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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:08:23 AM   
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Season Nine.

Third to last episode,titled "Trapped In The Closet"

Yes it`s a cartoon,but SP had done one of the best,most honest explanations of Scientology.

Enjoy.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:14:56 AM   
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I know that some of the biggest stars in Hollywood are very devoted and I just have to wonder how such seemingly intelligent people could get so caught up in it.


The key words are highlighted in italics.


Exactly. I remember, as a younger and more naive person, thinking that movie stars were somehow better and smarter than the rest of us.

Then I met many of them. My bubble was popped, the illusion gone........sob.


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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:15:46 AM   
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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:23:15 AM   
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Then I met many of them.


You didn't expect to make a statement like that and to not have us hound you for details, did you  ?

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:37:05 AM   
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They used to start out with a personality test... on the streets of Hollywood. That is where I ran into them.  They presented it as fun and my husband wanted to play along and see what it was about.  Once they have this personal information about you, they work on YOU and the things you say in the test and draw you in from that...

That's how it went for me, too, only it was in Boston in the 1970s. Long story, but the short version is that when I told the guy it "sounds okay, so I'll think about it overnight and get back to ya tomorrow", he called for backup and I found myself surrounded by 4 or 5 of them, trying to browbeat me into commiting right then and there. When I told them to fuck off and got up to leave, one of them actually blocked the door so I had to grab him and throw him out of the way. Sheesh!

They're almost as bad as zombies.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:41:46 AM   
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They used to start out with a personality test... on the streets of Hollywood. That is where I ran into them.  They presented it as fun and my husband wanted to play along and see what it was about.  Once they have this personal information about you, they work on YOU and the things you say in the test and draw you in from that...

That's how it went for me, too, only it was in Boston in the 1970s. Long story, but the short version is that when I told the guy it "sounds okay, so I'll think about it overnight and get back to ya tomorrow", he called for backup and I found myself surrounded by 4 or 5 of them, trying to browbeat me into commiting right then and there. When I told them to fuck off and got up to leave, one of them actually blocked the door so I had to grab him and throw him out of the way. Sheesh!


That about sums it up.  If you challenge them you always have more coming at you.  They were very forceful and tried to be intimidating.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:44:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds a lot more like a cult than a religion. Er....wait a minute....I guess that MOST organized religions are really a lot like cults when I think about it.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:47:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I asked about the church status... I was told they went with it being religion so they could be tax exempt.  I didn't like them from the personality test and wanted to walk away, but my husband wanted to get into it.  He learned to trust me much more after that one! lol  They monitor the doors too... you go in and someone is standing there to greet you and lead you.  So if you want to leave... they are right there and that is why I didn't get out the door.  They will kindly take you by the arm, talking in your face and lead you to the people who try to convince you of not leaving and then if you still want to leave, they use the threats.  (Just my experience with them)

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:48:40 AM   
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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 9:50:23 AM   
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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 11:58:04 AM   
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It sounds a lot more like a cult than a religion. Er....wait a minute....I guess that MOST organized religions are really a lot like cults when I think about it.

I'm an atheist, and I couldn't disagree more with this sweeping statement.  I've been to Presbyterian churches, Methodist churches, Unitarian churches, Episcopalian churches, Catholic churches, Baptist churches, Jewish synagogues...

and none has ever browbeat me into joining, or blocked the doors if I tried to leave, or made me talk to someone else before I could leave.


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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 12:07:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		they try to recruit people on the streets of london, particularly in covent garden market.  This perky young girlie joined my table when I was having coffee alone and tried to talk me into taking the personality test.

I told her I would, if I could get an entire back catalogue of their founder's scifi library

When that wasn't enough to see her off, I added that I thought Isaac Asimov was an AWESOME writer and that any religion he founded couldn't be wrong.  Unlike L Ron Hubbard, who was a semi-literate prick.

That worked.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 12:42:53 PM   
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I'm surprised she knew who L. Ron was.  Do they still revere that chain-smoking misogynist jerk?

IIRC, L. Ron is one of the few authors who sold more books after he died than before.  Hordes of Scientologists were told to buy his books to get them on the best seller lists.  Then a month or so later there'd be stacks of them at used book stores.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 12:47:20 PM   
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And I'm guessing L Ron's little followers didn't have wobbly tables or open fires....or those secondhand bookshops would be far less full of third-rate fiction!

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 12:50:38 PM   
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L. Ron is one of the few authors who sold more books after he died than before. 


Not defending the guy, but I doubt this is true.

Shakespeare? Dickens? Lawrence? Joyce?

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 12:53:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was a really famous documentory on scientology in Britain a few yers ago, the journalist himself got visably angry upset and threatened by certain leaders to discredit him and keep the 'religion' secret.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 1:01:56 PM   
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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 1:40:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing is, there are some very sharp, effective elements to Dianetics, the psychological tenets of Scientology.  This is how they have been so effective in using their understanding to ill ends, by using them to control and manipulate an extensive cult, successfully. 

Lockit is so right, about this:

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The Hollywood set is different.  They have a church for the star's and they see a far different thing than what can be seen in other churches like the one I was in. 


I had a friend who had been in the elite part of their organization, where they show their best face to high profile people who can do them some good.  By the time I knew him, my friend had already expanded his practice of therapy to include other methods.  But there was no denying, he knew how to use the best of what he'd learned from Dianetics, very effectively in therapy, and in his understanding of people, in general.  He was extraordinarily sharp and able to cut to the quick of people's behaviour and their motives.

I remember once, he decided to visit the local branch of their organization, where we lived, at the time.  Expecting the real concern and serious therapy he'd been used to, he was...I think the words shocked, offended, and appalled would do...to see what an average branch of that org has to offer.

So, sometime, if you have a chance to buy a second-hand copy of some primer on Dianetics, or read online, you might find it useful.  Just don't contact them.

Does anyone else remember seeing a documentary on TV, years ago, investigating people who had left Scientology and were being seriously persecuted by them?  It was a very credible report - was it Frontline or Bill Moyer's Journal or another reputable source? 

By the way, when you ask, 'what is Scientology?', what they used to stress was that they were a science, not a religion.  But they found that they could not claim, legally, to be licensed therapists, and of course, being deemed a religion offers so much protection for a myriad of ills, plus a tax break.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 2:45:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think what bothers me the most about scientology.....is that if some random person treated you like this or brainwashed people as some of you are saying (that isnt me doubting it, i do believe you!) no one would have issue with reporting them to the police.  but since its a CHURCH, they can claim religious freedom.  that is truly disturbing.

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RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? - 12/16/2008 3:13:59 PM   
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L. Ron is one of the few authors who sold more books after he died than before. 


Not defending the guy, but I doubt this is true.

Shakespeare? Dickens? Lawrence? Joyce?


Oops, meant to say "published more books".  Amazing how there were all those manuscripts lying around.

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