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truly permanent glue - 1/3/2009 10:59:52 AM   
msstephanysbitch


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Status: offline 		I have heard of and seen a glue used in hospitals thats of a eposy nature and secures skin so it never comes apart but I have yet to see any of this sold bootleg over the internet either in the us or outside. Claims is better and more permanent than superglue and once left on for a certain amount of time is unremoveable short of surgery would anyone know anthting about this. the hospital called it durabond but I have had no contacts showing the medical grade of this anywhere.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/3/2009 11:03:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		At work we have durabond. I think it is a brand name (related to loctite).

IF you mean the stuff..they use to glue wounds with...well..it doesn't have to last that long..because the skin grows together again.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/3/2009 11:12:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Like Dermabond or something? I don't think they've come out with something permanent yet, but it's possible I suppose. Like JustDarkness said, it's not going to stay on forever because your skin grows together and flakes off.  I've used superglue several times to stick cuts and things back together though, works just fine.


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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/3/2009 11:23:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's a super glue thread going on right now over in Health & Safety.....

I had my back operated on 3 years ago and they glued me back together, rather than use sutures or staples.  It pretty much came off on its own, and they advised me to use only baby shampoo & soap until it did.  And of course, by the time it did, about a week, I was healed up enough to not need it anymore.

I would assume, being advised to use baby-strength soaps, that a harsher soap could dissove it, or at least weaken it.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/3/2009 11:38:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: msstephanysbitch

Claims is better and more permanent than superglue and once left on for a certain amount of time is unremoveable short of surgery would anyone know anthting about this.

Basic anatomy will show that this is just not possible.  Skin is constantly regenerating itself and you lose billions of cells every day.  As new cells are created at the bottom of the epidermis and rise to the top of the epidermis, the cells on top fall off, along with any glue that might be attached to those cells.  At best, it would last for three or 4 weeks.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/3/2009 11:51:07 AM   
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Original: JustDarkness

IF you mean the stuff..they use to glue wounds with...well..it doesn't have to last that long..because the skin grows together again.



Thank You JustDArkness it keeps me from unsing my ''english brain'' after a ruff fetish party night *LOL*

I also had something similar after i have cut my finger... they super glues it and the skin growth back together after 1 week or so. Never heard of something ''permanent'' sorry.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/3/2009 12:00:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Out of curiosity, what would you want to permanently glue to someone? Wouldn't body modifications like tatoos or piercings work just as well?

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 1:16:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The glue they use at hospitals isn't permanent at all, it is simply like a super glue for skin.  It lasts long enough to let the skin heal underneath.

The problem with it in BDSM (in my humble experience) is the setting time.  It takes a few minutes to set, and is very runny when you put it on.  So it pools sometimes where you don't want it to, while missing where you did want it.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 1:52:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dermabond  stitches in a bottle.....what exactly are you wanting to glue together forever?

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 1:59:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dermabond is the best as far as staying on in stress areas. Endermil is another brand, not quite as good - in my humble opinion - however, when i ran a gouge into the heel of my hand, after swearing a bit and shaking blood everywhere, endermil is what i used to glue my hand up. Deep cut, healed in two weeks, and the scar is thinner than the regular creases in my hand. Great stuff!

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 2:12:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Durabond makes a medical grade (guaranteed sterile) and a nuclear grade (guaranteed chloride and nickel free)

All in all, it is cyanoacrylic... superglue.

Superglue was originally designed for emergency dental repairs.  And, EMTs soon found it was excellent for temporary sutures in a hurry.

It is not permanent unless applied to bone.  It is used to cement in replacement joints and orthopoedic pins.

It will last on skin until the skin sloughs away in healing.  You can seal a cut with superglue, but to glue suture without leaving a scar, go to the professionals with practice.

Now if you want more permanent glue, none is more permanent than catalytic setting phenolic resin... epoxy.  But, it is toxic to humans until polymerized.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 2:42:06 PM   
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Superglue was originally designed for emergency dental repairs.

No, it wasn't.

History of Super Glue

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 2:55:23 PM   
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You can seal a cut with superglue, but to glue suture without leaving a scar, go to the professionals with practice.

Stefan



If you have a cut needing suturing - it will leave a scar. No ifs-and-or-buts.   However, if you have someone use dermabond or endermil that has used it before - there is a good chance the scar will be thinner because they HAVE used it before - they know what it is going to do, therefore, be able to make the edges approximate better.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 4:58:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Medics began using superglue during the Vietnam War is my recollection. But as everyone else says, it's only meant to last for a few days before the skin itself has begun to heal. I don't know of anything that would glue fingers together and last forever despite the outer layer of the skin sloughing off as it renews itself.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 6:40:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry.. wrong terminology.  Superglue was first MARKETED for emergency dental repair in 1964.  At least that is the first it appeared in my mom's medical catalogs.
In the 70's, Eastman 910 adhesive was a very very pricey specialty glue ($20 a tube).  Then the patent ran out and you saw the infomercials with the guy hanging from his hard hat.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 6:51:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dermabond and Indermil are the medical grade glues you are referring to.  Indermil must be refrigerated and tends to set up a bit more quickly.  ERs tend to go for the Indermil and other hospital departments the Dermabond.  It's quite expensive.

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RE: truly permanent glue - 1/5/2009 11:54:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently another gotcha is "showering" & "runniness" & "refrigeration" considerations as witnessed by this description which advertises Dermabond by comparing the two cyanoacrylate glues as follows ...

Dermabond: 2-octyl cyanoacrylate (8-carbon side-chain)
Indermil: n-butyl-2-cyanoacrylate (4-carbon side-chain)

Dermabond: Patient may shower immediately
Indermil: Patient may not shower for 48 hours

Dermabond: Contains plasticizers for flexible bond and high wound-closure strength
Indermil: No plasticizers for a lower wound-closure strength

Dermabond: High viscosity formulation
Indermil: Lower viscosity formulation

Dermabond: Might not require bandage
Indermil: Not water-resistant, water-resistant bandage required for first 48 hours

Dermabond: No refrigeration required, 2-year shelf life
Indermil: Refrigeration required, if refrigerated, shelf life of 2 years, if not refrigerated, shelf life of 4 weeks

Given just this information, I'd suspect Dermabond to be more usable in D/s situations, if it's usable at all. ... YMMV

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