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kdsub -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 4:39:56 PM)

I would say the bottom line is ...you must spend some real time around anyone to get a perception of that person. I have met some supposedly dominant men that seemed timid. Anyone meeting me in real time would never say timid...or submissive..yet I do know some people that call themselves submissive and yes they are almost feminine in their movement and actions.

I don't think a label is the true measure of anyone. All the labels like bottom...slave...submissive...dominant... are just generalities  that do not  truly label us as individuals...We may decide to call ourselves by these labels but no one is exactly anything all the time.

Butch




chiaThePet -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 4:46:30 PM)

 
Often times, when I wish to venture outside free of the taunts and stares of others,
I labor in ultimate masculinity to mask my submissive nature and go forth incognito.

I find Speed Stick (Ribeye Nights scent) and Hai Karate Cologne throws them off.

As long as I remember to adjust my crotch in a timely manner, no one is the wiser.

This of course has no bearing on my respect and admiration for Dominant men.

No, really, I love Dominant men.

Really.

All the time.

There's one now.

Gotta go.

"Well hello there, is that Brut by any chance?"

chia* (the pet)




CatdeMedici -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 4:58:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

I hate to break the news to you MadRabbit, but my shirts are purple with lace on the cuffs and down the front. And when I fell really butch, that's when I wear my skin tight leather pants and harness! Pink shirts is so last year....*rolls eyes*


Pics, we want pics!!!! oh sorry.




CelticPrince -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 5:01:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

( I am not making an generalization here, however I have heard the following statement an awful lot in both online and real community activities and seen it demonstrated with more than a tad of hostility at dungeons.)
 
" Straight Male dominants have no use for male submissives"--so here is the scenario:
 
Its a new year, time for new beginnings, at your yearly party last night ( you being a Male Dominant)---your best friend, life long college roommate, football season ticket holder buddy confesses he has to make a radical change in his life--he has to be what he always wanted to be--submissive to a woman, he has someone he can finally express this side with and he is ready to embrace it. Your reaction is:
 
Feel differently? Look at him differently? Lump in your throat? Treat him differently?
 
Do you feel as the quote above states? If so why, if not why not?
 
 
 
<puts on Her flame retardent coat>
 
 
 


Cat,

Noe of the above! Being submissive does not make him less a male any more that being dominant makes a Dom a better male.

It a male is wired that way so what unless he has eyes on my package.

CP




Huntertn -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 5:37:16 PM)

It would not change..I'd like to think I'dsee that comming..but the fact is..a friend is a friend...and thats that




Focus50 -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 5:50:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I am still trying to get clues as to how these intuitive people are able to tell if a man is submissive? I mean if its so obvious, what are some of the clues?
 
Perhaps it will put your mind at ease if we just agree that what we generalise as intincts or intuition etc is merely just prejudice afterall.  But geeeez I've made some outrageously lucky guesses at zeroing in on those rare fem/subs in a predominantly nilla female world, too....

quote:

I can assure you, would bear or blutarsky walk in to My work environment or be ahead of Me in the grocery line I could not tell---but perhaps that warrants a thread of its own, I dont want to be accused of hijacking My own thread.

I'm not sure what this "bear or blutarsky" is but they/he/it sure doesn't sound like that *best friend* context from your OP anymore.  But if you're now talking about stranger male subs, I just look for the tattoo on their forehead....  <shrugs>
 
Maybe if the goal posts weren't so movable?
 
Focus.




SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 6:14:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

I'm not sure what this "bear or blutarsky" is but they/he/it sure doesn't sound like that *best friend* context from your OP anymore.  But if you're now talking about stranger male subs, I just look for the tattoo on their forehead....  <shrugs>



I'm the Blutarsky referred to in her post, and I am assuming she's referring to your comment that you could tell if your friend was submissive and that birds of a feather flock together etc.

Speaking from personal experience, there's no way you'd know about me, and a lot more people than you'd probably care to admit.

I had a friend come out to me in college who was a former Marine, Desert Storm vet, high school all state football player blah blah blah. I had no clue that he was gay, nor did anyone in our circle of friends, of which I was the only one he told.

In my learning to deal with my own submission, and learning about other people I've met, the one thing is constant is that there are parts of people's personalities that you will always be surprised at.

Like I said earlier, I've been best friends with the guy I told about my submission for 20+ years, I'm closer to him than I am to my own sisters and father. He had no idea. None. And he's really, really smart, runs a very successful business and makes a very nice living figuring out and negotiating with people for a living.

To think that you'd know, like you've got some sort of ESP about people is just simply outlandish.




beargonewild -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 6:22:43 PM)

and I'm the "bear" CatdeMedici was referring to! 




Focus50 -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 6:50:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SlaveBlutarsky

quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

I'm not sure what this "bear or blutarsky" is but they/he/it sure doesn't sound like that *best friend* context from your OP anymore.  But if you're now talking about stranger male subs, I just look for the tattoo on their forehead....  <shrugs>



To think that you'd know, like you've got some sort of ESP about people is just simply outlandish.

What's outlandish is you implying you know me and we'll just hafta disagree....  I do *not* have ESP but I reckon I'd know. 
 
The thing about "best friends", well mine, anyway, is that you get to see them interact at close quarters with their own families and other friends etc and somewhere along the line there'd be something that makes the observant Dom in me take notice.  And it's not like they don't get enough clues about my own persuasions that might enable them to drop their guard; if putting up a "shield" is what they've been doing all along.... 
 
Focus.




Maxwell67 -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 9:12:22 PM)

*FR*
I would have to say it depends entirely on which male friend it was who confessed this to me.  In some cases I would be surprised and yes, it would change my opinion of them, but not in any negative manner.  In other cases I would be happy they finally admitted to themselves something I've suspected for some time, and depending on who it was, I might even help them to find a good mistress.  Do I consider submissive men as a group to be in some way inferior or weaker?  No, absolutely not.  Do I consider some men who happen to be submissive to be inferior or weak, well, yes, but not because they are submissive.  I also consider some men who identify as dominant to be inferior or weaker, but in those cases I must admit that their identification as dominant might have something to do with that, depending on my opinion of how they exercise what they are calling their "dominance."




dreamysubmale -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/3/2009 9:24:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I am still trying to get clues as to how these intuitive people are able to tell if a man is submissive? I mean if its so obvious, what are some of the clues?
 
I can assure you, would bear or blutarsky walk in to My work environment or be ahead of Me in the grocery line I could not tell---but perhaps that warrants a thread of its own, I dont want to be accused of hijacking My own thread.
 
I’ve heard through the crape vine, that much evolved super twue Doms can actually sniff out the scent of a submissive. [8|]




powerplaying -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 4:47:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
" Straight Male dominants have no use for male submissives"--so here is the scenario:


You must be very straight to think so. I wouldn't mind whipping a guy who wants to clean up my rooms. I might no be interested in his dick, but if he's really young, blond and cute ...

quote:


Its a new year, time for new beginnings, at your yearly party last night ( you being a Male Dominant)---your best friend, life long college roommate,


I am dominant. I don't share my room with other people. I would soon start to kill them. Suppose, they hang up ugly posters, listen to music I don't like or start to fart. Roommates are for vanillas and subs.

quote:


football season ticket holder buddy confesses he has to make a radical change in his life--he has to be what he always wanted to be--submissive to a woman, he has someone he can finally express this side with and he is ready to embrace it. Your reaction is:
 
Feel differently?


Yes. One more guy out of the way. One more guy I don't need to see as an enemy and would love to kill (just restricted by civilization etc.).
BTW: My best friend is married, vanilla and has 4 children. I don't care what he's doing with his wife.

Best wishes





IamShe -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 10:46:18 AM)

I've been approached over the years by quite a few Dominant men wanting to 'secretly' explore their masochistic side, not so much as a submissive but as a man interested in pain and it's effects on their subs.

I think many times the male Dom bias against submales is simply part of the Dom's public persona - because the male Dom doesn't want to be seen as 'soft' in any way.

I'm more impressed by the male Dom's who are empathetic towards male subs.  It has been my pleasure to know a few, so I'm sure there are quite a few out there. 

I've enjoyed reading the posts on this thread from male Dom's who show such empathy and consideration.

I am She




pixidustpet -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 12:14:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Roguescharm

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyTeazer

This might be slightly off topic, but from the other side of the coin......    In a way, I can understand that opinion in a male Dom.   As a female Domme, I admit that at times I have a rather unflattering opinion of female subs.   Examples:  a Dom and female sub are sitting on the couch, watching TV.  He says "Go get me a beer/a glass of iced tea/a sandwich", or whatever.  And even before he has finished speaking, she jumps up and races off to the kitchen.  Or, he says "My shirts are not folded correctly" after she has spent hours doing the laundry, and she, in tears, apologizes profusely, and immediately re-folds them.   My gut reaction to a scenario like that is  "You dumb bunny.  You're not a stupid doormat.  Grow a backbone and act like you have a brain in your head."    I do not mean to offend the female subs out there.  This is just my opinion.  I know that you choose to be a sub, because that is what you enjoy.   But in certain circumstances, seeing a female behave like that (whether she is into BDSM, or is just very vanilla) really ruffles my feathers,  as I feel that all the advances women have made have just been wiped out, and we're back in 1809 instead of 2009. 
 


Sorry if I'm hijacking I just had to get this out. The above is almost exactly how I feel, and I feel all the worse for reacting this way because I identify as a sub. It's maddening. It doesn't matter how much I tell myself that it's their/our/my choice; I still feel like I'm somehow letting the side down. It sucks. [:'(]

Sorry for the interjection, it just sort of struck me like lightning.

As for the OP, I haven't had enough IRL interaction to see it, but I do come across it online. I can't say the subject gets my interest much, but I do wonder about the Doms who put down male subs a lot. Sometimes seems like they're over-compensating...



that.....hurt.

if its okay my choice as submissive/slave to be with a dominant, and my choice as that bottom/submissive/slave to let that dominant put me into situations that might do me lasting physical damage....why isnt it ok if i *choose* to jump up and get the partner of my choice something if s/he says so?  or make sure the laundry/housework/cooking is done to that person's wishes?

i spent 16 years with wolf.  i got up before he did to make him coffee and bring it to him in bed.  rubbed his shoulders while he got awake.  made sure his shirts were folded the way HE liked them, and his socks folded around one another (but not stretched over one another, because that ruined them) by left and right.  and yes, there IS apparently a left and right sock.  his work shirts hung on the hanger to where they faced left and not right, all work pants hung so that the pleat down the front was perfect.

wolf is not a dominant.  *not* a dominant.  but he was picky about some things and i never blinked after learning how he wanted things, it was just the way it is.  i did things that made his life easier, and made him happy....because i didnt work outside the home, and it made it easier for him to relax and be "home" if he had things the way he liked them.  me getting up to get him things, get his iced tea, serve his dinner (with the meat cut into the size pieces he preferred, or sandwiches cut into triangles NOT rectangles) was to make *me* happy, because it pleased me to see the smile and hear "thank you" and know he was content.

*sighs*  now, i get down off the soapbox....

and OP, hearing that a friend of mine has discovered what makes them happy is a good thing, as long as it isnt self-destructive.  being submissive isnt self-destructive.

kitten




Evility -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 12:41:04 PM)

I chat online often on IRC in fetish channels. I have a IRC nick that is fairly androgynous in that it does not shout out male or female. I have been hit on on a regular basis for the past five years by submissive males. They ask if I am male or female or dispense with the questions and assume outright that I am female. After answering their question or correcting their assumption - poof  -the majority are gone. Not even polite enough to say "thank you for your time". After five years of this sort of behavior I will confess that I don't hold submissive males in very high regard.




FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 1:59:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Evility
I have been hit on on a regular basis for the past five years by submissive males. They ask if I am male or female or dispense with the questions and assume outright that I am female. After answering their question or correcting their assumption - poof  -the majority are gone. Not even polite enough to say "thank you for your time". After five years of this sort of behavior I will confess that I don't hold submissive males in very high regard.
Don't take it personally, as they do that to women as well. For that matter, I don't think it's a male submissive problem, as much as a "people with poor manners, and shady character" problem. M




SoulPiercer -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 2:18:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyTeazer
This might be slightly off topic, but from the other side of the coin......    In a way, I can understand that opinion in a male Dom.   As a female Domme, I admit that at times I have a rather unflattering opinion of female subs.   Examples:  a Dom and female sub are sitting on the couch, watching TV.  He says "Go get me a beer/a glass of iced tea/a sandwich", or whatever.  And even before he has finished speaking, she jumps up and races off to the kitchen.  Or, he says "My shirts are not folded correctly" after she has spent hours doing the laundry, and she, in tears, apologizes profusely, and immediately re-folds them.   My gut reaction to a scenario like that is  "You dumb bunny.  You're not a stupid doormat.  Grow a backbone and act like you have a brain in your head."    I do not mean to offend the female subs out there.  This is just my opinion.  I know that you choose to be a sub, because that is what you enjoy.   But in certain circumstances, seeing a female behave like that (whether she is into BDSM, or is just very vanilla) really ruffles my feathers,  as I feel that all the advances women have made have just been wiped out, and we're back in 1809 instead of 2009.

LadyTeazer -- proud and happy Owner of  [saberwolf34]
and still a WOW - Wonderful Older Woman  


Question for you LadyTeazer - Which advances that women have made have been wiped out by kimmie running to the kitchen to get me a drink?

If I observe saberwolf34 massaging your feet, has history suddenly changed and mankind no longer is technologically advanced enough to sustain flight?

*WARNING* If you easily offended stop reading now.

Seriously though, I can identify with your view. Many years ago I was exposed to something that I never, ever expected to see in the BDSM "scene". I was at a play party where I overheard a white dominant address his black submissive as his "nigger bitch". She in turn addressed him as "massa".

My first instinct was to shake her and ask her WTF she was doing. After taking a deep breath and confirming it was still in fact 1998, to my relief, I quickly got over it. I undertood that was their thing and her choice didn't change the fact that George Washington Carver gave us peanut agricultural science.

Now .. if you'll excuse me .. I'm going to have kimmie make me a peanut butta sammich.




T1981 -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 2:36:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer

Many years ago I was exposed to something that I never, ever expected to see in the BDSM "scene". I was at a play party where I overheard a white dominant address his black submissive as his "nigger bitch". She in turn addressed him as "massa".

My first instinct was to shake her and ask her WTF she was doing. After taking a deep breath and confirming it was still in fact 1998, to my relief, I quickly got over it. I undertood that was their thing and her choice didn't change the fact that George Washington Carver gave us peanut agricultural science.


First reaction:

[sm=jaw.gif]  Second reaction:
[sm=biggrin.gif]

Am I going to hell for that?




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/4/2009 2:50:02 PM)

I was talking to an old school friend about a year ago and this came up in conversation, I didn't know he was sub, he didn't know I'm Dom. But I just  looked at it as I would anything else someone may be into that I'm not-they do what they want and I do what I want; to each their own. I don't see any conflict what-so-ever.




chezzy71 -> RE: Male Perceptions of males (1/5/2009 11:09:57 AM)

ithink the perception that most male doms are jerks  is probably true.but it is like anything else..there are some jerky Dominas as well as subs and the like.And obviously,there are some great male doms whom are not arrogant or jerky.i do not have any male dom friends nor do i care to really.my interest has always been female and in fact am now wearing Mistress's training collar.




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