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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 2:06:14 PM

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Yeah, and if she had a gun AND P.M.S. their asses would be in a world of shit.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 2:32:00 PM

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I addressed your question, but I'll be glad to rephrase my answer for you.

If all are armed, there's a chance she may well kill one or two of them, possibly even all of them. If none of them were armed, she would have little or no chance at all.

I guess that would depend on the situation and their intention.

What if they just want her cash or her car?

She then pulls out a gun and kills one or two of them and gets killed herself in what she might otherwise have walked away from.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 2:52:33 PM

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I addressed your question, but I'll be glad to rephrase my answer for you.

If all are armed, there's a chance she may well kill one or two of them, possibly even all of them. If none of them were armed, she would have little or no chance at all.

I guess that would depend on the situation and their intention.

What if they just want her cash or her car?

She then pulls out a gun and kills one or two of them and gets killed herself in what she might otherwise have walked away from.

If you're carrying in a situation like that you have to shoot, if not they get your gun as well!

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 2:52:46 PM

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As we all know and as it's been said many times before, police "protection" is reactive, at best. The one time my life was on the line and I needed the police, a patrol car drove right past me. Fortunately, I wasn't harmed in the incident. That was the deciding factor in my getting my CCW. I'll depend on the police to keep order, but I will protect those I love as best I can, by whatever means necessary.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 2:58:04 PM

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 3:21:36 PM

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Yeah, and if she had a gun AND P.M.S. their asses would be in a world of shit.

Popeye - I'm rather fond of one TShirt that I wear rather frequently. It reads, "I have PMS and a Loaded Handgun. Any other Stupid Questions?"

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 4:08:05 PM

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Yeah, and if she had a gun AND P.M.S. their asses would be in a world of shit.

Popeye - I'm rather fond of one TShirt that I wear rather frequently. It reads, "I have PMS and a Loaded Handgun. Any other Stupid Questions?"

LMAO!

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 4:53:39 PM

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See but this is one of the constitutional rights we have. If an armed assailant tries to rob us, we can decide to defend ourselves or not. You seem to be suggesting that society should protect this woman by not allowing her the option to defend herself. Glad the Supreme Court does not agree with that:

"that the operative clause of the Second Amendment—"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"—is controlling and refers to a pre-existing right of individuals to possess and carry personal weapons for self-defense and intrinsically for defense against tyranny, based on the bare meaning of the words, the usage of "the people" elsewhere in the Constitution, and historical materials on the clause's original public meaning; "

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I addressed your question, but I'll be glad to rephrase my answer for you.

If all are armed, there's a chance she may well kill one or two of them, possibly even all of them. If none of them were armed, she would have little or no chance at all.

I guess that would depend on the situation and their intention.

What if they just want her cash or her car?

She then pulls out a gun and kills one or two of them and gets killed herself in what she might otherwise have walked away from.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 5:13:37 PM

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Skimmed it, I think I read it years ago. As rarely as I do this in a serious thread, I am going to mention a joke.

Guy notices people breaking into his shed/garage/whatever, calls the police and they told him noone was available. He waited a couple minutes and called back and said "Never mind I shot them". Within two minutes there were nine cars, a helicopter, a SWAT team and dogs. They caught the perps I guess and ask the guy "I thought you said you shot them" to which he replied "I thought you said noone is available".

When I was 13, a pizza delivery guy got robbed in front of my house. My dad called the police, and the operator said that she would need to speak to delivery guy. My dad hung up, and proceeded to watch the armed robbery occur. The operator called back, and told my dad that he was not supposed to hang up on the her, unless he gave out his information, and would he please give the phone to the delivery man. My dad informed the operator that the robbery was in progress, and he would have the delivery man call when he was done with being robbed. He then hung up for the second time. The operator called again, and asked to speak to the delivery guy, my dad replied "Your delivery guy is dead." The cops showed up immediately.

After the cops showed up, they asked my dad why he didn't go out and stop the robbery. My dad informed them that his responsibility was to his children, and he had done his duty by calling them (My father was 55 years old at the time and physically unable to take on three armed men). When the police told him that it was illegal to lie to the operator, he told them it was illegal for her to behave in the manner that she did, and that perhaps they should find out who robbed the delivery guy, instead of interrogating him for doing what he was supposed to be doing.

I put the conversation mildly, but my dad went off on those cops. He was my hero that day. Although he was upset to find out that we had been watching the action from an upstairs window, spying on his conversation from the stairwell!!!

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 5:27:26 PM

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You're not addressing the question I asked.

How does a woman with a gun become equal to a gang who all have guns?

Isn't that the same situation as if both she and the gang were unarmed?

Answer - she trains herself to be a better shot than they are. Handguns are not easy to hit things with, especially beyond arm's length and in the adrenaline-charged environment of a gun battle. One person with a handgun and some training has a pretty good chance against three with no training. Past about 30 feet, training rules, especially against some gangbanger punk who holds the gun sideways in one hand and yanks at the trigger.

I provided that training for many years.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 5:37:19 PM

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I know a little gal, she's easily under 5' tall and weighs less than a hundred pounds who, you had better not mess with her. She used to work at an arms dealer's shop, and they have every kind of fire arm you could ever dream of owning in there, and she made excellent money working there, and got everything on discount. They even have their own indoor range...

She's a sweet little gal, sweet as can be. But don't ever threaten her, or harm anyone she holds dear because she's not afraid of anyone - and rightfully so, because she's anyone's equal.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 12/31/2008 9:01:05 PM

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"What if they just want her cash or her car?"

How could you possibly know what the robbers want?

People that comply with robbers get raped, beaten, or shot all the time.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 1:49:36 AM

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See but this is one of the constitutional rights we have. If an armed assailant tries to rob us, we can decide to defend ourselves or not. You seem to be suggesting that society should protect this woman by not allowing her the option to defend herself. Glad the Supreme Court does not agree with that.

No, what I'm suggesting is that people who feel the need to have a gun for protection will often resort to using the gun first, when other methods might be better, and the situation escalates to the point where they kill someone or get themselves killed.

Two weeks after Ohio passed the Castle Doctrine an unarmed teenager in Cleveland was killed after trying to break into a garden shed.

According to the news reports, the kid started running away when he saw the gun but the 65 year-old homeowner yelled for him to "stop and come back here". The kid stopped, turned around, and was shot dead because the owner felt "threatened" even though the kid did exactly what he was ordered to.

The homeowner wasn't charged.

It was legal but was it really worth ending a teenager's life over a lawnmower and some garden tools? Especially when the robbery had already been stopped and the kid would have ran away empty-handed.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 1:53:34 AM

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I'm as Progressive/Liberal/Pinko Commie (

) as anyone on here, but I don't get involved in the 2nd A debate, because I don't feel it is my right to tell others how they may or may not defend themselves, much as it is not their right to tell me my SO cannot have an abortion, or I cannot ingest certain substances if I choose.

I was around 19 or so, living in Richmond VA, and walking to work from the Fan District to close to downtown, where I co-managed an Indian Import shop. My hair was about 26 inches (pic on my profile IIRC). I was minding my own business, walking down the sidewalk, when a black sedan pulls up, out jump two thugs, who proceed to throw me up against the car. They then identified themselves as Richmond's finest (/sarcasm). I said, "You don't have the right to do this to me" and one of them says, "Shut up or I'll shove this knife up your ass." It was then that I knew PIGS were not my friends, and that I should avoid PIGS whenever possible. I understood how many African-Americans felt.

To this day I will NOT trust a PIG. Most of them are sociopathic sick fuck gun freak wife-beating redneck drunks who lie and invent "evidence". My hair is now pretty long again, but I tool around in a Mercedes drop-top (GT has ridden with me). I DARE them to fuck with me.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 2:05:01 AM

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"What if they just want her cash or her car?"

How could you possibly know what the robbers want?

People that comply with robbers get raped, beaten, or shot all the time.

I wouldn't know what they want, but if someone sticks a gun in my face while I'm opening my car door I think I'm more likely to remain alive by giving up my keys than trying to un-holster a gun and shoot it out.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 2:08:30 AM

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Rulemylife you have an assumption that the news reports are actually 100% accurate, and that they contain all the relevant facts. Also, how do you know what the actuall contents of the shed was? How do we know what was said, perhaps the thief was threatening to come back and hurt the man's familly. The only reason there was a situtation at all was a teenager decided to go thieving.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 2:12:35 AM

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Of course any situation is dependant on the circumstances. Having a gun does not protect you 100% of the time. Of course there are situations where having a gun is futile. And there are times when they are very usefull, often only by brandishing.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 2:15:47 AM

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I carry a gun because a Cop is too heavy.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 2:20:48 AM

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I carry a gun because a Cop is too heavy.

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RE: Police protection v Concealed carry - 1/1/2009 2:43:47 AM

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Rulemylife you have an assumption that the news reports are actually 100% accurate, and that they contain all the relevant facts. Also, how do you know what the actuall contents of the shed was? How do we know what was said, perhaps the thief was threatening to come back and hurt the man's familly. The only reason there was a situtation at all was a teenager decided to go thieving.

I tried to find a link to it but couldn't. I'll search again.

The reason I know it was accurate was most of the story was based on quotes from the owner and his regret at having killed an unarmed child in a state of adrenaline-pumped panic.

As far as the contents of the shed, does it matter? Would a $5000 garden tractor been enough value to justify taking a life.

Yes, the only reason there was this situation was because of the kid trying to steal, but the last I looked robbery wasn't a capital crime, and he was already running away with nothing after being confronted.

The only threat that existed here was to the man's garden tools. He could have easily called the police, turned on a light to scare the kid away, yelled at him from behind a locked door, any number of other actions than confronting him with a gun. There was no immediate danger to him or his family that required him to do that.

Did he have a right to do that? Absolutely. Now he has to live with the fact he took a life in order to protect a few hundred dollars worth of junk, and if you could have seen his interview on the news you would understand how well he realized that when it was too late.

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