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RE: Mental illness - 12/24/2008 11:05:45 AM   
elegantalexis


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Status: offline 		Moon, one thing to think about is the ATCMHMR there in Austin.  They have an emergency crisis center  where they do work with people getting out of the ASH (Austin State Hospital) and they do have a halfway housing system set up for people coming out of jail and ASH as well.  I don't have the number like I used to, but they are located at 15 East, just 3 blocks south of Cesar Chavez and I-35 (right off of Holly).

They helped me out in getting meds so I would not go crazy.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/24/2008 11:41:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The smart thing would be to stay away from him.

The loyal thing would be to support him.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/24/2008 3:41:06 PM   
moonvine


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Status: offline 		Thanks, yes, he has not been on meds in some time, having been unemployed with no insurance, and I do think this is a large part of the problem.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/24/2008 3:54:11 PM   
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The smart thing would be to stay away from him.

The loyal thing would be to support him.


So the choice is between smart and loyal?

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RE: Mental illness - 12/24/2008 3:55:37 PM   
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Just a couple of thoughts from my perspective - subbies tend to be helping people, even when it isn't convenient or good for them. I can see me taking someone in to stop them from being on the street, and end up being responsible for them for the rest of their lives. If you can see this in you, you need to check out alternate living arrangements, and just be a friend - which he would need at that stage.

For heavens sake , don't get into a situation where you are a caretaker, and end up hating him and yourself for the way you feel about the situation. It would be way healthier for him to be living in a dispassionate environment, where he is encouraged to take up the reins of living again.

good luck with the decisions.


Yeah.....I am worried I will be cleaning up after him, when he needs to learn to do that for himself. 

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RE: Mental illness - 12/24/2008 8:02:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		You need to find out what it is that they are trying or have diagnosed him with.  A lot of mental illnesses are completely invisible.  It's not like small pox where you can see it.  And some mental problems like DID are impossible to see because the breaking is all on the inside.  There aren't highs and lows like bipolar.  There aren't things like an OCD patient washing their hands until they bleed.  So it's possible there is something wrong, and it's just not obvious.  Then depending on what it is you may or may not be able to support him until it clears up.  It's great that you want to, and I hope you can, but it may be bad for you and for him.  Definitely do what's best for both of you whether it's what you *want* to do or not. 

I hope it works out for you both.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/25/2008 10:11:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		On a general basis I see in reason why mental illness should be any more an impediment than any other sort of ling term illness for having a relationship and helping someone out when they need a helping hand or a place to stay.   Logically it is important to understand the nature of the illness, it’s ramifications as far as help needed, emergency treatment/aid if he has a bad turn (for want of a better expression) and so on. Like any impending relationship, it is always a good idea to verify as much as you can about the person for your own safety. Other than that I say bravo to those who will and do hold out the helping hand of friendship when it is needed.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/25/2008 10:37:44 PM   
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You need to find out what it is that they are trying or have diagnosed him with.  A lot of mental illnesses are completely invisible.  It's not like small pox where you can see it.  And some mental problems like DID are impossible to see because the breaking is all on the inside.  There aren't highs and lows like bipolar.  There aren't things like an OCD patient washing their hands until they bleed.  So it's possible there is something wrong, and it's just not obvious.  Then depending on what it is you may or may not be able to support him until it clears up.  It's great that you want to, and I hope you can, but it may be bad for you and for him.  Definitely do what's best for both of you whether it's what you *want* to do or not. 

I hope it works out for you both.


Well, I have a Master's degree in counseling, so one would think I'd notice something so horribly wrong as to have a person committed, so I'm doubting my own judgement.   I will talk to his doctor (as soon as I figure out who that is).

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RE: Mental illness - 12/26/2008 2:45:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Probably you’ve been too close to the trees to see the forest lass. You know from counselling how valuable second opinions are. You'd also I imagine have the credentials to get taken seriously when you ask for pertinent information and not get fobbed off. 

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RE: Mental illness - 12/28/2008 1:32:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I would avoid this situation and not let him live with me

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RE: Mental illness - 12/29/2008 10:58:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Moonvine, if there is any kind of halfway house around he could be released to, that would be ideal. Because you're going to be at work 8 hours a day and not there to make sure he takes his meds, doesn't break the rules, get into trouble. You'll be asleep at night and not watching the door to see that he doesn't sneak out with the contents of your wallet to buy alcohol or street drugs.

Since you're in the field, stop doubting the diagnosis and think about this objectively if a patient of  yours suggested they were allowing some newly released person with a bad history to move in.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/29/2008 2:10:33 PM   
moonvine


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Status: offline 		I'll check on the halfway house thing.  Having spent the last 3 days cleaning out his *nasty* apartment - I do not understand how anyone who is smart enough to make in excess of 100k a year is not smart enough to figure out you have to take the trash out more often than once every 2 years or it will stink.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/29/2008 6:30:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Untreated mental illness carries a five time higher rate of illegal drug use. Have you come across his stash yet? And you know how tough a dual diagnosis is to address.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/29/2008 6:59:01 PM   
moonvine


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Untreated mental illness carries a five time higher rate of illegal drug use. Have you come across his stash yet? And you know how tough a dual diagnosis is to address.


I have not found any drugs, well, not any illegal ones.   Cigarettes, pipe tobacco, rolling papers, a little alcohol but not much considering it is 2 years worth.

Dual diagnosis where I was working was MR/MH.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/29/2008 7:24:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be fair, too, they could be wrong.  I was misdiagnosed repeatedly.  You *might* be right.  He might just act along symptomatic lines and someone overreacted or something.  I got shafted the other way.  People underreacted to my problems, so maybe I see it in a hopeful way.  Not that I hope he gets put away, but that if there is something wrong they catch it and help him out.  Or at least don't screw him over like me.

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RE: Mental illness - 12/29/2008 7:48:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I forgot, I found all his (old) prescription drug bottles, none refilled since May or so.  Adderall, Rozerem (sleep, presumably to counteract the Adderall), and Prozac.  Nothing that screams schizophrenia or other mental illness likely to have someone committed.  Looks like the garden variety computer genius (who I'm shocked if they *don't* have ADHD and possibly Aspergers, in fact I have wondered on occasion if *I* don't have Aspergers).  His attorney won't return my calls.   

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RE: Mental illness - 1/4/2009 2:20:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes when someone gets thrown in jail they go to solitary for awhile because they are wild on check in or other reasons. In solitary psychosis is the rule not the exception. People go nuts in there and talk to imaginary people on the phone, throw feces etc. Once they are out they get normal pretty quick. so he could have done something pretty wild in there and got a psych eval and they always think everyone is crazy. If it is not true, and obviously it is not, then he should tell his lawyer to fight it.  Psych-forensic facilities house those who are criminally insane. It could be some very hard time indeed. he could spend whatever time there fighting off some pretty wacked people, like hanibal. There are alot of wacked folk in the world and usually those units only keep the seriously wacked criminals and they are not locked up as much, so I think it would be awful unless you were of the same orientation. He seems to be getting screwed.  

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RE: Mental illness - 1/4/2009 2:33:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		be as supportive as possible. do things for him. help him. build up his confidence, above all dont take a hard line approach, he is not responsible for what he does as he has an illness which is outside his control. believe you me ive been there and the prejudice towards people who have mental illness even on these boards at times is truly appalling. it just reflects the utter ignorance and uncaring nature of some of the participants here
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RE: Mental illness - 1/4/2009 2:36:25 PM   
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be as supportive as possible. do things for him. help him. build up his confidence, above all dont take a hard line approach, he is not responsible for what he does as he has an illness which is outside his control. believe you me ive been there and the prejudice towards people who have mental illness even on these boards at times is truly appalling. it just reflects the utter ignorance and uncaring nature of some of the participants here
kevin



Only when the person in question blames everything on the illness, takes no steps to resolves the problem, and generally is a leech on society.

Otherwise, the people on this board are pretty supportive of people undergoing issues.


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RE: Mental illness - 1/4/2009 2:44:33 PM   
lobodomslavery


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Status: offline 		People with mental illness arent leeches. Mental illness is very debilitating. it saps you of all your confidence. nobody understands the impact it can have until it comes to their door. believe you me i was exactly the same. it was like stay away from them they are mad dangerous, will destroy the community etc etc. weigh you down etc. but when it hits you, you r ealise that is such a selfish attitude to adopt . because it could be one of your family next and would i abandon someone who was mentally ill. no way mentally unwell people are good people who have been dragged down by their illness. they are in no way responsible for their behaviour and deserve every compassion and kindness
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