work they do is of critical importance.

But I find it insulting and annoying that these political and media blowhards even think for a moment that the job is so complicated and technically difficult that a Caroline Kennedy might be out-of-her league if appointed. It's such utter nonsense that I find myself annoyed by it all.

The truth is, the real hard part of Congress is done by the staffers and career people. They do the tough work. They do the numbers crunching, the public policy analysis, the writing of crucial and complicated legislation, the constituent outreach and case work. That's the hard part. Serving as a member of Congress is not like being a governor of a state or, obviously, President of the United States. Those are hard jobs where the elected official is largely responsible for running an actual government on his/her own. (Side note: the effort by some to compare her to Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) is equally misplaced. Palin was running to be the possible next president [i.e., a hard job], not one of 100 senators.).

I have had the honor of working with and getting to know some incredibly talented and brilliant people who serve in the House or Senate. My political career was built on the lessons learned from spending years with people like Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) and Rep. Ben Chandler (D-KY). But we should not confuse the fact that while there are many brilliant people in Congress, who bring a distinct skill set, the job itself doesn't require a Ph.D. to master. There are more than a handful of especially unimpressive members who demonstrate that you can get by with limited skills.

After all, we are talking about a Congress that sent us into a war that cost us more than 4,000 American military lives and about a trillion dollars, even though no weapons of mass destruction existed. That same Congress can't balance a budget, stand-up to an abysmally unpopular president who happily skirted the boundaries of lawfulness for many years, and who seem wholly incapable of making tough and courageous decisions that the American public expects of them.

Nevertheless, despite the remarkable life that Caroline Kennedy has lived...despite her Harvard undergraduate degree and Columbia Law School degree...despite her being an attorney, an editor, and a published author...despite that our next president trusted her to co-lead his search for a vice president...despite coming from one of the greatest families ever to serve in the United States Congress... we have to sit and listen to members of this Beltway fraternity (and sorority) bluster that she might not be qualified to become 1 of 100 in the Senate. Seriously?

The pundits spew a great deal of nonsense on any given day. But this one might actually take the cake. And if I didn't know better, I might think there was a bit of misogyny wrapped-up in the analysis. Not only do I not recall the same criticism being leveled at the idea that her cousin -- Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. -- might seek the appointment, or someday run for the job -- but I sort of recall some of the same arguments made about Hillary Clinton's own run for this seat eight years ago.

Finally, I'm not saying that experience doesn't matter. Clearly, it does. We want the best experience we can get in a candidate for any public office, and Kennedy would have to defend hers in a 2010 special election. That is a legitimate question for her opponent to raise. But when it comes to filling a Senate vacancy in New York, I find this whole discussion more than nauseating, especially considering the sources.

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=5578
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awmslave -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 4:18:24 PM)

"Nevertheless, despite the remarkable life that Caroline Kennedy has lived...despite her Harvard undergraduate degree and Columbia Law School degree...despite her being an attorney, an editor, and a published author...despite that our next president trusted her to co-lead his search for a vice president...despite coming from one of the greatest families ever to serve in the United States Congress... we have to sit and listen to members of this Beltway fraternity (and sorority) bluster that she might not be qualified to become 1 of 100 in the Senate. Seriously?"

BS. The reply rather proves we have a good-looking woman grown up in a bubble, no idea how real World looks like she will sopposedly serve in near future.




awmslave -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 4:24:38 PM)

Other thought: isn't  it the problem with majority of Congress (serving their own agenda and coroprate donors)?




Evility -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 4:35:05 PM)

I don't think that Caroline is unqualified for the position. I'm just sick to death of all the political families that we have int his country. I am not a Barack Obama fan and I'm not encouraged over how he might run things but one thing he did accomplish was to remove the hold that two families - two families - have had on the White House for twenty years.

Twenty years. That's a long damn time.

Could Caroline do very well as a senator? Quite possibly so. I'm just freaking tired of Kennedy this and Bush that and Clinton this. The politics of the privileged.




Musicmystery -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 4:45:46 PM)

Well said, E!




popeye1250 -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 4:53:36 PM)

Yeah, people like CK have never interacted with the "hoi poloi."
Except maybe with the "maid" or "butler" or the catering manager or people like that!
They look down on the neuvo rich.
If you were to drop them off in Queens or....Utica they'd be lost.
They simply don't interact with "normal" people.
Plus, she's a lawyer.
The House and Senate is *loaded* with lawyers!
Do we really need anymore lawyers in Washington?
I think we should put a limit on how many members can be of a certain job description.
I wouldn't want the congress "loaded up" with truck drivers or real estate agents either. Guess what kind of "favorable legislation" we'd seeing comming out of Washington then.
You don't "need" to be a lawyer to serve in congress.
Congressmen and senators are supposed to represent The People.
I just think that it's probably a good idea for a congressman or senator to be "of The People" and know the neighborhoods, towns, and cities of their state and be "like" The People.
There's a very good hardscrabble congressman in N.Y. by the name of Peter King who should be an obvious choice.
He's probably eaten more corn beef and cabbage and roast beef dinners at the Elks and American Legion halls and given more speeches than CK ever will.




kittinSol -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 4:59:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
"hoi polloi."


Woah, popeye, I'm impressed that you know Greek :-) .




subrob1967 -> RE: Caroline Kennedy to seek New York Senate Seat. (12/15/2008 5:39:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Pah! All they can do is eat hotdogs full of mustard with their hands and guzzle coffee from juggernauts. At least, Caro knows how to handle herself with a pile of oysters and a flute of Champagne.

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ORIGINAL:Aynne88   I bought 18 Pemaquid oysters this afternoon from the peddler, yumyum. Just a little lemon, and that is all they need!
I think Ms. Kennedy is a perfect choice. [:)]

And you guys ask if a third party is viable..tsk tsk




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