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ElectraGlide -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/16/2008 10:44:07 PM)

Tom Cruise in action ? ? ? ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5qOS4Q39sg






BbwCanaDomme -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/16/2008 11:14:28 PM)

My film school was across the street from the church of scientology, at which point I found out that they actively pursue people in the film industry (whether they're makeup artists, production assistants, or actors/directors, it doesn't really matter. More than one told me that it was a great way to make contacts haha, unfortunately for them, I had already heard the Spielberg/Cruise awesome scientology story). Anyways, I didn't want to make a blanket judgement without getting to know what their belief system was, so I bought a copy of Dianetics, and attended quite a few information nights, as well as taking the iq and personality tests/e-meter readings. This is what I learned about Scientology;

1. Regardless of what you may think, Scientologists are not bad people. They're very adament about their belief system, and get really passionate when you tell them you disagree with their theology, but for the most part they are nice. Much like Jehovah's Witnesses and Evangelical Christians, they're annoying, but harmless. Individual members make an effort to recruit because they genuinely want to help people, not to make money for the church.

2. Dianetics is partially written in trance inducing text. the instructions at the beginning of the book are (and I'm paraphrasing), "if you don't understand something, re-read it until it makes sense." One of the first paragraphs is 5 sentences long and uses the term Scientific fact 7 times. I have no idea what that paragraph was about, but when I think back to it, I automatically associate it with being a scientific fact. It's a mild form of brainwashing.

3. Many many many Scientologists are gay. A large chunk of the actors you have heard about who are Scientologists are gay. One way the church attracts members is by promising to "cure" homosexuality.

4. Many suffer from mental illness. It's easier for a lot of people to accept that there's an alien spirit inside of them making them sad/act out, than it is to accept that it's something wrong with them.

5. They're pretty much the same as the other religions out there, only newer, and with a better grasp of capitalism. Think Catholicism, only with better business sense and aliens instead of zombies. Like all religions, it's pretty much just a self help program (and some of their programs I personally think are a lot better for people than those promoted by other churches. People who implement Scientology practices without being involved with the religious aspect seem to do really well).




heartcream -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/16/2008 11:59:20 PM)

I dont know the details but a friend of mine told me that actually the author was appalled and opposed to the direction the people were taking Scientology. I think he may have told me there was even some conspiracy about his death. I could be wrong on these points but that was the impression I was given, that Hubbard didnt intend any of that part of it.

In the 70's they had tables set up outside their Church on the main street downtown. I was like 18 and sat at the table at their request and did the personality test. I didnt like the test or the vibe around that place at all it rubbed me the wrong way like I was allergic to it.

I tried to read the book once or twice but I couldnt get into it pretty much at all.




Vendaval -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 12:18:33 AM)

Sales and marketing




Vendaval -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 12:23:10 AM)

That explains why I see so many copies at garage sales and used book stores, always wondered about that.


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ORIGINAL: Cagey18
Hordes of Scientologists were told to buy his books to get them on the best seller lists.  Then a month or so later there'd be stacks of them at used book stores.




ScooterTrash -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 1:23:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

It sounds a lot more like a cult than a religion. Er....wait a minute....I guess that MOST organized religions are really a lot like cults when I think about it.
Pretty much sums it up. Leaders, followers, do this or "X" will happen...yep, about the same. 




Naga -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 1:35:25 AM)

By definition, any religion is a cult.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 1:58:26 AM)

Most of you are waaaaay too young to have had anything to do with the Jesus Freaks.

Forget about that stupid Wiki entry on it. The Jesus Freaks sent out some really hot babes to suck in guys who were lonely, or off-balance, whatever. They took advantage of that temporary instability by having people have communal feasts with them, sucked in by the hotties, and people would end up pledging all they owned to the cult.

How do I know this? I explored everything, from SDS to LSD to Krishna to Children of God to damn near everything else. I missed EST and Scientology, because they were such obvious bullshit cults.

I don't give a shit if the righties want to hear this or not, but the most honest, up-front, real people were those who used Lysergic as a Sacrament.  The forerunners of the modern Repubs were basically snakes. Even then it was anything for a buck. And they spent so much time dodging the draft. Scum. Cowards. The best people of that generation were either killed in the Nam or dropped out to the point that they were ineffectual politically.

The Repubs are composed of second-rate minds and the idiots who follow them.




BbwCanaDomme -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 1:59:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

I dont know the details but a friend of mine told me that actually the author was appalled and opposed to the direction the people were taking Scientology. I think he may have told me there was even some conspiracy about his death. I could be wrong on these points but that was the impression I was given, that Hubbard didnt intend any of that part of it.

In the 70's they had tables set up outside their Church on the main street downtown. I was like 18 and sat at the table at their request and did the personality test. I didnt like the test or the vibe around that place at all it rubbed me the wrong way like I was allergic to it.

I tried to read the book once or twice but I couldnt get into it pretty much at all.


Pretty much. Scientologists are the goreans of the religious world. Both groups base their lives off of books written by authors who find them sad and didn't write the books with the intention of having people base their lives off of them. Also, both authors wrote shitty science fiction :)

However there's also the rumour that Hubbard started Scientology as a bet. I don't really believe that would be the case considering he hadn't been overly successful with his pre-scientology writing.




BbwCanaDomme -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 2:02:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Most of you are waaaaay too young to have had anything to do with the Jesus Freaks.

Forget about that stupid Wiki entry on it. The Jesus Freaks sent out some really hot babes to suck in guys who were lonely, or off-balance, whatever. They took advantage of that temporary instability by having people have communal feasts with them, sucked in by the hotties, and people would end up pledging all they owned to the cult.



This still sort of happens but on a less scary scale. We just call them the whores for Jesus. A friend of mine's band was on tour, and they a few stops in southern states. Anyways, more than once he was approached by an impossibly hot girl, dressed like a ho, who would flirt mercilessly, then invite him to her church the next day haha. Most of the pamphlets he brought back were the standard evangelical bullshit.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 2:16:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

Most of you are waaaaay too young to have had anything to do with the Jesus Freaks.

Forget about that stupid Wiki entry on it. The Jesus Freaks sent out some really hot babes to suck in guys who were lonely, or off-balance, whatever. They took advantage of that temporary instability by having people have communal feasts with them, sucked in by the hotties, and people would end up pledging all they owned to the cult.



This still sort of happens but on a less scary scale. We just call them the whores for Jesus. A friend of mine's band was on tour, and they a few stops in southern states. Anyways, more than once he was approached by an impossibly hot girl, dressed like a ho, who would flirt mercilessly, then invite him to her church the next day haha. Most of the pamphlets he brought back were the standard evangelical bullshit.
Not quite the same thing. In fact, nowhere near the same thing. http://www.rickross.com/groups/family.html




angelikaJ -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 6:03:06 AM)

FR

"As reported to Mike Jittlov by Theodore Sturgeon as a statement Hubbard made while at the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society clubhouse in the 1940s. Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Scientology




ItalianSMistress -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 6:21:43 AM)

I went and saw Religulous when it came out, and I was really hoping that Bill would have talked to someone from that "Church".  He missed a few of the religions that I thought he would have gotten to.  But I was really curious about Scientology, because everytime I hear something about it, all I can think is:  Do people really believe this?  And if they do, does that make them insane?
Even though I am Catholic, I am not one that has things against others, to each their own, but that just seems so off the wall, I dont even understand it really.  I have never been able to look at someone the same once I find out that this is what they believe.  I feel bad saying that, but it is true......




slaveboyforyou -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/17/2008 6:35:59 AM)

I never read Dianetics but I did read Battlefield Earth when I was really, really bored once.  I got it in a box of books I paid a dollar for at a yard sale.  It is one of the worst stories I've ever read.  As far as science fiction goes; L. Ron Hubbard makes John Norman look like Jules Verne with that tedious piece of shit.  L. Ron Hubbard is the Ed Wood of science fiction writers.  Battlefield Earth is so bad, it's actually laugh out loud funny.  I laughed extra hard when I heard John Travolta was bringing that piece of shit to the silver screen.  I couldn't fucking believe it.  [:D]

To this day, I don't see how Hubbard hoodwinked so many people with his writing.  It's beyond terrible. 




GreatSunJester -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/18/2008 7:40:06 PM)

This will probably offend some people but the biggest 'problem' with all religions is that they are run by humans. On paper, religion works great but it is when humans and their imperfections, egos and baises get involved that things deteriorate.




kittinSol -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/18/2008 7:52:43 PM)

How does religion 'work great on paper' [8D] ?




DMFParadox -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/18/2008 8:20:11 PM)

I took their emotion test; I qualified as a certifiable sociopath, according to their methods. The woman who brought my results actually edged into the room and kept one foot outside the door.  I also qualified as an off-the-charts genius on their IQ test, which results they gave me at the same time. Personally, I'm certain that both results were crap science, and I'm not just saying that out of humility. But it was fun to ham up the Hannibal for these guys for a few minutes...

Well, Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?





GreedyTop -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/18/2008 8:20:48 PM)

*SNORT*




MarsBonfire -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/18/2008 9:06:34 PM)

The bar room bet was between L. Ron Hubbard and Robert Heinlien. Each was to create their own religion. This took place during one of the early Worldcons, with several other well known science fiction professionals in witness to the bet. The result was Dieanetics by Hubbard (which fucks people up to this day) and Stranger in a Strange Land by Heinlien... (which you may remember was a book that influenced the thinking of Charlie Manson)

You can Google around the net and find several accounts of this story by various authors... all of whom tell pretty much the same thing.

Basing your life around the works of some two bit pulp hack is a sign of mental illness, if you ask me. Doesn't matter if it's L. Ron Hubbard, John Norman, or J.K. fucking Rowling... it's stupid! But hell, thare are people out there creating religions based on "Battlestar Galactica" fer chrissakes!




MarsBonfire -> RE: What's the real skinny on Scientology? (12/18/2008 9:12:22 PM)

BTW, if you want a more detailed account of the bet, how it went down, and some of the events that took place in the formative years of this "religion" you might pick up the book "The Dreams Our Stuff is Made Of" by Thomas M. Disch. Primarily Chapter 7 "When You Wish Upon a Star- Science Fiction as Religion" concens this subject. But the whole book is a facinating read.




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