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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 11:55:45 AM

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She's to be trained by a poly couple who are rarely around? I don't see how they can train her in such a situation. Instead she's being commanded to serve as an unpaid servant to them under the orders of their existing sub and her former domme, now just another service sub.

I would recommend the op does what she needs to in order to put herself in a better place, and in future not let someone else talk for her, especially someone who admits she has ignored the OP's worries. But being that far down the ladder is unlikely to bring her any personal happiness.

OP; live on your own for a while until you figure out what you need to be happy. And in future don't compromise on those things.

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 12:35:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: elegantalexis

i have a question to all masters when u get a sub or slave how many should order it around?

Slaves do not serve more than one master....my slave obeys my command only. Obedience to any other command is disobedience to me by definition.

With respect Celtic Sir,
This elegant alexis person (people?) is looking into Gorean philosophy. As part of that philosophy, it is in fact expected that slaves serve ALL Masters/Mistresses as ordered. Of course if a girl is owned Master and Mistress make the decision of who the "All" entails to make sure that the slave is safe and able to be completely in dependant mode.

It sounds an awful lot like the OP needs to get clear about what is going on.

well wishes,
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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 12:39:05 PM

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With respect Celtic Sir,
This elegant alexis person (people?) is looking into Gorean philosophy. As part of that philosophy, it is in fact expected that slaves serve ALL Masters/Mistresses as ordered. Of course if a girl is owned Master and Mistress make the decision of who the "All" entails to make sure that the slave is safe and able to be completely in dependant mode.

This isn't a Gorean board, and I'm not Gorean.

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 12:42:46 PM

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Yes, Celtic, Sir
I understand that. I just thought that since it had been presented on the Gorean board as their / her focus, that perhaps knowing that the question in a different context would have a different answer. No disrespect was intended.

Well wishes,
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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 1:38:29 PM

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I listen to my owner and her alone. Unless she states "Do as X tells you," I consider her orders as the only ones that need to be followed.

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 2:35:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

ORIGINAL: elegantalexis

i have a question to all masters when u get a sub or slave how many should order it around?

Slaves do not serve more than one master....my slave obeys my command only. Obedience to any other command is disobedience to me by definition.

With respect Celtic Sir,
This elegant alexis person (people?) is looking into Gorean philosophy. As part of that philosophy, it is in fact expected that slaves serve ALL Masters/Mistresses as ordered. Of course if a girl is owned Master and Mistress make the decision of who the "All" entails to make sure that the slave is safe and able to be completely in dependant mode.

It sounds an awful lot like the OP needs to get clear about what is going on.

well wishes,
sunshine

quote:

ORIGINAL: elegantalexis

You have to excuse Alexis. She is not understanding the dymanics of what happening and thinks the rules should not apply to her at time. Here is the situation:

I am her Domme. In order to obtain further Domme training, I agreed to submit myself as a sub to a Dom couple willing to train me. They agree to this and accepted Alexis as well since Sir and Mistress are seldom home, dealing with business and they needed a couple for domestic subs. As part of her further training, she has to to be sub to 4 of us, Sir, Mistress, a slave who is part of the household and myself. The main one Alexis is to answer to is Mistress while I answer to Sir. The only requirements I 'demand' from Alexis is to ensure I take my meds and vise versa, make sure the computers are functioning properly and cooking once in a while (especially brisket...yummy!). The slave is to train us as to what likes and dislikes Sir and Mistress has.

This will be a poly household and I am trying to maintain the open communications. Alexis is just scared because we have been burned in the past. I just wish she talked to me before creating this thread so I can talk her through her fears.

Shahar

Something does not add up here. I am Gorean, and I am confused.

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 2:56:03 PM

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Me and those I designate...which usually means the family of Masters I admire and consider friends. I know THEY know what is and isn't appropriate to ask my girl to do. Play, sex and extended service require prior negotiation; short term, fetch and carry type service is understood to be freely offered.

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 5:06:12 PM

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Just as one cannot equally serve two Gods,one cannot fully serve, six Masters.
I would never be a party to anything of the sort.
Insanity....

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 5:33:46 PM

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Sunshine and Orion, tis I who is expressing interest of the Gorean books and lifestyle. Alexis just views the books as just that, books. I am more interested in the historical comparions of the social and mental aspects of the Gorean lifestyle to ancient Greek society. I am the one who gets mentally stimulated by what I read (yes, I going to look for D/s relationship books soon).

Shahar

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 7:03:15 PM

OrionTheWolf

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Ahhh. Two sharing the same profile. Damn that gets confusing, but I know a few who do that. Anywa, have fun since the customs of Gorean slavery are just that, customs. They may be influenced by the philosophy, but they are not a part of it.

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 10:01:25 PM

IronBear

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Myself and Lady Neets.

I’m going to qualify my earlier response for those who have contacted me privately and who were confused. I am the Master of Bruin Cottage which is a Victorian Home, and Lady Neets is the Lady of the Home. As Master I have the final say in all matters pertaining to Bruin Cottage. We are also a poli household. All slaves are initially collared to the home. A slave may if we so decide be re-collared to either Myself or Lady Neets and as such are personal servants but are still part of Bruin Cottage. Whilst in those personal collars, their owner has the primary command of the slave, they will still obey both Myself and Lady Neets unless undertaking tasks given by their owner. It is not as confusing as it seems because we have a strict hierarchal structure which also allows the senior slave (first girl or first boy) also referred to as either the Housekeeper or Butler (depending on gender) to have limited authority over other slaves/servants to facilitate smooth running of the home and training of new staff without the necessity of coming to either Lady Neets or myself. Staff members are instructed from day one: “When in doubt ask” and if involved in something and are given other instructions to respectfully advise the person giving the instructions that they are carrying out what ever it is as instructed by whoever. Rarely will any real countermanding instructions be given and if needs be it is referred to Lady Neets or myself.

Those with Gorean experience will understand this readily and probably have seen this in operation.

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 10:46:00 PM

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mmmmmmm.... this is Tinks Master "A" , the thing that confuses me most is that we have females answering questions on a MASTER'S forum, should you not be on the Domme's/Mistress's forum? answering the questions posted there?I would have been led to believe that if elegantalexis wanted the opinion of a woman would she not have posted in a forum specific to that gender? or are the women posting here "Masters"...is it anywonder that people end up confused

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RE: how many - 12/25/2008 11:31:46 PM

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I wouldn't be too quick to ask for credentials... unless you're going to ask all the "Masters" to prove it...

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RE: how many - 12/26/2008 2:30:47 AM

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For some, Master is a gender neutral term, just like slave, hence some women such as myself, use the title. So, we post. Even without that, everyone is welcome to post in any forum they choose. Forums are sectioned off to help segregate topics a bit. The kinds of questions that are asked here are usually different than the kinds that are asked on the Mistress forum, however, we have many male Masters and Doms post over there...and do so intelligently and with excellence.

Usually, if people truly want the advice of a specific subsection of our little society, they ASK for these people, in particular, to reply. If I'm correct, trying to keep people from posting is against the TOS (but I could be wrong).

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RE: how many - 12/26/2008 8:06:58 AM

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To answer the original question:

In My household, there is but one Master. slave answers to and is responsible to the needs of that One person. Period. Life can be confusing enough without bringing into it chaos of O/our own making.

Secondly:

I know of no Dom/me, or, Master (for clarity's sake, I too am using the gender neutral version of this word at this moment) that would think of "submitting" to Another for any reason, yet alone, for the sake of "learning" more about Their Dominance. I have been Mentored. I have been taught by learned teachers. I have had sessions with experts in thier field. None of them asked for, nor, expected any form of "submission" for their lessons. It was always a peer to peer relationship, and, ususally ended up with me showing them something that I knew that perhaps they did not.

Lastly:

I totally agree with one of the other replies. If there is any question, or, doubt concerning one's Dominanace, or, your ability to uphold your Dominance, then you should not own another. If in fact the girl is a slave and the girl was collared prior to the "new situation", once her Dominant "submitted" to Another, I believe all bets are off. The original agreement is null and void. The new "submissive" in fact has no collar to give.

E/everyone should have and needs clear understanding of the agreements and responsibilities on all sides before comitting to anything. Not doing so is not only foolish, it can be very harmful and even dangerous.

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RE: how many - 12/26/2008 8:09:11 AM

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This is hard to answer as it depends on what has been negotiated or agreed to--I am a firm believer that in these circumstances, you really need a trial--as in most cases ( yes there are a very exceptional few that have their acts together)--it bombs.

In My home there is and will always be One. Me.

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RE: how many - 12/26/2008 8:23:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I am a firm believer that in these circumstances, you really need a trial--

Which is why in Bruin Cottage I have instigated the use of a Probationary Collar for a period of not less than three (3) months...

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RE: how many - 12/26/2008 8:46:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I am a firm believer that in these circumstances, you really need a trial--

Which is why in Bruin Cottage I have instigated the use of a Probationary Collar for a period of not less than three (3) months...

IB: you need to come to the states and teach classes!

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RE: how many - 12/26/2008 8:48:57 AM

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OT a bit, but is Bruin Cottage a Painted Lady or just a regular Victorian? My dream is to one day find one and customize it to a B&D.

Shahar

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RE: how many - 12/26/2008 9:51:54 AM

IronBear

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A Painted Lady at the moment (undergoing a slow customerization) but we hope to build later a copy of a Victorian Country Home which is easy as we only need to replicate our Federation Period homes.

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