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RE: China calls for return of Guantanamo Bay inmates - 12/26/2008 1:16:55 PM

Raechard

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It's funny that it seems the entire world is looking at the US with this "tsk tsk tsk.... you've gone and let some random terrorist get into your top spot, him and his buddies used you and your resources to mess around with all the rest of us for years now, and finally it's coming back at you........ enjoy!" look in their eyes. :p Maybe the world will become a better place, I don't know. I hadn't really even entertained the thought in about a year. Here's hoping.

Yep Nick Cotton is a real nightmare, I couldn't agree more

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RE: China calls for return of Guantanamo Bay inmates - 12/26/2008 1:34:04 PM

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Secret trials are far different than open trials, polite sub. If we want to charge a specific person with specific crimes (in order to execute or hold them after the war), they should get an open trial. If we just want to keep them out of battle, and then release after the security threat is gone they can simply be held incommunicado.....That's what Geneva says.

If a trial has secret witnesses that can not be cross examined, and secret evidence that can not be challenged, its not an open trial.

Civil courts routinely let people go free or ignore thier crimes (which often leaves a trail of victims), in order to save the strong evidence for the higher ups.

Polite sub, if you know the details of a case, so does Al queda, and everyone in the world.

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RE: China calls for return of Guantanamo Bay inmates - 12/26/2008 3:27:47 PM

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The larger question of Gitmo has always been--what do we do with these people now that we've captured them?

You mean Bush didn't think about that BEFORE he had the bright idea of Gitmo??? But then he's always said he'll leave those things for the next prez to clean up... as he skips merrily off into the sunset.

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RE: China calls for return of Guantanamo Bay inmates - 12/27/2008 2:01:09 AM

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C'mon...citing articles of the Geneva Convention that apply to warriors wearing the uniform of their country.
These people were taken either on the battlefield or were detained in the United States...neither of which were
uniformed combatants.

Battlefield ?............ Your ignorance of where some of the people were detained is stunning, but not suprising. Your own supreme court ruled they were entitled to the protections laid down in article 3.

Gosh "polite"....how do I answer the charge of "ignorance" in a civil way... I guess I can't. However...maybe I can stick out my tongue and say "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me".... blah blah blah.
Do you really think I don't know that some people held in Gitmo were actually detained in the USA and shipped down to the resort on the east end of Cuba? In a time of war, and we are in a war btw, laws are like fences, only keep out the innocent not the criminal intent on doing damage. While you quote article 3 or possibly wax elequently about the Geneva Convention and the liberal weighted Supreme Court (you do know it was a deeply divided court decision of 5-4) terrorists are killing innocents. Thankfully, the USA has had thousands of unsung hero's whose work you and I will never know but who have kept this country safe since 9/11 .....!

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