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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 12:49:19 PM   
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Well I was able to take advantage of the market and bought the right house for me which I wouldn't have been able to afford a few years.  Sometimes when there is despair their is also opportunity

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 12:52:45 PM   
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The weapons contracts that Pres-elect Hussein and Nancy Pelosi will definately cancel will put more people out of work than the potential infrastructure projects will employ.
We will see 20% unemployment by the end of the year; inflation will probably go that high, but if it goes much higher it could render money worthless.
Economic doomsday is coming. Store food, gold, ammo, and reloading components (esp primers).

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 12:59:25 PM   
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We will see 20% unemployment by the end of the year; inflation will probably go that high


Interesting, given that many are worried about possible deflation.

But you know best, of course.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:04:02 PM   
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In the words of the well known and highly trusted economist.....Chicken Little...."The sky is falling!....The sky is falling!"......


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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:08:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The weapons contracts that Pres-elect Hussein and Nancy Pelosi will definately cancel will put more people out of work than the potential infrastructure projects will employ.


Got a link for that? Seeing as how it's so "definite" and all that?


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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:08:40 PM   
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God, I should go into retail arms. I'd make a fortune off these doomsdayers.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:12:40 PM   
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Automatic weapons, freeze dried food, bomb shelters....you'd make a million!

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:12:52 PM   
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How does tripling the money supply cause deflation?

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:13:54 PM   
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The markup on guns may be smaller than you think.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:15:09 PM   
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quote:

How does tripling the money supply cause deflation?


How about some hard data on this?

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The markup on guns may be smaller than you think.


No, I'm thinking volume. Never underestimate fearmongering.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:24:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

Automatic weapons, freeze dried food, bomb shelters....you'd make a million!


One more Krugerrand, and I may own you entire block.     Make it easy,  sell it all to me now cheap...  before the crash.   or not. In due time, You can trade it for a sandwich!

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 1:27:50 PM   
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freeze dried food


I'm a hiker---I may keep this.

But then, I own orchards, vineyards and nut trees, so I guess I could make my own.

Better go get started on that.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 2:05:42 PM   
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We have only seen the tip of the iceberg as far as foreclosures go.  In the coming months there will be tens of thousands more.  When all the ARM's hit it will be a real mess.  Hang folks we are in for a bumpy ride!

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 2:16:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bluepanda

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The weapons contracts that Pres-elect Hussein and Nancy Pelosi will definately cancel will put more people out of work than the potential infrastructure projects will employ.


Got a link for that? Seeing as how it's so "definite" and all that?

They don't believe in links here, Brother. Here on CM, assertion is proof. Hahahaha


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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 2:30:36 PM   
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If you care to own the block I live on....you'd better save a lot of Kruggerands...
I know you think NONE of us will survive the future but there are some who can and will.


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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 3:00:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Gold and silver have been the most common forms of money for the past several thousands of years, across several continents and in numerous cultures and societies by millions upon million of people (probably more like billions and billions).

Do you believe they were all mistaken in selecting them?


Yes.

Those were simpler times (economically). Even then, when a wealthy Mali king visited Cairo a few centuries back, he brought so much gold that it severely depressed monetary value.

Gold and silver also used to be difficult to extract. New processes in the late 19th century changed that.

People cling to the gold/silver backed monetary concept because it seems simple. It's not. Even at the turn of the 20th century, the U.S. debated fiercely whether to back currency with gold or silver, gold backed by industrialists, silver by populists.

But gold and silver are themselves commodities--gold is used in your computer connections, for example, and silver in your photographs. Their value is not at all constant, and linking money to them only gives the illusion of stability. Sure, you can predict the PRICE, but you still can't peg the VALUE. That value will still be determined by a host of factors, including Real GDP, the Current Account, inflation, and the balance of trade. This is WHY governments turned to free (OK, well, managed) floats--peg currency to gold, silver, pine cones, coffee beans or paper clips, and nothing really changes. All such pegging DOES accomplish is opening the door for arbitragers to take advantage of the real value vs. the pegged value, at the expense of the Central Bank (and then the taxpayers, if only in the form of inflation).

In this case, the simplification is an additional complication. Returning to a silver or gold standard would be fantastically foolish.

btw---I glad to see you're on the mend!

You are wrong on two counts. The using of gold and silver as backing for currency kept the speculation of each much more conservative if not almost eliminated.

(It is primarily because of the capitalist culture of turning paper into money that never actually affects or determines supply and demand, but speculates on future value (futures) that effects the price of each.)

So having the dollar pegged to gold or silver means to speculate on either is to also speculate on the other at the same time creating a much narrower spread or no spread at all.

The demand for the precious metals used by industry does not nearly pace the paper speculation in any and would afford insufficient profit to speculate in currencies with gold or silver backing. 

The paper money we use now is essentially worthless.  The only exception being the buyer's expectation (speculation) of the value enhanced by labor, for any given product or service. Otherwise the value of any currency is versus other currencies and is changing 24/7.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 3:10:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Gold and silver have been the most common forms of money for the past several thousands of years, across several continents and in numerous cultures and societies by millions upon million of people (probably more like billions and billions).

Do you believe they were all mistaken in selecting them?


Yes.

Those were simpler times (economically). Even then, when a wealthy Mali king visited Cairo a few centuries back, he brought so much gold that it severely depressed monetary value.

Gold and silver also used to be difficult to extract. New processes in the late 19th century changed that.

People cling to the gold/silver backed monetary concept because it seems simple. It's not. Even at the turn of the 20th century, the U.S. debated fiercely whether to back currency with gold or silver, gold backed by industrialists, silver by populists.

But gold and silver are themselves commodities--gold is used in your computer connections, for example, and silver in your photographs. Their value is not at all constant, and linking money to them only gives the illusion of stability. Sure, you can predict the PRICE, but you still can't peg the VALUE. That value will still be determined by a host of factors, including Real GDP, the Current Account, inflation, and the balance of trade. This is WHY governments turned to free (OK, well, managed) floats--peg currency to gold, silver, pine cones, coffee beans or paper clips, and nothing really changes. All such pegging DOES accomplish is opening the door for arbitragers to take advantage of the real value vs. the pegged value, at the expense of the Central Bank (and then the taxpayers, if only in the form of inflation).

In this case, the simplification is an additional complication. Returning to a silver or gold standard would be fantastically foolish.

btw---I glad to see you're on the mend!

You are wrong on two counts. The using of gold and silver as backing for currency kept the speculation of each much more conservative if not almost eliminated.

(It is primarily because of the capitalist culture of turning paper into money that never actually affects or determines supply and demand, but speculates on future value (futures) that effects the price of each.)

So having the dollar pegged to gold or silver means to speculate on either is to also speculate on the other at the same time creating a much narrower spread or no spread at all.

The demand for the precious metals used by industry does not nearly pace the paper speculation in any and would afford insufficient profit to speculate in currencies with gold or silver backing. 

The paper money we use now is essentially worthless.  The only exception being the buyer's expectation (speculation) of the value enhanced by labor, for any given product or service. Otherwise the value of any currency is versus other currencies and is changing 24/7.



No, actually correct, as you have yourself noted.

Paper money has existed since medieval China. People laughed then too.

Despite your intent, your last sentence is exactly true--the value of any currency relative to other currencies changes 24/7. And this is exactly why pegging currency is arbitrary and counterproductive.

Where you miss the point is the first two sentences of that paragraph. The money we use today is NOT worthless, simply because, like all money, including coffee beans and sea shells, it depends on whether people will rely on it as a medium of exchange and a store of value. You obviously value it, or you'd offer to empty your coffers for whatever small amount of gold I could give in exchange. You then go on, ironically, to explain WHY it has value--the labor (and the taxing power of the government) give a currency "hard" value. In fact, this is also why the U.S. trade deficit is a problem, and why pegging U.S. currency to gold or silver wouldn't fix the problem.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 3:24:14 PM   
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All right smarty pants.  And this goes to ALL of the non-answere posts, that are sarcastic, mocking, inconsiderate, boorish,  unsubstantiated.   Y'all have no proof that today is tomorrow is next month is next year.   NONE.

I will have you know that in the intergalactic milkieways of the heavens and beyond, there is not one man.    I repeat.

One man.  







WHose COCK IS AS BIG AS MY MOTHAFUKKER DICK!    I have the biggest baddes cock in the world.  This includes YOUR world.

Unless you offer rational posts, to back up your silly inuendo- then I am NOT INTERESted.

This is JUST a message board.  If the pressure of talk of the sky falling disrupts you now, them how are you when something like Katrina happen in your block?


You (a few)  think that Americans are immune to any historical tide.  That we alone rule the universe.   Well BOY, not true.  We are merely a colony for the ruling elite.  The same elite that is robbing YOUR pocket this year. 

Anyhow please dont waste my time.   ..as well as the folks that DO want to participate in the topic of said threads. 



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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 3:53:09 PM   
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pa, you predict so much gloom and doom....so many theories that have a cataclysmic ending....Is there no silver lining to be found in your world of clouds? So what, I  get a real kick out of your theories when they get so far fetched and you are so convinced of them. It is a message board and if I wish to do so I have the right to do so, your anger at those of us who find your end speak amusing will pay, if what you say and believe is true. No reason for such anger, it will only get you one of those C mails with the gold boarders. I never pick at you as a person, and wouldn't do so and although I do believe that about 75% of what you espouse on these issues is pretty far out there I don't see people attacking YOU for them. Relax, prepare for the end if that is what you see, I have a different reallity than you and see the world in different terms.

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RE: The Second Wave of Foreclosures - 12/18/2008 4:14:56 PM   
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I think Musics plan of using pinecones to back currency is a great idea. 

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