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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 12:43:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: winterlight

I am hearing impaired and because of that i don't get what people are saying which to them makes me extremely stupid.
I read as much as i can. Currently reading John Adams and a few other books.

I do NOT like to debate as i cannot hear all of what is being said. I don't get much information through my ears that other people with normal hearing do so i am way behind on many topics. If i tried to read everything i needed to i would never get other things done.


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You are way ahead of the game, because you care, and want to learn.
I have always loved to read and I love to learn about all sorts of things.

I think part of what LadyE is saying, is what is in the head's of people that don't seem to care about things that WILL effect them.
Oh, Lady E ????
 
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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 12:46:51 PM   
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Indeed Luci - it is lonely; thats why I come here so often.

There is simply no doubt they have less information to make use of. Sorry, but thats a fact.

Whether the acquisition and retention of such information is actually of any merit whatever, thats a different matter. What we do note is that those to whom we refer do seem generally more content in life, aside from often bizarre entanglements that could have come from any soap opera script.

The question is, what do they think about? The problem here, is that the sort of people who frequent these boards are unlikely to be able to answer, not being members of that particular part of the population.

E




So who exactly decides which information is considered important enough for people like you to gain... and which info is beneath you?


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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 1:02:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Howard Gardner theorized that there are many kinds of intelligence:
Verbal
Logical-mathematical
Spatial
Bodily-kinesthetic
Musical
Interpersonal
Intrapersonal
Naturalistic
Most people would identify the first two types as "smart", but we cannot deny the "giftedness" of dancers, musicians, those with keen insight into others, philosophers, athletes, theologians, builders, chefs, and so on. A relative of mine only has a 6th grade education- yet she is a brilliant cook, an amazing housekeeper, and a gifted gardener. I'm sure she has plenty of things to occupy her mind, even if it's not debating the war, discussing the economy, or whatever. Her husband didn't finish high school either, but he served in the military, and traveled the world-seeing and doing things I can only imagine. He can fix ANYTHING that is broken. He has amassed a small fortune with his sense of what to buy and when , and how to turn it around for a sizable profit. I would not describe either one of them as having empty heads- they merely have different thoughts. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a healthy debate, and "intellectual" types, but I know that when I want some amazing pound cake, advice on what to do about my dying plants, and help with my broken heater, I am not going to my debate buddies for answers

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 1:18:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		All information is useful Lynnxz - or could be.

And this isnt necessarily about intelligence (as in the ability to figure things out) as such - its about the acquisition and retention and application of information to reasoning and understanding. One could be extremely intelligent, but without the information one's intellect is of little advantage - and one could be sub par intellect wise, but knowing a lot and making use of it be quite capable of reasoning and understanding the world.

The sort of people I'm discussing are the ones (as Mz Mia worked out) who dont seem to have the information required to make sense of the world and dont seem to have any interest in acquiring it. And not "the world" as in the complexities of history, geopolitics and such, but their own day to day world in their locale. It interests me as to how they make sense of things, what they think about and so on.

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 1:25:16 PM   
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"Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one."
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We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.  ~Albert Einstein

I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.  ~Mark Twain, "The Innocents Abroad"
 
If the Aborigine drafted an I.Q. test, all of Western civilization would presumably flunk it.  ~Stanley Garn
 
What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.  ~Sigmund Freud
 
The bookful blockhead, ignorantly read,
With loads of learned lumber in his head.
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There is nobody so irritating as somebody with less intelligence and more sense than we have.  ~Don Herold
 
The invention of IQ does a great disservice to creativity in education.  ~Joel Hildebrand
 
It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.  ~Albert Einstein

Character is higher than intellect.  ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

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I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb... and I also know that I'm not blonde.  ~Dolly Parton







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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 1:43:12 PM   
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Love this quote from her too:

I'm not going to limit myself just because people won't accept the fact that I can do something else.

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 2:05:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		In all seriousness, I found myself asking the same question to myself about someone I randomly ran into.

I was waiting for a bus and middle-aged lady already there, sitting.  I asked her for the time and if she knew when it comes.  She gave me the time from her cellphone and told me she was on her way home sick from a housekeeping job at the Mariott.  She asked 'do you know what that is?' lol I chuckled "uh yeah".  How do you know them? she asks. lol I was just dumbfounded. "Well because I have stayed in them, not in town but elsewhere'.  'Oh' she replies as she stared around blankly. lol.  Just happens I had just left the Marriot after fixing their comp firewall systems. 

I paced from the schedule on a pole and back, several times while thinking 'what is going on in that head?? is this gal a little slow??

She was ringing her hands, calloused hands.  I said 'geez, don't they supply gloves for that cleaning because your hands look sore?', she said 'they give us gloves but I forget to put them on'. sigh.

Later, on the bus, I see her talking to another woman.  That woman thanked her for the many years she put into helping her dad when she had previously worked at a nursing home.

Not only is it not my business to know what was going on in her head but she had a lot going on in her heart. 

My hands aren't calloused or red.  I don't clean other people's filth.  And of late I have certainly been heartless in numerous situations.

Who is 'smarter'?

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 2:06:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to add, when individuals are considered, based more on their IQ than life skills, it only results in elitism. Example: MESA, I did have a chance to write their test. None of it had to do with life skills, all of it had to do with academia. So much for blue collared intelligence.
Another thing to consider while discussing points of intelligent quotient, is that such things are designed for the sole purpose of cataloging the masses of people into certain categories. Its basic demographic segregation by self absorbed academics that have nothing better to do than to determine who is less than them, equal to them and greater than them. They are also the same people that determine what is normal. By the way, our choice in lifestyle would be determined as perverted miscreants that would be considered a threat to society and have the potential to become psychopaths and sociopaths. Of course that would never happen, since there are academics that also engage in such behavior and would be included in the classification of not being normal.
There is also E.Q. if you want to concern your self with quotients.

I would welcome anyone to be able to build a house from the ground up without the use of an architects blueprint.

I figured it once years ago. How long with the present educational system at the level that it is now, would someone have to go to school to learn how to build houses? 14 years, 4 years in college for the practical, 6 years in university to get the theoretical as some courses require that you have a masters degree, finally the last 4 years as an apprentice.
Problem with engineers is that they tend to consult the book when it comes to problems because they have been conditioned to think the book is always correct. Not always the case, since most engineering texts are written by other engineers that have never held a hammer or circular saw in their whole career. Then walks in the individual that has 30 years experience, the person that taught him also had 30 years and before that another 30 years experience. So there is 90 years of combined working experience, practical knowledge, not theoretical. Tried and true methods on how things are done. Most have never taken hydrodynamics in school but they have working knowledge of how much pressure is behind a basement wall when it rains as the pressure becomes compounded until a small leak happens and a stream of water shoots out from the wall a good 12 feet before arching downwards. The engineer would want to analyze, consult manuals and check their gauges and then determine that the other side needs to excavated. Very expensive undertaking. Its simple actually, reverse pressure seal it. Use the water itself to help seal the hole. Simple fix for a simple problem. Another method hydraulic injection seal = more expensive, but you need to wait until the leak stops, drill hole into the concrete, affix the hydraulic injector to the wall and let it pump the hole full of sealant.

That's what is in my head. Do I care if I am average or not? Nope. Doesn't bother me in the least.

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 2:07:40 PM   
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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 2:44:01 PM   
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I think you might get further if you turned the problem on its head.  You're making an assumption that living in a human society is easy.  Well, Sigmund Freud got it right- I've paraphrased him for years.  All kids are smart.  Stupidity is a learned adult trait.  Living in a human society is anything but easy- no other animal can do it.  Our best intellect hasn't come close to an android that would pass for human to even the cleaning lady at the Marriott.  We live in a society that has so many rules, we're not able to itemize 1% of them- and yet most humans (assuming healthy) manage to live in this complex society and function quite well.

Personal example-I became friends with a guy in 1st grade.  I was always something of an oddball, and my buddy Joe wasn't the coolest kid either.  But we always got together a few times a year (until recently when he's lost touch.) and we'd go eat pizza together and hit a movie.  Joe was certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer in terms of his academic capacity.  He finished high school, but that was it and he was perfectly content working as a mail delivery guy in a big company.  The job suited his skill set- it was a good match.  I went the other way- graduate degree in the sciences.  So there's a pretty fair intellectual mismatch between us.  Did it matter?  Nope- we talked about what most guys talk about- girls, sex, jobs.  Questions like- what do lesbians actually do when making love?  Why is it that if a guy did what a lesbian did, the guy wouldn't say he'd gone all the way.  You know- guy talk.  He was also a bit kinky- he had to see a doctor after a date with a girl led the doc to think he'd been having homosexual intercourse and roughly. 

My comment is that all the intellectual stuff that we bat around on this board for example, is only a very limited subset of what most of us think about.  And humans have the same set of frailties suffering from depression, (my buddy Joe was also depressed.) worrying about being single, job security, etc.  Academic achievements mean little in these arenas.  Consider- if being smart was such a turn on for women- the guys I hung out with should have had to beat them off with a club.  Good looks counts for much more- contrary to what most of the profiles here say.

Aszhrae "Problem with engineers is that they tend to consult the book when it comes to problems because they have been conditioned to think the book is always correct. Not always the case, since most engineering texts are written by other engineers that have never held a hammer or circular saw in their whole career."

Boy- if you work as an airplane mechanic- remind me not to fly on any airplane you work on.  There have been a number of disasters based on the guys in the field thinking that they know better than the book.  I remember a crash involving a DC-10 where the books spec'd a specific order to loosen the three explosive bolts that hold the wing engine on the airplane.  It was harder to do, and the maintenance guys thought the guys writing the book didn't know what they were talking about.  Turns out that if you left the rear bolt on till last, the engine would drop slightly and torque the spar where the bolt attached.  During an engine fire when the explosive bolts needed to let go- that spar failed.  Mind you, even if everything had worked perfectly- it was still a very ugly situation- but which would you rather be in- an ugly situation where a hot shot pilot might save your ass, or one where the landing instruction go "Our father who art in heaven....."?

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 2:44:10 PM   
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what occupies their minds?


Sex and  ATF. (Alcohol, tobacco and firearms).

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 2:55:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Indeed Luci - it is lonely; thats why I come here so often.

I would venture to guess that you're not lonely because you're one of the only ones with lots of "information."  Perhaps it's because you're such a snob?  Some of that "information" you're operating on is very, very wrong, I'm afraid.  In addition to being lonely, you must also be very disappointed if coming to the internet is what you do to fight said loneliness and find other geniuses such as yourself.
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There is simply no doubt they have less information to make use of. Sorry, but thats a fact.

I'm afraid it is simply not a fact.  It is an opinion and one that you simply cannot back up or prove.  Just because the "information" "they" have doesn't fit into your idea of what is fit to talk about, doesn't mean "they" lack "information."  That's a ludicrous assertion frankly.
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What we do note is that those to whom we refer do seem generally more content in life, aside from often bizarre entanglements that could have come from any soap opera script.

Wow, that is one of the most bigoted statements I have ever heard.  Once again, I'm simply amazed at how some people can come here and demonstrate absolute bigotry and ignorance and there are those who will buy into it and discuss it as if it's legitimate.  You are saying that all of those unfortunate beings with less "information" than you and your pal are just mere simpletons who go along "content in life," ignorant of all that you find important????  You are saying that those self-same people live "soap opera" lives due to this lack of "information?????"
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what do they think about?

They think about some of the same things everyone else does, I'm sure.  Just because they don't run around debating and bragging about their head full of "information" doesn't mean they don't think about worthwhile things.  How dare you assume that. 
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 The problem here, is that the sort of people who frequent these boards are unlikely to be able to answer, not being members of that particular part of the population

Mmmmmmmm, I see our opinions once again differ.  I've seen several here who seem to lack "information" and that's not something I've assumed.  It's something they've opened their mouths (or typed) and proven................luci 

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 3:06:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, most people with above average IQ gravitate toward those with similar Intellect.

Those with lower intellects gravitate to those with lower IQ.
I had to undergo both tests, Weschsler and Stanford-binet, and was pleasantly surprised to see a score of 193 on the first, and a 197 on the other.

Then my therapist informed me that she was not surprised, bipolar disorder seems to be prevalent in people with high IQ's and who are very creative.....  I was then informed that the frequency of bipolar disorder in the US Population is .0067%

What fun news.....

Any way, the reason the average IQ people are out breeding us is because there are more of em.

I now think that all above average IQ Dom men should have 25 slave girls of equal intelligence or at the very least above average, and breed like rabbits....

I didnt say above average DOMME's because I doubt seriously you can find 25 males with above average IQ that will do what you tell em.  I am of the firm belief, the higher the IQ in males, the higher the tendency to be stubborn.


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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 3:09:56 PM   
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Then, two things happened to shake my arrogance:
1) I went to law school, and learned that my reasoning ability needed a lot of work.
2) I met people who taught me that there are people who seem intelligent because they seem to know so much and can converse about what they know, and there are people who put the little that they know to good use and make millions and millions of dollars.  One man described the super intelligent people with middle-class or less net financial wealth as, "(People with) big hats and no cattle."
 
 

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 3:17:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		One clue to what people think about might be what they talk about.

example 1 - the folks who spend a whole conversation talking about something that happened as if it were a script."and then he said ...and then i said... and then he said ... "

example 2 - the folks who seem to believe that the shows on TV are real life.  "Annette was ill so Roger took off with Julia.  Now Julia is PG.  I feel so sorry for Annette."

example 3 - the folks who are information gathering or dispensing.  "Who wrote the clarinet concerto that is played on the Victrola in the movie 'Out of Africa'.  I'd like to listen to the rest of it.  It has such a haunting sound to it."  "That would be Mozart's Clarinet Concerto in A. It was actually one of his last compositions before his death." 
OR
"my toddler keeps losing things for me around the house.  What are some of the places you usually found the things we lost when we were little."  "When you and your brother were little I had to check the waste baskets and laundry hampers quite regularly for toys, shoes, and my keys." 
OR
"I have substituted unsweetened applesauce for some of the oil in recipies to reduce the fat content.  Yesterday I saw something which said that pumpkin could also be used the same way.  Had you seen anything about that and do you know what proportions to use?"

example 4 - folks who discuss current events with a sense of history.  "When I was listening to the news coverage on the hotel terrorists in India it reminded me of the movie I saw several years ago that ended with drama of the division of India into current day Pakistan and India at the end of British colonialism - 'Passage to India'.  Have you noticed how often countries deal with troubling areas by dividing off part of the country into a separate nation?  It really doesn't seem to me to help solve anything.  What do you think?"  

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 3:23:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Actually, most people with above average IQ gravitate toward those with similar Intellect.
Unfortunately I do not have that option, me being a supergenius. I very much do understand LE when she says that she is lonely.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Those with lower intellects gravitate to those with lower IQ.

That usually is because high IQ people often are too dumb to interact with them.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Any way, the reason the average IQ people are out breeding us is because there are more of em.

Nope. It is because they are evolutionary superior to high IQ people. Duh!

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I now think that all above average IQ Dom men should have 25 slave girls of equal intelligence or at the very least above average, and breed like rabbits....

I am sure glad that I am an apathic supergenius. I never have to think. It must be awful to have to go to the effort to think; all that sweat to usually get at the wrong solution. As here.

LE, please post something. I am bored...

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 5:10:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

OK, this is going to come across as really stuck up, elitist snobbery, but then my friend and I who were discussing this fit that bill fairly well.

The two of us have some pretty good debates on all sorts of things and it occurred to us that we are able to do that because of all the stuff we have learned about the world. Both of us meanwhile find that any attempt to debate such subjects with many of our contemporaries falls flat - they simply dont have the background resource of knowledge and awareness to participate. This usually results in frustrated anger and sometimes threats of violence.

But then it occurred to us - if we have all this stuff inside our heads with which to reason and contemplate and make sense of things, and its stuff that's floating about all the while and occupying our minds, what is inside the heads of our less knowledgeable contemporaries and what occupies their minds?

My friend proposed, on the basis that so many people we come across seem to have no spark of intellect in their eyes, that their thought processes are far more basic, and their words and deeds far more directed by instinctual reactions than reasoning. I meanwhile took a slightly more kindly interpretation, that their minds were occupied just as much but with far less information, their intellectual ability being not so great.

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E


Your right.....your post not only does sound like stuck up, elitist snobbery it unfortunately is.


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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 6:34:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Any way, the reason the average IQ people are out breeding us is because there are more of em.

Nope. It is because they are evolutionary superior to high IQ people. Duh!



Now that's an interesting issue for discussion. Are they actually superior in an evolutionary sense, or has the modern world simply turned natural selection on its head? And of course, regardless of the answer, the long-term consequences are even more "interesting"...

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 6:48:49 PM   
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the averge IQ is around 90-100 points from what i've read over the years


I thought that the entire scale was based on 100 as the average. Probably the median, or 50th percentile, rather than the mean or mode.

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RE: what's in their heads? - 1/4/2009 6:50:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, 100 is defined as the average IQ, but there are different types of averages: means, medians, and modes.  Also, populations vary and do not all have an average of 100.

Of course, this gets into extremely controversial territory.

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