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celticlord2112 -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 11:59:44 AM)

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Does insisting on obedience from your subs get boring after a while.

Slaves obey.  That is the nature of slaves.

If they do not obey, they are not slaves.  In particular, they are not my slaves.



DrkJourney -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 12:00:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Not pushy all the time just disobedient and challenging occasionally to make it more fun and less predictable. As one Lady said to me whats the point if everything is handed to you and you get everything you expect, where's the challenge, but i respect your view Lady Pact
kevin



Trust me, there are plenty of challenges out there without adding to it.  



DrkJourney -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 12:02:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Pushy ish good when you're pished after a few drinks.


[sm=rofl.gif]you kill me....lol



DrkJourney -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 12:03:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Hell Yes!!!!! I love seeing how far they will go before they push themselves out my door and front gate....



LOL....my thoughts exactly



Cuffkinks -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 12:10:23 PM)

   I don't care for bratty behavior. If we're talking some light "resistance play," that I could deal with. Would probably be somewhat fun. But a brat that pushes just to see what she can get away with? No thanks. I'll have none of that. I want a good girl. I want our relationship to flow freely, without drama.
  I had that experience just before meeting My little girl. I was in a LDR with this woman in California. A stunning little thing. The online and telephone thing went on for a few months, all the while she behaved very nicely, all the time. When I went out to visit, she did a complete "about-face." She was a total brat. She pushed and pushed...trying to get a rise out of Me. Long story short(er), I can tell you how I handled it in two words...

                                                                                       SEE-YA!
  As I said...I'll have none of that.



Maxwell67 -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 12:17:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Slaves obey.  That is the nature of slaves.

If they do not obey, they are not slaves.  In particular, they are not my slaves.


To a point I agree with this, but it is important to note that slaves WANT to obey, they want to be controlled, they crave to be put securely in their place and to know beyond any shadow of a doubt that is where they belong.  Uncertainty will nearly always lead to their acting out in some way, and until you know your slave inside and out, physically and more importantly, psychologically, there will be times they will still feel that insecurity and if it is not recognized and corrected quickly enough, they are likely to be less than obedient.  So while it is in their nature to obey, doing so must return those reciprocal feelings of security, acceptance, and validation otherwise your slave may just as quickly determine that it is you, in fact, who are not the master.  So if they do not obey, it is far better to find out why and to address the issue first or you may find yourself putting an extraordinary person out of your house because you were too stupid to see your own flawed method of dealing with them.



CatdeMedici -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 2:30:30 PM)

No, push me and you will find your ass on the train. I'm not here to play "ooohhhhh whip me Mistress I am soooooo bad-wink wink wink"---bullshit.
 
 



Misstoyou -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 2:46:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Does insisting on obedience from your subs get boring after a while....



I *like* the classic dynamic and only look for obedient submissives who want to please me. [:)] It only gets boring for me when I am only going through the motions because the submissive no longer engages me. If that's the case, there's a much bigger problem than the submissive can address by being bratty to spice things up.

That being said, I expect puppies to be a bit rambunctious on occasion, the playful little things they are ...



Madame4a -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 2:48:35 PM)

To me.. obedience is just a myth.. submit or don't.. I don't want to fight about it... if we don't know one another well enough to know what will work... as in submission.. then we shouldn't be bothered and should start over..

obedience sets up a reward/punishment situation that I don't care for... that's me...



Sexycelticlady -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 3:08:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Maxwell67

To a point I agree with this, but it is important to note that slaves WANT to obey, they want to be controlled, they crave to be put securely in their place and to know beyond any shadow of a doubt that is where they belong.  Uncertainty will nearly always lead to their acting out in some way, and until you know your slave inside and out, physically and more importantly, psychologically, there will be times they will still feel that insecurity and if it is not recognized and corrected quickly enough, they are likely to be less than obedient.  So while it is in their nature to obey, doing so must return those reciprocal feelings of security, acceptance, and validation otherwise your slave may just as quickly determine that it is you, in fact, who are not the master.  So if they do not obey, it is far better to find out why and to address the issue first or you may find yourself putting an extraordinary person out of your house because you were too stupid to see your own flawed method of dealing with them.



I think this is a very valid point and it certain relates to why at times I am slightly pushy, when I am feeling insecure or uncertain, and it is not so much as a deliberate thing to be bratty and get a rise out of a Dom, that is not something I would ever do, but more because I need to know He is the Master, it validates my submission and is part of the cyclic relationship with my Dom. I validate His control by submitting, He validates my submission by ensuring that control.



LadyPact -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 3:20:50 PM)

I think I'll stand on My position, which seems to be similar to many of the Dominants who have responded to the thread.



VampiresLair -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 3:25:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Not pushy all the time just disobedient and challenging occasionally to make it more fun and less predictable.

I would be highly insulted if my slave thought in order to make our relationship more fun he had to resort to willful disobedience. Thats passive aggressive bull.
I like it being predictable. Predictable does not have to equate to boring. I want to know that when I ask for something I will get it without having to fight for it. I like knowing that when I want to do something I am not going to have to butt heads to see who's decisions win out.
If you are a slave, then you are a slave because enjoy the opposite side of than. If you feel the need to challenge constantly to keep things "interesting" maybe the problem is incompatibility rather than boredom.

DV



kallisto -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 3:36:13 PM)

There's no natural element in this sub to be pushy.   Through communication, trial and error and just plain, honest screw-ups, I believe the boundaries will be found.  I'm not into "testing" my Dom for anything.   That amounts to game playing to me and that doesn't work for me.  

If I'm in a relationship with a Dom, He's definitely aware of me and I don't need to see if He "can keep up with me".  

I do everything I can do to steer clear of drama.   Life is too damn difficult to navigate as it is sometimes without adding unnecessary challenges. 



NormalOutside -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 3:40:55 PM)

I prefer obedience, but I'll provide control and/or punishment as needed.  Generally I'm after harmony and happiness, not constant issues and turmoil, so the obedient and seeking-to-be-pleasing submissive/slave suits me best.  The occasional bratty or manipulative behaviour can be cute at times, but I keep it in check.



IronBear -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 4:14:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Slaves obey.  That is the nature of slaves.

If they do not obey, they are not slaves.  In particular, they are not my slaves.



Ahmen Brother Ah-bloody-men!  In days of yor we'd have hanged them or flogged them to death for being pushy.



MisterMonster -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 4:23:03 PM)

I echo Normal. I don't think I'd enjoy her, like, acting like a defiant kid. What the hell??

However, I am a stickler for giving her an order, and having her fail...something about that secretly pleases me, even if the retribution she receives, and my body language and whatnot, suggests otherwise. Heh...maybe I enjoy this 'Master' stuff too much...



MisterMonster -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 4:25:08 PM)

Iron Bear: WHOAH! WHOAH, WHOAH...a bit....hasty here?



IronBear -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 4:42:45 PM)

Not really, I was just making an historically accurate observation regarding such an offence. never hurts to keep one eye on history and another on the reality og living in today's societyh either.. 



Lynnxz -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 4:47:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Not really, I was just making an historically accurate observation regarding such an offence. never hurts to keep one eye on history and another on the reality og living in today's societyh either.. 


Lazy eye?



MisterMonster -> RE: Do you like pushy subs who see how far they can go with you or do you insist on obedience? (12/20/2008 4:55:05 PM)

Y'know what? I think for a "pushy" sub I'd have a dunce cap and a stool, and she puts on the dunce cap and sits in the corner. And she thinks it's gonna be something kinky, like I pretend to be the Headmaster and then fuck her or something, right?

Wrong. That's where you sit when you're being a dumbass, dumbass. There's going to be nothing sexual about it, and it's gonna be all in the open when we have guests over. Seriously, a "pushy" sub really is just being a dumbass, so then the punishment should be according.



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