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Modern Media - 12/17/2008 6:13:24 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		In 1859 it was predicted that photography would be able to visually document future wars correctly by generating precise documentation of battles, fortifications, landscapes, soldiers and military officers (from Mary Warner's; Photography, a cultural history). Louis Daguerre the creator of the first commercial photographic process and successful camera, the daguerrotype said that; images produced by the camera were an absolute truth and infinately more accurate than any painting by the human hand. Photography was assumed by the general public to be accurate and was taken as a mechanical impression of reality, i.e, the camera never lies.

Oh but it does, it can do anything the photographer desires of it and yes, totally distort truth. The first instance of this was the work of Haley Sims and Alexander Gardner of the American civil war period for the tableau; Soldiers of the Battlefield and later; The Home of the sharpshooter, Battlefield images were taken after the battle and arranged such that the general public saw the horror of war away from the golden reports of the past, the first anti war imagery.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/cwphtml/cwpcam/cwcam1.html

Zoom on a hundred years or so, reportage photography, made famous in the Vietnam period, anti war imagery at it's best, the works of Tim Page, combining gritty realism with artistry;

http://timpageimage.com.au/index.php?node=image&page=display&directory=Nam/

The present day, photography is everywhere, everyone or near everyone has access to an image capturing device, or at least can get one and with the change in media to digital, the modern world is there anything that is not documented.

And so the use of photography has become an important tool in the education of the general public, the belief that the camera never lies is used to political advantage, imagery is staged and manipulated to tell a story and this fact is used very much by those who have reason to manipulate the viewer in the direction they want them to go, digital imagery is the worst for this, as images can be altered by adding or subtracting pixels in editing programs, very easily and by anyone.

Given this fact that modern photography is even easier to fake, who actually believes the camera never lies ?

What about reportage photography, are we being manipulated by photography, to believe something is as is seen, not necessarily how it was taken, Is public oppinion being steered by clever and creative media specialists ?

Or do you go by the old adage, believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see, if you do how do you discern truth in an increasingly false world ?

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 7:26:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		You don't even need fancy morphing programs and such to decieve. You can do alot with framing, just making sure what you want "on camera" or "off camera". You can do alot more editing motion video, or even audio, by taking things out of context.

Deception actually, not prostitution is indeed the world's oldest profession. There is no reason at all to think anything would change now.

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 7:46:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		that Vietnam picture got me in trouble when I posted it on the front page of one of my yahoo groups.   never mind that the very same picture had been on the cover of national geographic a few decades back.

the telecoms are in a race the control the pipe.  this means phone, tv, internet, cell phone ..you name it.   funny we pay 4x for what they really could do with just one utility.

worse yet- is the same forces that medicratised TV, and pushing on the web, and with in our lifetime will win.   the net will become medicre and lame...just like the TV.

the irony is, is everyday people simply stopped adding posts, etc, then the net would fizzle out into non-relevent.  it is only relevent because it is timely.  but when that factor is destroyed, and we are heading there.... then too bad.  How many smashing webpages do you still look at from 1998???

google, youtube, IPTV, and the RIAA are all currently in a fight for market...   just watch.  youtube which content is about to be commoditied by the telecoms...  they will own it and if you take your own work, the RIAA will fine you!

the good news is, with the economy, many will cancel all these 'services"

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 8:45:58 AM   
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believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see, if you do how do you discern truth in an increasingly false world ?

Look at two extreme opposites and take the average, truth finding  is a mathematical exercise of comparing more than one source of information.


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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 9:16:07 AM   
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how do you discern truth in an increasingly false world ?


.....there's a fallacy in that last bit. It's not an increasingly false world. Falsehoods have been with us since the dawn of time. Just because we have a new technique for creating falsehood doesn't necessarily mean there is actually more falsehood. Just that those who distort reality have a new tool.
Beyond testable axioms, there is always an element of perception in all matters of truth/lies. Always has been. How else could people of good faith argue about things?

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 9:21:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aneirin you're just too jaded...I believe most of what I see on the media with a free press. I don't believe what is in the media in a closed, state controlled society.

But I've said this over and over...a free press will always reflect the views of its buyers or sponsors...or it will not stay in business. So all news is filtered through this view of the world.

This is why the same news with the same facts will be presented  and perceived differently even within free societies. For instance news in the UK is often given a different bent than the same news in Kansas.

Butch

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:03:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		...I see his point.  In this teck age, we falsely believe we are completely informed. 

..I wont turn on  the TV,  so during the "crises" of the day, I would be glued to the TV.  mesmerized.   vicariously living the flood, bomb, fire, you name it.

We lose equilibrium by the gadgetry.  we in effect WORSHIP the TV, which tells us to SHOP till you cant.
life is measured today by a dollar sign.  the person be damned that distractions harm any type of focus.  

When was the last OMG moment you had with you loved one?   ???   how about stopping to smell a flower? watch a sunset? watch a squeiiral?

watch a babbling brook.

No.  We prefer lucifer,lumin,luminatti,  lights behind a screen. 

the thing is we are so very highly distracted.    10 fold.

when computers came out, we thought we were smart.  but now those old clunky white monitors look  cheap and dumb.   yet we posed with these gadgets as tho we caught a huge fish that day.  :-)

everything is relative I suppose.  but the Soviets were right.  the Americans will buy the rope, that will be used to hang themself.    We did.  Many dont know it yet...but they are scheduled to riot.  and riot big.   too bad I couldnt figure out the market for that... and make a fortune.

size up the Amish.   they are not around all the electric gadgets.   they work hard. they refuse many conveninces.   they dont take social security number.  they have the cleanest blood in the country!     the globalists tho make money when tribes such as this are "westernized".

we, the folks, are...that poor rich kid that everyone back in school felt sorry for. 

--> the kicker is WE LET IT HAPPEN!   we are complicit in our own demise!    shame on us.

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:25:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The argument against the existence of the Illuminati is the fact you aren’t dead yet for exposing their sinister plan.
 
If someone airbrushed out the pyramids would anyone believe they didn't exist?


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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:32:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		The world isn't increasingly false.  It just is.  It's no falser now than it was a hundred years back.  In fact, go back a few hundred years to find how much falsehood existed without the media or communication devices we have now.  They were dunking people as witches back then you know.
 
Don't try and make the world a more negative place than it is.  It hasn't really altered, people are still people and images are just that, their representation.
 
Of course the camera never lies.  It cannot.  In the same way that guns don't kill people.
Both are tools.  It's the way people that use them that matter.
 
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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:37:39 AM   
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Aneirin you're just too jaded...I believe most of what I see on the media with a free press. I don't believe what is in the media in a closed, state controlled society.



He isn't jaded, you are entirely too innocent.

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But I've said this over and over...a free press will always reflect the views of its buyers or sponsors...or it will not stay in business. So all news is filtered through this view of the world.



They have have gone beyond that, now they program the world that watches them. Go without major media in your home for a few years and you will find that you move more and more out of the main stream. You will see exactly how the masses are manipulated and steered. This last election was a very blatant example of that.

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:39:02 AM   
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True: when someone first thought smoke signals were a good communication device for danger they hadn't counted on accidental house fires. Since these early days communications have often been confused.

The first caveman wasn't even a caveman. How many caves are there compared to historical caveman? I put it to you all that cave men fuelled the first housing crisis due to the small number of caves compared to the large number of cavemen.
 

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:41:18 AM   
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The argument against the existence of the Illuminati is the fact you aren’t dead yet for exposing their sinister plan.

If someone airbrushed out the pyramids would anyone believe they didn't exist?



There are some who do exactly that all the time with a variety of subjects. Those who are in control are simply don't care about the few who know and understand any more. When you have an avalanche, what do you care when a few pebbles go off path? The vast majority heads right where you sent them. The few can't stop it, even if they wanted to.

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:49:16 AM   
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Of course the camera never lies.  It cannot.  In the same way that guns don't kill people.
Both are tools.  It's the way people that use them that matter.


Excellent analogy, and I completely agree.

It's the way the tool is used and not the tool itself. Just like hands: hands can nurture, love, bring prosperity, or they can cause chaos, destruction, and death.

*edited for spelling.*


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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:56:01 AM   
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Aneirin you're just too jaded...I believe most of what I see on the media with a free press. I don't believe what is in the media in a closed, state controlled society.



He isn't jaded, you are entirely too innocent.

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But I've said this over and over...a free press will always reflect the views of its buyers or sponsors...or it will not stay in business. So all news is filtered through this view of the world.



They have have gone beyond that, now they program the world that watches them. Go without major media in your home for a few years and you will find that you move more and more out of the main stream. You will see exactly how the masses are manipulated and steered. This last election was a very blatant example of that.



I have media in the family...lol... no one is guiding them but ratings. People who believe a great evil is guiding the masses behind the scenes have been watching too much television themselves.

Butch

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:56:03 AM   
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Aneirin you're just too jaded...I believe most of what I see on the media with a free press. I don't believe what is in the media in a closed, state controlled society.



He isn't jaded, you are entirely too innocent.

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But I've said this over and over...a free press will always reflect the views of its buyers or sponsors...or it will not stay in business. So all news is filtered through this view of the world.



They have have gone beyond that, now they program the world that watches them. Go without major media in your home for a few years and you will find that you move more and more out of the main stream. You will see exactly how the masses are manipulated and steered. This last election was a very blatant example of that.



Agree and agree. I have lived two years without a television. I have caught snippets of news broadcasts during that time period, and WOW, what a circus! Fox News here in the States is the WORST culprit. I have also noticed my anger level has decreased dramatically.

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 10:58:48 AM   
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There are some who do exactly that all the time with a variety of subjects. Those who are in control are simply don't care about the few who know and understand any more. When you have an avalanche, what do you care when a few pebbles go off path? The vast majority heads right where you sent them. The few can't stop it, even if they wanted to.

True but...
 
No system can be brought to its knees by external influences, the challenge is to get inside the system without having your morality corrupted by it. 
 
Maybe one random person such as pahunkboy could convince another to take down the system from the inside thus any kind of negative commentary about the system is threatening to the system and needs to be dealt with.
 
Some are not so overt with their opposition.



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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 11:42:20 AM   
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I have media in the family...lol... no one is guiding them but ratings. People who believe a great evil is guiding the masses behind the scenes have been watching too much television themselves.

Butch


Sorry, but the news media doesn't care about ratings, after all, they are reporting the news, right?

But also realize that ratings are a "pay to play" system, they do not operate as a public service. They help keep an eye on the how people are responding. Trying looking at how the ratings information is used sometime. It is a an active business, not a passive one.

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 1:32:42 PM   
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I have media in the family...lol... no one is guiding them but ratings. People who believe a great evil is guiding the masses behind the scenes have been watching too much television themselves.

Butch


Sorry, but the news media doesn't care about ratings, after all, they are reporting the news, right?

But also realize that ratings are a "pay to play" system, they do not operate as a public service. They help keep an eye on the how people are responding. Trying looking at how the ratings information is used sometime. It is a an active business, not a passive one.


Of course its active...and very competitive...ratings are EVERYTHING...and who every said they were a public service...not me. They are just out to make a buck...not mold the easily influenced. That’s the job of Washington.

Butch

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 2:29:43 PM   
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Of course its active...and very competitive...ratings are EVERYTHING...and who every said they were a public service...not me. They are just out to make a buck...not mold the easily influenced. That’s the job of Washington.



Really? Then why was there so much money spent on media coverage? If it didn't work as a tool for getting what they want, why would they use it? If the media couldn't manipulate people, why would they spend so much money on it?

Obama spent more money on media coverage than everything else combined, some $339.8 million. Why? Because the media made him popular. The power of the media went to the highest bidder and it came through for him in spades.

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RE: Modern Media - 12/17/2008 3:27:14 PM   
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Given this fact that modern photography is even easier to fake, who actually believes the camera never lies ?

It is all too easy to arrange a shot or a scene in a way to distort the truth.

What about reportage photography, are we being manipulated by photography, to believe something is as is seen, not necessarily how it was taken, Is public oppinion being steered by clever and creative media specialists ?

Reporting is a process of choosing what parts of a story to cover and what to leave out. 

Or do you go by the old adage, believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see, if you do how do you discern truth in an increasingly false world ?

I am skeptical of many sources and have more sense of reliability in others.  Know your sources and who pays them and how much and why.



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