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UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 6:19:42 PM

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Is there some reason why pro- and tribute- dommes in the UK, especially, seem so often to masquerade as dominas looking for relationships? Or do such pro/tribute dommes actually imagine that a submale who's searching for a partner will 'change his mind' if a particular pro/tribute domme is somehow attractive enough?

If so, why would they think this? A submale is no more likely to give up the idea of a relationship in favour of going with a pro/tribute domme than a vanilla male is going to give up searching for a partner in favour of going with a prostitute, surely?

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 6:30:30 PM

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It's because they're fake, untrue and fat.

...

I'll have more patience again tomorrow. But for now, take me off the stove, because I am soooo done with this topic.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 6:57:13 PM

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At least now we all know why our fave Brit has not had time for the boards lately.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:13:18 PM

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:::sigh:::

Immigration should be easier.

That is all.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:15:12 PM

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*sigh* I agree, H...

*grumbles*

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:25:58 PM

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Yeah, okay, I've de-dickified myself a bit now, and I'll try again.

Look. There's a down economy all over the world, and people who have never considered doing things "like that" are starting to. Being a part-time webcam girl is a great example. More and more really are college students.

Suppose you're a vanilla woman (or man who can pretend to be female online), and you hear something like, "There's a whole world of kink where guys !PAY! to be treated like shit, ignored, and otherwise battered about. You never have to take your clothes off, much less open your legs." Or... they pay for the privilege of doing your chores and cleaning your house. Well, hot damn!!!!!!

Of course, every "real" dominant woman knows through bitter experience that it ain't that frikkin easy, even if you're not running a scam, because most fetishists are big on talk and ideation, but small on action and follow-through. But for naive "let's try out this domme thing" laides (and phony ladies) it seems a whole lot better than flipping burgers.

So the short answer to your question, PeonForHer, is twofold: (1) low-level scammers like that have no understanding of the rules of human interaction, so they set themselves up to fail again and again; but also (2) every once in a while there really is a guy desperate enough for attention that he will pay.

I doubt these "women" are actually based in the UK. For a scam with such a low percentage payout, you need awfully low overhead. There's a team in Zamboanga who all use the same apartment, for example... and it's well documented that entire Nigerian internet cafes exists because scammers are on them all the time. Ghana, incidentally, is getting more business, because it's "next door" to Nigeria, and scammers are now working in Nigeria, but have funds sent to Ghana, and they drive to pick them up. It's an attempt to avoid the tag "Nigeria," which has become sullied throughout the world.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:29:43 PM

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quote:

I've de-dickified myself a bit now

Sounds painful.... I told you to be more careful during knifeplay, RM....

*runs*

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:45:06 PM

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So the short answer to your question, PeonForHer, is twofold: (1) low-level scammers like that have no understanding of the rules of human interaction, so they set themselves up to fail again and again; but also (2) every once in a while there really is a guy desperate enough for attention that he will pay.

Thank you for providing two comments there that not only relate to my question but have helped me to understand something about the nature of the problem I was talking about, RM.

I did state the word UK in the thread title for the reason that I'm sure that the dommes I'm talking about are, in fact, based in the UK. Their understanding of idiom and much else makes that evident. I'm all too familiar with the ones who're based abroad and trying it on for immigration or other purposes. I'm not entirely stupid but even if I were, they'd still be easy to spot.

To exemplify: I recently contacted a woman who was definitely based near to where I live here in the West Country of the UK. She used certain colloquialisms that are only used by people living within the West Country of the UK. We seemed to get on well. Then, after a few exchanges she said something that hinted at what I was going to 'give her as a present'. I joked in reply. No further cmails from her.

I hope this makes the context clear to everyone.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:48:58 PM

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Just send presents to ME, Peon. Knitting needles are always nice! And Mr Kiplings products.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:49:11 PM

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It must be something in the air.....everyone stop breathing.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 7:59:07 PM

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At least now we all know why our fave Brit has not had time for the boards lately.

You know me better than that, Ms S.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 8:11:28 PM

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Well, at least you made me smile again, Lady Hib.

I'm beginning to think that it's not so much a question of what I send to anyone, but where I send myself. The BDSM culture in the UK is . . . odd. Or perhaps "pisspoor" is the better word.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 8:12:52 PM

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You're always welcome here!

We have a friendly scene, or so I am told. Of course, you can't go looking at those OTHER doms, or I will be all cranky. Just saying.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 8:42:28 PM

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Then, after a few exchanges she said something that hinted at what I was going to 'give her as a present'. I joked in reply. No further cmails from her.

Would you mind stating her age? And do you know how long she's been on sites like this? I dated an Asian domme in 2007, and part of the reason we only dated three times was her almost drunken fascination with how much power she had over the men who were IMing her from all over the world. (I mention the "Asian" because I think it matters. It increased the severity of the fetishization she was experiencing.) She told me at one point that there was a guy where if she told him to cut his arm off, he'd probably do it. So just as some people play WOW or Second Life and manipulate characters to get ego boost out of it, she was doing the same thing... with actual human beings.

Part of her issue was that she had been in the scene for a while, but had only been online for six months, and had no idea the worldwide interest she could generate from being a legit Korean dominant woman.

I bring this up, because the woman you were talking to might be feeling out how much she can actually get out of men. Given what you said, it might not be a scam at all. It might be inexperience on her part, valuing immediate material things over building toward a longer-term relationship.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/5/2009 11:52:31 PM

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Well, at least you made me smile again, Lady Hib. I'm beginning to think that it's not so much a question of what I send to anyone, but where I send myself. The BDSM culture in the UK is . . . odd. Or perhaps "pisspoor" is the better word.

Odd? Meh - kind of. But then, we are in the UK.
Piss poor? Not so much. Maybe it's just your area?

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/6/2009 12:42:42 AM

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You could just spend the money buying tickets to the US, and dine dominant women here.

I'll bring a newspaper for you to read out loud.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/6/2009 2:55:46 AM

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Hmmm I havent noticed the trend to be honest. It must be really hard to be a male sub on here.

I would have thought there are one or two silly little girls who act the way that you are saying, a specific type who is quite simply taking advantage, but that to me isnt really a Pro its just someone taking advantage. why? because there are people who will actually do as they ask of course.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/6/2009 5:01:44 AM

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Back off LadyH & RIMa'ma! If Peon gets here, he's mine! All Mine! Dueling Floggers at 20 paces???

Nah. I'll share. We can draw numbers to see who gets to go first.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/6/2009 7:49:30 AM

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What I have noticed is an increasing number of dominant women listing a UK city (e.g. Manchester), but selecting Canada as the country. I don't know whether they're pros (my guess is they are) because I don't both reading their full profiles.

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RE: UK Pro- and Tribute-dommes masquerading . . . - 1/6/2009 10:32:03 AM

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Well, at least you made me smile again, Lady Hib. I'm beginning to think that it's not so much a question of what I send to anyone, but where I send myself. The BDSM culture in the UK is . . . odd. Or perhaps "pisspoor" is the better word.

Peon, I see it too and know exactly what you're writing about here. I'm not too sure what lies behind it, but I have a feeling that it has something to do with the general atmosphere of apathy which seems widespread on our islands, which I picked up on three years ago on my return and which I still pick up on.

Self-interest plays a part. I have got nothing against pro-dommes, nothing at all and there are a number of very fine pro-dommes operating and who make it clear they are pro-dommes and the world still turns. But there are a number of women who aren't dommes, but vanilla women claiming to be dommes and who are 'on the make' - whether it be for money, extra-marital sexual gratification, or free labour (domestic cleaning, gardening, building and renovation work, webpage design, etc), or whatever they feel they can get out of the arrangement.

You find this everywhere, but it does seem to be far more apparent in the UK than in other places for some reason. Or maybe it is BDSM but for that part of society of people who are no longer able to comprehend anything which doesn't directly affect them or result in them obtaining money, sex, or something else for 'free' or for little or no effort.

You can see it as being part of the fringe elements of the BDSM community, or just assume that exploitation is an even bigger kink than most people will admit.

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