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As Mr. Levin put it in laying on his innuendo this week, a commission "may or may not lead to indictments or civil action." It will also encourage some grandstanding foreign prosecutor to arrest Mr. Rumsfeld and other Bush officials like Pinochet if they ever dare to leave the U.S.

I always knew Pinochet was a Bush official, you only have to look at their foreign policy.

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We know that the most aggressive tactic ever authorized was waterboarding, which was used in only three cases against hardened, high-ranking al Qaeda operatives, including Abu Zubaydah after he was picked up in Pakistan in 2002. U.S. officials say the information he gave up foiled multiple terror plots and led to the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of 9/11. As Dick Cheney told ABC this week, "There was a time there, three or four years ago, when about half of everything we knew about al Qaeda came from one source" -- KSM.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Waterboarding was used on only three high-ranking operatives? Well then! These were little more than "minor, isolated incidents" weren't they...

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By high ranking we mean: Bin Laden's paper boy.

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

Have you ever read a report by someone with access to all the facts? I’d be surprised if you have as it’s practically unheard of for anyone, government or not, to have unfettered access.
 
How it works:
"I need to find out how many people were subject to water boarding"
"OK ask Jim, he knows all that dark nasty stuff."
"Hello Jim how many people were subject to water boarding"
"Water boarding?, we don't do that kind of thing."
"Come on Jim, this is me you are talking to."
"OK three, no more no less, three was the exact number!"
"Thanks."
“Which three?”
“We only tortured the ones we knew for sure were bad people and we knew this because our terrorist network intelligence is so great that we don’t have to torture people.
 
My question is: did the person writing the report sit in on every interrogation? How is it the three times it was used it was used against 'high ranking officials?' and how exactly did they know these high ranking officials were high ranking officials, if they had such good intelligence as to who the high ranking officials are then how exactly did they lose track of these people or not see what they were planning in the first place? You'd have to torture a lot more than three people to know you are torturing the right three people, that much is obvious.
 
Three cases my arse, no report can prove me wrong and no report can prove me right; the doubt has been cast it would be better if the doubt wasn’t there to begin with in terms of ‘does the US government widely use water boarding.’

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How do we know "just" three guys were tortured?And how many times were "just three" tortured.

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

Besides being a member of Al Qaeda isn't like being a member of a library i.e. no membership card, instead a thousand people that will claim to be members when all they really are is angry individuals looking for some kind of reason to exist.

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One really can`t believe anything the conservatives put out or source.

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Political parties are incapable of producing facts

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If by "paper boy" we mean top al-Qaeda officers who were planning massive terrorist attacks against civilian populations then I suppose we are in complete agreement. Otherwise, I would have to ask you to please try to be serious here...

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By high ranking we mean: Bin Laden's paper boy.