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RE: Forced bi? - 1/5/2009 4:23:46 PM

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Ok. I can finally attend to this matter when My head isn't full of additional endorphins. When I'm floaty, this is one of those subjects that can get Me quite stirred up.

Every time these threads come up, of course we have to discuss the term "forced" bi before we can get anywhere. Personally, I do agree that the term "encouraged" bi is probably more realistic. It's very much the same as forced femme, rape play, and a number of other topics. For some, it is the idea of being forced, even when they truly aren't, is part of the fun and I'm not going to go against that. Those of us who have participated in it know there is a lot that goes into this in preparation. There's also a huge responsibility in caring for the emotional well being for those who struggle with the concept.

Personally, My preference is for the scenario of those who are what I term "orally" bi. I think it's one of the hottest acts that a sub can do for Me. That includes everything from strap on sucking to actually making the leap to involving another male. There is just something about it that drives Me out of My head.

Also, I should mention that I enjoy all ends of the spectrum on this one. Everything from males who already identify as bi to those who have the internal struggle accepting the act. I see it very much the same as those who enjoy pain in their own right to those who suffer pain for Me. There are delicious advantages to both and I would have difficulty choosing which I prefer over the other.

One last comment. I don't ask for My males to be anally bi. As far as I'm concerned, as long as I have a strap on, the ass is Mine.

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/6/2009 9:39:10 AM

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i have particitpated in bi scenes before being a cuckold i was always the sbmissive sucker of course!! i see myself as 100% straight. A former domme of mine enjoyed forced bi sceanrios and would only agree to meet up with bulls who were not adverse to having their cocks sucked by me as a precursor to having intercourse with her.

knowing this every time she went on a date with a new bull would send me into a state of mind undescribile a mixture of fear,terpidation and excitiment. the sheer humilition of the act for a mature straight orientatied man is extreme (many a time i had to suck a cock with more than ma'am and her bull present) the fact ma'am would make sure i had stayed in chastity for quite a considerabile time before theses event would add further to the frustration in fact she used to enjoy giving the bulls the key to my chastity device to hang on to until their next visit. this would arise conflicitng images as you can imagine

a) if the bull comes back im going to be skull fucked again

b) but if he doesnt????

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/6/2009 9:54:23 AM

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I guess I'm a bit strange. I tried the "force bi" thing for someone...I tried REALLY hard. But I flipped out. I couldn't do it. I'm not homophobic, and it's not a displacement or denial of feelings...I just flipped. I thought because of the relationship dynamic I'd be willing and capable of it, but I was sooooooo wrong. I wish I'd been properly taken care of afterwards, I may not be as closed off to the idea now if that hadn't happened.

I have to say it really sucks when a dom wont even look at you if you're not bisexual.

I'm just a selfish brat, I don't like to share and I don't like to be shared. But I guess that's just me.

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/6/2009 10:48:05 AM

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Ok. I can finally attend to this matter when My head isn't full of additional endorphins. When I'm floaty, this is one of those subjects that can get Me quite stirred up.

Every time these threads come up, of course we have to discuss the term "forced" bi before we can get anywhere. Personally, I do agree that the term "encouraged" bi is probably more realistic. It's very much the same as forced femme, rape play, and a number of other topics. For some, it is the idea of being forced, even when they truly aren't, is part of the fun and I'm not going to go against that. Those of us who have participated in it know there is a lot that goes into this in preparation. There's also a huge responsibility in caring for the emotional well being for those who struggle with the concept.

Personally, My preference is for the scenario of those who are what I term "orally" bi. I think it's one of the hottest acts that a sub can do for Me. That includes everything from strap on sucking to actually making the leap to involving another male. There is just something about it that drives Me out of My head.

Also, I should mention that I enjoy all ends of the spectrum on this one. Everything from males who already identify as bi to those who have the internal struggle accepting the act. I see it very much the same as those who enjoy pain in their own right to those who suffer pain for Me. There are delicious advantages to both and I would have difficulty choosing which I prefer over the other.

One last comment. I don't ask for My males to be anally bi. As far as I'm concerned, as long as I have a strap on, the ass is Mine.

As usual Ms Pact, your posts are right on the money... i wish W/we did not live so far apart. i can only hope that someday i will find someone like You local to me.

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/7/2009 1:21:27 PM

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Ok. I can finally attend to this matter when My head isn't full of additional endorphins. When I'm floaty, this is one of those subjects that can get Me quite stirred up.

Every time these threads come up, of course we have to discuss the term "forced" bi before we can get anywhere. Personally, I do agree that the term "encouraged" bi is probably more realistic. It's very much the same as forced femme, rape play, and a number of other topics. For some, it is the idea of being forced, even when they truly aren't, is part of the fun and I'm not going to go against that. Those of us who have participated in it know there is a lot that goes into this in preparation. There's also a huge responsibility in caring for the emotional well being for those who struggle with the concept.

Personally, My preference is for the scenario of those who are what I term "orally" bi. I think it's one of the hottest acts that a sub can do for Me. That includes everything from strap on sucking to actually making the leap to involving another male. There is just something about it that drives Me out of My head.

Also, I should mention that I enjoy all ends of the spectrum on this one. Everything from males who already identify as bi to those who have the internal struggle accepting the act. I see it very much the same as those who enjoy pain in their own right to those who suffer pain for Me. There are delicious advantages to both and I would have difficulty choosing which I prefer over the other.

One last comment. I don't ask for My males to be anally bi. As far as I'm concerned, as long as I have a strap on, the ass is Mine.

perfectly stated as usual m'Lady. so M/many seem to get hung up on the "forced" word, and there being so many dynamics around it then can be taken by just a single word.

thinking You are probably quite experienced at this now, and hoping that one day, my One, and my day will come. the thoughts of being taken back as well as front constantly spinning in my mind...

again, perfectly stated

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/7/2009 4:12:04 PM

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forced bi is about as often mistaken in meaning as domme is in pronunciation.

no one is forcing you to act other than yourself, there is no rape. being asked to and agreeing to participate bisexually in activities is no different than any other engagement, be it a massage, washing the dishes, or just 'not moving'.

in many cases, you need no willpower; i'd jump at the chance to perform many things [as everyone would] because they're satisfying to us, in and of themselves. other things which we may just be abstain about or completely dislike require more than our self indulgent desires, and in the case of something like a straight person being asked to perform in a bisexual manner there's only one thing that comes into play by my opinion; the strength of your resolve.

pretty much anyone into 'forced bi', 'forced femme', or 'forced anything' are already bi, cross dress, or do whatever the interest happens to be, and what they're really looking for is someone with similar interests to feed their real fetish, which is 'being told what to do'. others of course are looking for a comfortable hand to help them into uncomfortable territory, someone to help them out of the closet, yet the fact remains that they were already in the closet.

if you were asked/told/whatever to eat cardboard, it would be along the same lines of 'forced bi'. remaining inside the bounds of consenual they aren't forcing you to do anything, you are the one forcing yourself to do everything, and to do it for someone else.

that's my appeal in 'forced' scenarios. while i can't say i would enjoy tolerating things outside of my comfort zone too often, i find the idea of both being pushed, and doing things i may downright dislike or even loathe for someone else's sake to be... defining. if there's one thing i could say about my ideal partner, it's that i wouldn't want to be with someone afraid to push or test my bounds. i'm not sure if it's some self righteous enjoyment of feeling like i've made sacrifice, or if i like feeling victimized, or feel like i deserve pity, or if it's simply what people call 'growing', but that's my attraction to 'forced' scenarios. however, there are many things that can be 'forced', and thankfully forcing myself to act as though i were bisexual is only one of them, so in all likelihood i can avoid it since i tend to linger more endearingly to monogamy.

anyone wanting 'forced bi' in my opinion is simply bisexual already, wants to be told what to do, to pretend/roleplay that it isn't what they want, and has interest in poly/swinging/whatever you want to call it.

so, i have no answer to your question of 'scenarios' really, but there's plenty of that 'perspective' you were looking for. the sticking point i expect you will encounter is even if you can get passed the 'body', the 'voice' will undoubtedly make a big impact and get under your skin; any moans or communication from the male will probably serve as a more prominent and unignorable reminder to exactly what you've gotten yourself into than a dick in the mouth even would. another sticking point is since you're giving this forethought, you probably have the 'ideal male' image in your mind, but who you end up with could look as 'cute' as brad pitt, be as hairy as burt reynolds, or look like michael moore. you can almost expect your 'vision' to clash in some degree with whatever woman you serve.

it's all about limits/resolve/willpower. what you are willing to do for 1000 dollars, and what you are willing to do in a matter of life and death, is seldom going to have the same answers. you can 'almost' completely rest assured that the biggest interest 'she' has in 'forced' scenarios outside of simple 'kink enjoyments', is in finding out "how far will you go, and what exactly will you do for her". if you're already bi, you're not going very far out of your way for her, and that's fine, but i personally dislike embellishing things.

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/7/2009 4:16:10 PM

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while i can't say i would enjoy tolerating things outside of my comfort zone too often, i find the idea of both being pushed, and doing things i dislike for someone else's sake to be... defining. i'm not sure if it's sacrifice, or if i like feeling victimized/pitied, or if it's simply what people call 'growing', but that's my attraction to 'forcing myself'.

That is an extremely well defined explanation why I find "forced", difficult, and/or humilating activities so attractive. Thank you for that!

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/8/2009 2:58:33 AM

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but dont many submissves or even Dommes / Doms enjoy mind fucking games on submissives

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/8/2009 4:19:22 AM

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anyone wanting 'forced bi' in my opinion is simply bisexual already, wants to be told what to do, to pretend/roleplay that it isn't what they want, and has interest in poly/swinging/whatever you want to call it.

Being bi sexual means you are attracted to both sexes. If a Mistress has her boy give another male a blow job, that does not necessarily mean her sub is attracted to men. He may be doing it just to please her. The act itself does not change his orientation. If my Mistress wants me to let some guy fuck me, that isn't going to change my orientation. It will not make me attracted to men, it just makes her happy.

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/8/2009 5:09:55 AM

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Being bi sexual means you are attracted to both sexes. If a Mistress has her boy give another male a blow job, that does not necessarily mean her sub is attracted to men. He may be doing it just to please her. The act itself does not change his orientation. If my Mistress wants me to let some guy fuck me, that isn't going to change my orientation. It will not make me attracted to men, it just makes her happy.

i mentioned no such thing.

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anyone wanting 'forced bi'...

though since it's been brought up...

once a person starts walking the path, if they keep on it, there's a pretty good chance they're going to reach the end of it. people do get used to things that are unexpected, i'm sure everyone has heard of some case similar to one where a soldier coming back from a war in which they slept on the ground every night no longer feel right on a bed, and so they drag a pillow and some blankets onto their floor.

i'm not saying it will for sure happen, but saying it for sure won't is as iffy as saying 'i have no desire to take drugs, so if i do take them and give em a try, there's no way i'll become addicted'. all it takes is a little push sometimes, or opening an unexpected door, and who knows where any of us might end up. the rule of thumb is that people generally never end up in the same place they began though~

anyway, it's like the difference between taking meds because your doctor prescribed them to you, and going to the doctor because you hope you'll be getting some groovy pills from them.

if the sub is the one that is seeking and interested in having sex with others of the same gender, i think it's safe to say where their orientation falls.

how would such a conversation play out anyway? "mistress, i want to have sex with other men. oh wait, i mean, i want you to want me to force myself to have sex with other men, but i don't want it at all... promise! i just really really really really want to suck some cock... but only because you told me too though, of course."

which leads into what? in the middle of the scene saying "i'm so glad i'm doing this, i've wanted to for so long, thanks for 'forcing me'..."?

that's way different from the situation of the dom/me being the one interested/proposing it.

people can't willfully change their orientation on a whim, but if you ask me, people can't pull the trigger and expect that nothing will happen either. you'd have to be emotionally dead to not 'respond', i don't see how anyone could be so uncaring that they remain completely abstain as to who or what they sleep with.

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/8/2009 4:42:14 PM

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I agree with LadyPact saying its more "encouraged" bi rather than forced.

I am young so my sexually is alittle less experienced. Sucking a strapon has always been enough for. I more open to trying to be orally bi myself not much of a fan of taking it from a guy in the back door

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RE: Forced bi? - 1/8/2009 5:26:45 PM

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Sucking a strapon has always been enough for. I more open to trying to be orally bi myself not much of a fan of taking it from a guy in the back door

And I'll bet you look damn fine doing it, too.

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RE: Forced bi? - 3/9/2009 11:47:31 PM

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the sticking point i expect you will encounter is even if you can get passed the 'body', the 'voice' will undoubtedly make a big impact and get under your skin; any moans or communication from the male will probably serve as a more prominent and unignorable reminder to exactly what you've gotten yourself into than a dick in the mouth even would. another sticking point is since you're giving this forethought, you probably have the 'ideal male' image in your mind, but who you end up with could look as 'cute' as brad pitt, be as hairy as burt reynolds, or look like michael moore. you can almost expect your 'vision' to clash in some degree with whatever woman you serve.

Very insightful post, particularly the part quoted above. Thanks for taking the time to write such a thoughtful post.

Addressing the issue of the word 'forced'... I use it simply as a generic term for the activity. Very likely because I enjoy the idea of force... the fantasy that it is against my will - yes, it's roleplay, and yes 'encouraged' may be a more apt term, but 'forced' plays more into the fantasy... and as someone who enjoys the mind fuck as much or more than the physical aspects of play, that can be a very powerful tool.

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