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F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships suck. - 12/20/2008 11:07:20 PM   
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Relationships are a complete load of rubbish. I mean this. By relationships here I mean the concept, it's just like that word lifestyle, it's deceptive, it leads mainly to illusions, constant illusions in which you end up potentially only deceiving yourself and others, where all it takes is a broken heart and you start playing mindgames with yourself and other people. I mean, you only have to come to this website and read something and I'm sure you won't have to look too hard to find evidence of what I mean here by mindgames and illusions.

But please don't get me wrong. I'm with someone. She's happy. I'm happy. We're happy. I come to the boards and I see evidence of lots of happy people who spend their lives being happy with someone else, people who love each other, people who are close to each other, over months, years, a lifetime, and I also see people who aren't with anyone and they are just as happy. This is not to say there aren't unhappy people out there. There are unhappy people, both alone and with someone else who is also unhappy, but on the whole I would guess that the majority of people here - if they really stop and think about it - are people who can look at themselves and the way they are living and find some reason for happiness.

This is Sunday, and I guess there's many of you out there busy making preparations for the holidays. Some of you have people coming over to stay, others are preparing to travel someplace and there are a few who I guess have already travelled. Let's take the United States for example, and I'm sure with the current recession everybody's counting the cost of the coming holidays, but have you ever stopped to wonder just how much of that cost is taken up in just in travelling alone? How much gas is used for all the cars in all the traffic you see? All the buses? The trains? Aeroplanes? Spending money on travelling is for many people I guess the most important of expenses. And why?

Being there is all important. What could be more important? The food you're about to eat? What's so special about the food? Is it the presents and gifts you've bought? Are they more important? Or is it not just spending time with the people who mean the most to you? The people who are closest to you? The people you love and who love you? Isn't this the most important aspect of the holidays?

There are those who cannot be with their loved ones, either through distance, circumstances, or simply because the loved ones are no longer the loved ones and both they and their former loved ones have moved on. Not everybody lives near to those who are close to them, and so some of the expense in both finance and time is spent on e-mails, letters, cards, phone calls, text messages and IM conversations. And why?

People who are close to one another need to be with each other. Now think about all the holidays you've ever experienced. What makes them so special and so memorable? Was it the food? The presents? Can you remember exactly what you were doing ten years ago today? Or are your first memories of the people who were in your life? Is it the people you remember?

Think of the people who are really close to you, and I mean really close, the people who you love, the people who really love you, understand you, accept you, know you, and who are there for you as you are there for them. Now when you describe what is between you and those people, I understand, and I also understand it when you mention the word relationship, because here I also understand that linguistically that word relationship is an umbrella term to sum up all those feelings, emotions, and knowledge (not faith, belief but knowledge) that there is someone in your life who is close to you as you them. That I understand and accept.

But it's when people start using the word 'relationship' as a common noun or an entity in its own right where I start to have problems. This is where, by and large, I see people running into all sorts of problems. It's almost like a relationship is something akin to some form of entertainment, a hobby, a source of amusement, something which completes someone's life rather than enriches it.

It's like when having a relationship becomes a goal all on its own, where some people see being in a relationship as some sort of achievement, and where being in a relationship is seen as a badge of success. On the other side I see thousands of people literally prostituting themselves to this end, uploading the perfected Photoshopped photos and kinky images, writing profiles full of buzzwords such as 'professional', 'submissive', 'dominant', where it would appear that the relationship is a bit like a business or position in their lives and they're describing what the position entails, what they are looking for and even how candidates should write and what they should write to apply for the opportunity of an interview and the chance of being selected for the position of My Significant Other.

This is coupled with a curious dehumanizing effect, where men become dominants, slaves, subs, switches, and women become dommes, Mistresses, female subs, female slaves, and even 'that special third' person, that woman in the relationship with a married couple who cooks, fucks and sucks and does all the kinky stuff as well. Yes I'm generalizing here, but I guess there are those out there among you who know exactly what I mean here.

Having been on these boards for almost two years now I'm almost convinced that there's a lot of people out there who get suckered into the concept that this is all one singing-Kumbaya-on-Sundays, generic lifestyle shared by people obsessed with naughty bits, sex, kink where all you need is a person of the right gender, orientation and role with matched kinks in the right dynamic to create almost immediately the ideal sub dom relationship, sans friendship, understanding, acceptance, compassion, loyalty and all the other stuff that those unenlightened vanilla people do. Reality comes in the form of a tidal wave within months, even weeks, and it all goes pear-shaped. How many threads evidencing this are started on these boards on a weekly basis? And let us not forget that this is just the tip of the iceberg, for there's others on bondage dot com posting the same, Slaveregister dot com, alt dot com, not to mention those who aren't anywhere near a computer, who are living in denial, and are somehow stumbling through it all. These people are also out there in the community. Trust me. It's not a pretty sight.

Any reticence on your part to jump right on in there gets you branded a 'fake', a 'wannabe', a 'player' (I chuckle here, there people obviously never pay much attention to mirrors) simply because you don't do what they want you to when they want to you, not to mention the psychobabble terms people think up when you don't fit in with their expectations, where if you want to take it further than they do you're 'emotionally needy or clingy' and when you don't behave as they want you to behave you're being 'passive aggressive', oh and if you kick up too much o9f a fuss you're creating 'drama'.

Yes, I am talking about all the people here who generally take the piss out of that concept of a 'meaningful relationship', often to the point where trying to reach some sort of meaningful interaction with them becomes about as meaningless as one can get. People who appear to take themselves so damn seriously but who it would appear that these people are unable to take anyone else or the general concept of a relationship seriously. You cannot make mistakes with such people, you cannot even in some cases disagree with them or discuss anything with them with any depth otherwise they start to lose interest, back away, or simply drop you without so much as a word or explanation and you're left like a discarded sweet wrapper in the gutter. How many of you out there have had this happen to you? You go out of your way, you put in the time, the effort, go to the trouble, the expense, and instead of increasing and becoming more intense, the contact between you loses its intensity, and the more you seek contact the more they withdraw right up until the point when you say 'Fine! Two can play that game. F8ck you.' How many of you out there have started something, a friendship, and not even had that warning that something's wrong? How many of you have been left holding the baby? One day close friends, next day total and complete strangers - ever had that happen to you?

I honestly cannot put any sort of figure on it, or even estimate the amount of times people have formed opinions here, even among the most regular of posters (including myself) who have trotted out an opinion on the basis that a relationship is a common noun, an entity in its own right, and placed this concept higher in terms of importance that the person posting or the people involved in the relationship. You only even have to write the word 'online' before 'relationship' to get a lot of people joining a chorus that 'online relationships never work' or 'online relationships aren't real', same thing with long distance relationships, they don't work for some people, even despite the fact they have relatives who they maintain contact with who live hundreds of miles away.

Then you get people making statements like:

My last relationship failed.

Rubbish. Fact is, that you were with someone, they were with you, you had a relationship of some sorts based on what you shared together, but now either they don't want to be with you, you don't want to be with them, or both, and I don't care how you explain it to me but for that time you were together and enjoying each other's company your relationship was successful.

I'm no good at relationships.

Okay, so quit trying to be good at relationships and instead start focussing on being with someone who really matters to you and you being with them. Concentrating on how the relationship will only serve to create unrealistic expectations from you and the other person, that helps you feel insecure, instead live for the present, catch the moment, and appreciate the time and everything you share with the other person. Is that really so difficult a concept for you to grasp? Is there something so unattractive here that you're not willing to give it a go?

There's also this concept of 'the community' or 'the BDSM community'. and from my perspective it's this relationships over people mentality which is doing the most damage, supported by many of the problems I have touched on above. I came into this community pre-Internet and can still remember both the diversity and solidarity among those into WIITWD who maybe weren't into what you were into but who were always there to show some sort of solidarity, support, friendship, rather like what you find here on these boards. This I feel is because when you put the people first over the kinks and relationships and dynamics you start to realize just what is important in WIITWD and in the community, and one of the things the BDSM community has always been good at, better so than the LGBT community, is providing support, advice and solidarity. This is even more important now as we're living in a society which is becoming increasingly divisive and where we are becoming increasingly controlled by poverty and fear of poverty.

These observations I have and am sharing now are backed up by my experience in the past few years. I have also been working voluntarily with the homeless, people ranging from the street homeless who are sleeping rough, through people living temporarily in night shelters and hostels for the homeless up to and including those who have been resettled into their own apartments. These are people who are functioning at the lowest level of society, at the very bottom, and I have learned that it is this rock bottom of society which functions far better than any other level of society. These people don't have the money, careers, jobs, properties that many of us have, some don't even have the family or friends, in fact they don't have much of anything, but what they do have and all share is that sense of solidarity and community which is so lacking further up in society. We are talking about people here, many of them, who have failed at life in general, and either through their own laziness, stupidity, or through the stupidity and greed of others, or even pure misfortune, they have found themselves homeless and on the streets.

But you know, if I were to make a comparison, on the whole, between that community and the BDSM community I would have to be honest and say that it's the BDSM community which has a headstart on the homeless community when it comes to drama, issues, emotional problems and concentrating on negative and irrelevant details which are not important and which work against someone's happiness and fulfillment. My guess as to why this is the case is that not having much else to concentrate on, the homeless are more inclined to concentrate on each other and for them people and dealing with people become most important.

Rather like many of you people will be doing over the coming holidays when you will be spending time with the people who matter the most to you, the people who are really important, the people who are the closest to you, and even if you are not with them, I'm sure these are the people who you will be thinking about now more than at any other time in the year.

I guess all I am asking is for you all to each take a moment to stop and think, to simply pause and reflect on this and on what I have written, and to stop and consider what all this WIITWD and BDSM is really all about.

For me the bottom line in BDSM and WIITWD isn't about the kinks, the fantasies, the perversions, being kinky, the dynamics, the theories, the practices, the events, the munches, but it's about the people, people like you, people like me, people like us, and the people who are special to us, who are close to us, who accept us, understand us, who are here for us now, and who will be here for us in the future. WIITWD and BDSM to me is all about finding and getting to know these people, sharing with them, and being with them. It isn't about 'relationships', but simply about people.

What do you think?

Thoughts and comments please.



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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/20/2008 11:17:16 PM   
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I am a more fulfilled person, I am more ME, when I am in a fulfilling relationship with others.  In fact when I am in different types of relationships with others.
I am not my kinks, but my kinks are part of me.  I would not disregard them.

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/20/2008 11:44:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I am a more fulfilled person, I am more ME, when I am in a fulfilling relationship with others. In fact when I am in different types of relationships with others.
I am not my kinks, but my kinks are part of me. I would not disregard them.


True, I'm not saying disregard them completely, or even a relationship, but surely all this complements you and who you share your relationships with, right?

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/20/2008 11:52:50 PM   
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What's the difference between "complements" and "integral to"?  What part of me does not complement who I am and the relationships I have?

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/20/2008 11:59:04 PM   
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Greetings..

I honestly am not sure what WIITWD has any part here other than a way to somehow incorporate a rolled up short version "yet another umbrella" of the multitudes of kinks, fetishes, differring dynamics or relationships that may or may not include any kinks or fetishes that you could place a finger on.

BDSM is exactly what the acronym stands for, and I have no reason to try and change or broaden that to mean it's about people. What it does hold is that often people who enjoy bondage, discipline, or s&m eventually gravitate and find one another. They may or may not form any sort of relationship or dynamic which ever term you prefer..other than to engage in bdsm for the fulfillment of that want or need (again however that person views it)..or they may take that further and form a closer bond that includes more than just bdsm but actual just living day to day with one another.

So I guess I'd have to say no.  BDSM is about bdsm. People are about people, and here and other sites like this help narrow the gap to find others to share that with. I'd agree that most often people who engage in such do carry abit more care of getting to know another even if they are only ever going to see them once a month at a dungeon to be whipped into a frenzy or humiliated at the local pro domme business.

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 1:14:19 AM   
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But it's when people start using the word 'relationship' as a common noun or an entity in its own right where I start to have problems. This is where, by and large, I see people running into all sorts of problems. It's almost like a relationship is something akin to some form of entertainment, a hobby, a source of amusement, something which completes someone's life rather than enriches it.

It's like when having a relationship becomes a goal all on its own, where some people see being in a relationship as some sort of achievement, and where being in a relationship is seen as a badge of success. On the other side I see thousands of people literally prostituting themselves to this end, uploading the perfected Photoshopped photos and kinky images, writing profiles full of buzzwords such as 'professional', 'submissive', 'dominant', where it would appear that the relationship is a bit like a business or position in their lives and they're describing what the position entails, what they are looking for and even how candidates should write and what they should write to apply for the opportunity of an interview and the chance of being selected for the position of My Significant Other.

And who taught all of those little tricks ?who said to  most of the world that *things matters and it not who you are that is important it is what you have!
Who is did this crime to hunmanity who brain washed people into thiking that they are making the right choice;when people Choose a job,a career a family,a f**king big television,compact disc players, and electrical tin openers?
who said that a relationship consists of good health, low cholesteroland dental insurance.
and a realtionship with one person is on a foundation of fixed-interest mortgage repayments a starter home made up of a three piece suite on hire purchase
in a range of fucking fabrics.
Who are these people who claim they are in a 'realtionship sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing
sprit-crushing game shows Stuffing f***king junk food into your mouth.
Finally who put the motto on the dollar bill 'in god we trust 'who ever it was should have put the word GREED!
commitment as become a dirty word  concerning a realtionhip where conmitment has now become temp and the person who people once said they had found the ONE are now in the recycle bin,
Oh happy
holiday !!





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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 1:27:09 AM   
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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 4:33:49 AM   
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quote:

So I guess I'd have to say no.  BDSM is about bdsm. People are about people


Erm....BDSM refers to a bunch of activities practiced by people.  Therefore its about people.  Bondage, no matter how skilled and fancy, when practiced on a lamppost just isn't as exciting as it is when its done to a person.  I'm sure Sir wouldn't get quite as much out of hitting on the refridgerator as he gets out of hitting on me.  That this can even be a point of controversey just illustrates stella41b's point.  Its easy to forget the people.

Along another, though related, line of thinking...In this community, we tend to be fetishists.  This literally means we tend to confuse ends and means.  The activities associated with bdsm are, for many people, ends in themselves which is fine.  Even so, stella41b's point holds because we can't pursue the ends without including people in our activities.  Every time we reduce someone to a means in the pursuit of kink, D/s or a god awful Relationship with a capital R we commit an injustice against that person.  (Basically we're violating Kant's categorical imperative, but I won't trouble the boards with my philosophy fetish.)  This is one of the reasons consent is soooooo important to what we do.  It assures our parnters that we treat them as ends in themselves.  Of course sometimes being treated like an instrument, a means to an end, is sexy as all get out, but thats after consent has been duly arranged for.

quote:

But you know, if I were to make a comparison, on the whole, between that community and the BDSM community I would have to be honest and say that it's the BDSM community which has a headstart on the homeless community when it comes to drama, issues, emotional problems and concentrating on negative and irrelevant details which are not important and which work against someone's happiness and fulfillment.


And, along still another line of thinking, it is true that people within the bdsm community looovvveeee drama.  Everything about us seems designed to ehnance the dramatic potential of normal mundane activities.  Think about it.  What could be more dramatic than one of our most ubiquitous symbols, black leather?  Its a lot more exciting to get together with a bunch of folks for dinner if everyone is dressed in black and carrying a whip!  It shouldn't surprise us when this penchant for drama takes over our relationships and community.  We don't have to give into this love of drama and let it control us, but I doubt we'll ever entirely elimate it.  In no small part, its part of what makes 'us' us.

Finally, I was homeless for a couple of weeks last year.  Without going into the details of the whys and  wherefores, I can say that the experience has done two things for me: its given me perspective and its made me grateful for the human connections I do have.  Having come through that terrifying experience of literally having nowhere to be, of not having a single person to reach out to and being forced to depend on the kindness of strangers, I can say without a doubt that the most important thing is relating to other people, both those known to me and strangers.

Thank you for posting the op. :)

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 4:41:00 AM   
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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 6:46:33 AM   
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I had to read this and walk away to let it sink in before I could respond--My responses have three parts so here goes:
 
(1). Coming to BDSM to seek an "other" is no different than joining any "hobby or interest oriented" group in the hopes of finding the ying to the yang. However, far too many people come here thinking they can command a relationship or "sell" themselves to one---these hallowed halls don't make faults or bad habits go away.  The "there" doesn't exist any  more here than it does out in the cold world.
 
(2). In My family, there is only the two of us, we lost  My mom unexpectedly almost  years ago. Everyone else is dead--when it was the three of us, we had our family, we had warmth, love, happiness--that never changed though we lost My mom and yet people now seem to think we should be spending the holidays wiht people we could care less about, who are clueless who we are--people seem to think My UM and I could scarcely WANT to seek each others company over others. Happiness should not be dictated nor the design of a relationship be defined by someone else's standards. And yet it seems we feel the need to "make it like Mine, then you will be happy".
 
(3) The "need" we seem to feel that a relationship validates us--I am sobbbing as I write this--I have just wih My UM come through her second "bad relationship"---and I wasn't sure she'd see the light--( please no criticisms, I am not asking for any and at 19, how wise were all of you?), this one has about driven her to a breakdown--the good news is it has givern her the light of wisdom that I could not:  No one person can validate your worth, taking in a third will never fill the void of the loss of My mom who was the second parent when I was half way round the world for work, and just having someone isn't a "relationship"-oh and rescue should be reserved for animals and horses. So, many things boiling inside of her have surfaced, she wants to seek therapy for a time and then will deal with finding an"other" but for now, just wants friends.
 
I don't know how that "need" came about with her, I am quite happy as I am, though when I was her age, I think the "glamour" of prince charming was a draw-I had to learn, thankfully she will learn far earlier than I did. We have such preconceived notions of happiness, when it all has to start with us as individuals, in our skin--I saw this quote this morning and thought it was stellar: To be happy is to be able to become aware of oneself without fright.” ~Walter Benjamin
 
I don't know if I made sense--I don't care--I do though see far too many people drawn to the "there" an illusive place where magical things happen--love, marriage, no bills, wealth and status with little effort.




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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 7:13:17 AM   
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I don't think any of this is exclusive to those who practice BDSM.  People chase after things all the time in life - status, money, possessions, vacations - and lose sight of the fact that connections with people are the most important things.  Some people are too caught up in just trying to survive, paying the bills and caring for their loved ones, to be able to nurture their loved ones.  There's lots in life and human nature to stand between the fact that people are the focus.  At least, in my mind they are.  Perhaps that's why you noticed that the homeless see this more clearly - everything else has been stripped except the bare essentials, and it becomes more clear how much the human interaction is needed.  

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 7:28:00 AM   
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It's like when having a relationship becomes a goal all on its own, where some people see being in a relationship as some sort of achievement, and where being in a relationship is seen as a badge of success.



This is probably the part of your post that gets me the most. I agree, that is rubbish and bullshit and people obsess about it all the damned time without ever realizing they're portraying something few people want to begin with  - that being some an retentive, narcisstic, whining mass that simulates humanity. Fly over territory in other words.

The rest probably highlights why I doubt you'll ever see a bunch of paddles beside my name from posting. I could care less what others think, do, want, or define. I didn't embrace this side of myself just so I could join yet another aspect of society that's going to tell me what's right, what's wrong and what I should be doing. What I should be doing is what I damned well feel like doing with someone who is a consenting adult. Past that everyone else is like a signpost along the road. Some you stop at here and there because it/they have value for you. Others you just keep on going cause there's nothing there.

As for BDSM, people and relationships those who feel BDSM creates a higher form of existence just irritate the absolute fuck out of me. There I said it. Those who feel they can avoid all the other bullshit in life by claiming they're submissive or dominant are doing nothing besides practicing a form of escapism that alleviates them from their own personal responsibility. I could go on forever. Bottom line though is relationships don't suck in the same way that guns don't kill. It takes people in both to fuck them up.

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 7:55:15 AM   
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Though i consider myself a submissive, i do not feel that i am a part of a BDSM community. I am not part of any  community, and it is how i have lived my life for a long time. I might post here or chat with others who live a BDSM lifestyle, as I do with other people in other lifestyles but cannot feel boxed into any community.

People enter my life some for a brief moment and others for a lifetime, yet the closeness felt with both examples is deep and ever lasting. I also have known groups of people in similair situations, and some will look after each other and some will stab you in the back. I too have been homeless and experienced both.

Years gone by are just that gone. Yes memories of sharing a holiday will always remain with me, as long as i am capable of remembering them. Some holidays were spent with family, some with strangers, some with a partner, some with children and some by myself, yet each with gratitude of being a live. This holiday will be spent alone yet may home is decorated to offer light, comfort and a place to share life. Christmas trees are all lite to show light even in the darkness, and to be inviting for anyone who knocks at my door. This is all i have to offer this year to people, and it pleases me that i do.

A relationship for me has never been an end goal in itself, but an invitation for two people to grow. Relationship is honor by me, especially the close ones, for as a test of time, they are carried in my heart. Relationships of all types come with the good and the struggle, for growth is a product of each of our lifes. Relationships that i honor are those who understand that we all have growing spurts, and even in the mist of change the core of the relationship has remained. One might change and go a different direction, but the core has not been severed. Acceptance of what the other person needs and wants is vital in a relationship. If it means they must go another road to seek it, so be it. This just isn't in the area of BDSM or marriage, commited living-with you relationships, this is in all relationships.

Living in the here and now is a hard thing to do, yet is possible, and i do it a good 60 % of the time, and working to increase it. I am fortunate to have relationships of friends, daughter and Sir that encourage this in me. It is only when i am at this point can i truly give of me. I understand better in the here and now and joy is a normal experience i have. It is here that i not living in the past of a relationship or the future. I am enjoying who the person is at this moment, as well as myself

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 8:43:05 AM   
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This is not to say there aren't unhappy people out there. There are unhappy people, both alone and with someone else who is also unhappy, but on the whole I would guess that the majority of people here - if they really stop and think about it - are people who can look at themselves and the way they are living and find some reason for happiness.


Miserable as fuck to be honest. My latest journal entry will explain, won't bore ya with the details here.
 
I'd like to comment on the rest but i didn't get much further. My depths of despair just started sinking further and further.

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 10:20:55 AM   
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Imo, the problem is one of concepts, expectations and labels. As stella said in the OP,
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I'm with someone. She's happy. I'm happy. We're happy.
. Happiness is available under all circumstances. It's always a matter of what we make of life. Often, if not always, it's the concepts, expectations and labels that stand in the way of happiness.

Having said that, concepts, expectations and labels are sometimes appropriate and often useful, it's just demanding that reality and people conform to ours that's often the source of unhappiness and anguish.


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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 12:29:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stella41b

...It's like when having a relationship becomes a goal all on its own...

I agree that sometimes when I hear people talk about relationships, it seems like that state is the goal, and the person who would be their parnter simply the means of getting there.
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...it would appear that the relationship is a bit like a business or position in their lives and they're describing what the position entails, what they are looking for and even how candidates should write and what they should write to apply for the opportunity of an interview and the chance of being selected for the position of My Significant Other.

I agree, but for some reason the business metaphor doesn't bother me in this context.
Maybe because it works so well - - it is a little like trying to find the ideal "candidate" for "a position" (if you will...)

That's not an easy search, necessarily - efficient and productive recruitment tactics might well be in order...!
I think of it like that because, even under the best of conditions, it could take time.
Perhaps a very long time.
And one of my character flaws is that I always think I have endless amounts of time.

But I don't.
I don't have forever.
I can't even know if I'll have next week, really.
Therefore, as someone who is trying to be a little more disciplined about their use of time in nearly all things, the business metaphor bothers me less.

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 1:13:34 PM   
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I adore relationships.  I actively seek them.  I actively encourage them and I encourage people to participate in them.  And I think they rock.
 
I am always a big advocate of not doing the whole 'searching' thing.  But I read this post and believe I should change that and clarify it.  That searching and wanting a realtionship is IMO cool and healthy, do it!  But the caveat - don't place expectations on others or yourself.  Don't prearrange your relationship like some sort of menu.  Just look for relationships, get in them and then go with the flow.  If you are enjoying the relationship, be upfront and honest.  If it sucks, be honest too.  If you are in a relationship where you are afraid to voice an opinion or be yourself because if you did you might lose it - it's lost anyway.

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Rather like many of you people will be doing over the coming holidays when you will be spending time with the people who matter the most to you, the people who are really important, the people who are the closest to you, and even if you are not with them, I'm sure these are the people who you will be thinking about now more than at any other time in the year.


No.  I am spending my time at christmas and the new year with the people I think about and love and care about exactly the same all year through.  If I could get every single one of my relationships together in the same room from every country I would.  And just because I am spending time with someone doesn't mean I think of them less when they aren't here.  The time of year doesn't make me think more of people either.  My friends know that I don't always have time to write or call and I know the same of them.  But that doesn't matter because the love is already there.

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I guess all I am asking is for you all to each take a moment to stop and think, to simply pause and reflect on this and on what I have written, and to stop and consider what all this WIITWD and BDSM is really all about.

For me the bottom line in BDSM and WIITWD isn't about the kinks, the fantasies, the perversions, being kinky, the dynamics, the theories, the practices, the events, the munches, but it's about the people, people like you, people like me, people like us, and the people who are special to us, who are close to us, who accept us, understand us, who are here for us now, and who will be here for us in the future. WIITWD and BDSM to me is all about finding and getting to know these people, sharing with them, and being with them. It isn't about 'relationships', but simply about people.


For me, BDSM isn't about people at all.  It's an acronym.  And it is an activity that is part of my relationships - some more than others - no different to being a painter, or cooking, or being a parent. It's a set of activities.  Dominant, slave, switch - all these are identies to how relationships are between different people.  It's a descriptive term and honestly, I don't see the issue when used between people who are in that relationship.
I love relationships because without people, you can't have one and when you know one single person, you are having a relationship with them.  They go hand in hand.
 
And next time I look in the mirror, I love that I know that I get something new out of the relationship every day I spend with her and I also know that I have a kick ass relationship with someone who loves and is loved and whos' relationships rock - the good and the bad.
 
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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 4:24:33 PM   
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Getting involved with the whole BDSM culture has opened my eyes to the fact that all my relationships suck.
Now all I have to do is work out who is at fault. Them or me.
A very happy Christmas to everyone.

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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 5:00:38 PM   
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A band of gorillas
A bunch of jerks
A pinhead of angels
A mine of information......
ahh i just love collective nouns.
But by far my favourite collective is 'a relationship'....as it can just about sum up a group pertaining to anything, everything, something or nothing.
EXCEPT when the word beomes narrowed, negated and nullified by expectation....by consensus, by conformity and above all by judgments.
i've grown close to you Stella and come to know you quite well.....and i am suppsing it is that journey that enables you yo see the world in more than binary opposites.
Me too.....i hope, as i have far too often introjected that binary world and seen myself as 'in a relationship; or 'not in a relationship'.....in a good relayionship or in a bad relationship.........the truth now for me at least now.... is that i have at last reached a place whereby i consider myself to be in relationship to all things. It's a kind of quantuum reality rather than a binary one. And what i mean by this is that it is the realisation that one is 'in relationship' that changes everything, rather than the relationship itself. i realise that i am constantly in relationship and that, therefore, anything i might do or say, can have a knock-on and profound relationship to everything in the world. Now the dynamic i am in is a foremost field where my responsibility for what i do takes on a fundamental form. It has an energy and it entirely created out of consensus. It's natural and normal to me and if it did not consist of Us then by natural energy it might/might not take a different form.  When He lasoos my ankle with rope to the bed it isn't a strange thing or indeed even an out of the ordinary thing. It's just that i need to be tiied like that at the moment to feel safe....But i know this also: that just as in the case of Schroedigger's cat....being on the inside is different than supposing what it would be like on the outside.
i like the analogy of relationship to quantuum physics.......
Happy Christmas to you and Mistress....see you soon
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RE: F*ck relationships. I've had enough. Relationships ... - 12/21/2008 6:11:33 PM   
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I'd like to thank everyone who have responded so far, so many interesting points have come up.. I'd also like to add that my OP is by no means a fixed position or one of my commonly held attitudes, but it was a train of thought that I got into earlier, and I was just kind of exploring these thoughts to see where they led to and thought I would bring it to the boards as an exercise in 'thinking aloud'. I was basically really curious as to why I had this particular train of thoughts, why such observations were all of a sudden important or more apparent than normal, and so I just sat down and wrote the OP as it came out, no editing, just kind of freestyle, as if I were speaking the words you read there.

Reality check? Hmm, not really. Sanity check? No, just pure and simple curiosity, nothing more, nothing less. I come back to the thread but still haven't really formed anything definite in my head, maybe I never will, but in sharing the above and this posting and with all your postings and thoughts which you have shared with me I am just probing, exploring, learning, and something may or may not come to me in time.

Just for clarification...


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