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Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/6/2009 9:08:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		"You'll find big, ugly, hairy strong men (in jail) who've got faces only a mother could love that will pay a lot of attention to you -- and your anatomy," said Magistrate Brian Maloney.
 
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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/6/2009 9:22:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose it's one way to put the fear of God into someone.  Of course, it's not like every young man in the world doesn't already know about homosexual predators in prison.  I don't know why we seem to condone and even celebrate the idea that a 19 year old sentenced for traffic offenses might get taught a lesson at the hands of a prison rapist. 

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/6/2009 11:06:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		      If that is to be the punishment, why waste all the extra money to fully incarcerate him?  Why not just sentence him to an afternoon in the shower of a maximum security prison?  Back in the 70's, much ado was made about the "scared straight" programs, maybe some of these reckless scofflaws could be raped straight?

    Not advocating mind you, but it might work.

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 12:26:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny things is....
Rape in prison is usually done as an act of aggression against that individual...
IE:
Say Jim has a beef with Carl (gang related, he didn't pay up from a bet, he took his seat at a certain table....whatever)
So, Jim rapes Carl.... to show dominance
If Carl does not back down, he gets shived or beaten....maybe even killed...
My point is...
If you were raped in prison, it is because you didn't mind your business.....
Not because you look weak or frail...
Yes, I know this because I have been in a few institutions for "correction"


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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 12:42:21 AM   
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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 2:23:05 AM   
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Funny things is....
Rape in prison is usually done as an act of aggression against that individual...
IE:
Say Jim has a beef with Carl (gang related, he didn't pay up from a bet, he took his seat at a certain table....whatever)
So, Jim rapes Carl.... to show dominance
If Carl does not back down, he gets shived or beaten....maybe even killed...
My point is...
If you were raped in prison, it is because you didn't mind your business.....
Not because you look weak or frail...
Yes, I know this because I have been in a few institutions for "correction"


I'll agree that rape doesn't happen in prison with the frequency that the media portrays.  My younger brother did some time, and he said the same thing.  However he did say that you got tested as soon as you came in.  People would try and take your stuff, try and manipulate you into doing things for them, or they'd make little comments.  If you didn't respond, you were a target for predators.  So the weak do get preyed on, and it's not always because you didn't mind your business.  Honestly, it's ridiculous to believe that's the ONLY reason rapes occur in prisons. 

My point about this judge's comments, is that we shouldn't tolerate or accept that as a norm in correctional facilities.  But we do, and I've read and heard similar comments from American judges.  We as a society accept that inmates are brutalized by other inmates.  In fact, we encourage it as a sort of poetic justice.  However it's kind of hard to convince someone to obey the law by accepting and ignoring even worse anti-social behavior, simply because it happens in prison. 

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 6:03:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally, a magistrate who admits that rape is alive and well in prisons - and sanctioned by the prison authorities  .

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 6:19:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Though I dont agree with sanctioning rape I do understand what the Judge was doing. The problem is that at least here prison isnt really seen as much of a detterant, telling the kid to sort his shit out or he would be seriously punished is understandable, third offense and all that. He obviously isnt going to change due to a slap on the wrist

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 6:23:59 AM   
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Finally, a magistrate who admits that rape is alive and well in prisons - and sanctioned by the prison authorities  .



         I'm in favor of executing such sexual predators, instead of simply caging them with a steady supply of new victims, but the "enlightened" insist, and get all shrill about it...

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 7:47:16 AM   
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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 8:21:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kittin, he said "enlightened." lol

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 8:42:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		kit, I dunno to whom you reponded. If you are against capital punishment in all caes, it is you who are wrong.

Don't get cancer, those cells have a right to live. Rapists cannot control a cetain urge, well neither can murderers, violent criminals and the like. Which is exactly my point. Rapists are not welcome in society. If you care to throw them on an island somewhere fine, but they are never ever to be released in society with our Mothers, sisters, Wives, daughters. They see them as prey and THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH KILLING A PREDATOR, when members of your species are the prey. What happens to bears and lions and such who eat the kids when they wander into someone's backyard ?

I am not promoting an eye for an eye, I am promoting a cleansing of society. You may try to equate this with some sort of Naziism or something, but that does not wash, because this opinion simply applies to animals that look human as well as animals.

Or, if you want to spend your money on it, we could have seperate rapist prisons where on a certain schedule each and every inmate is gang raped, I mean to the point of being debilitating.  Would that be better ?

I heard years ago about a rapist who blinded his victim so she could not identify him in court. I agree that an eye for an eye makes the world go blind, but then punishment has to fit the crime. This was deliberate. Imagine being the victim, and then imagine that since the rapist did not kill you, he eventually gets out with his debt paid to "society". Now you can't even see him coming.

We must make judgements, that is all there to it.

There are a few valid arguements against the death penalty, but the sanctity of human life is not among them. (if you consider a rapist human)

kit, sorry if this was wrongly directed at you, but I will say this, it is directed at anyone who would oppose the death penalty.

If they can't live in our society, then they should die in our society.

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 8:43:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		As it stands, there is only one option for violent inmates.  Supermax prisons, which are essentially extremely lengthy stays in solitary confinement.  A lot of problems surround supermax prisons.  It's extremely costly to operate them, and they are limited to how many inmates they can house.  Arguments have been made that extended stays in supermax prisons can turn prisoners psychotic, and make them more violent than they were before.  It's been attacked as cruel by human rights groups. 

So what do we do with them?  Sedation?  It doesn't always work, and it has to be constantly supervised and regulated.  Lobotomies?  It's not an exact science, and there are immense risks associated with the procedure.  Castration?  Doesn't stop rapists, and doesn't really cancel out antisocial behavior. 

My proposal, which would remove the need for a death penalty is a loss of citizenship and transportation to isolated penal colonies.  We'd only do this for extremely violent offenders that show no chance for redemption.  We also have more than one, and we categorize offenders as to which one they go to.  Sexual offenders go to one, murderers to another, etc.  We have remote uninhabited islands that would suit this purpose.  The colonies would operate with the labor of the inhabitants; they would be essentially relegated to subsistence farming and livestock raising.   We make escape impossible with anti-personal devices surrounding the colonies and with constant surveillance.  We airdrop a minimum of supplies into the colonies on a semi-annual basis.  Problem solved. 


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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 8:49:05 AM   
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Don't get cancer, those cells have a right to live. Rapists cannot control a cetain urge, well neither can murderers, violent criminals and the like. Which is exactly my point. Rapists are not welcome in society. If you care to throw them on an island somewhere fine, but they are never ever to be released in society with our Mothers, sisters, Wives, daughters. They see them as prey and THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH KILLING A PREDATOR, when members of your species are the prey. What happens to bears and lions and such who eat the kids when they wander into someone's backyard ?



Personal infomation alert.

I am a victim of violent rape and you know I would hate to think that the person who did it to me would be killed on my behalf. He deserved punishment yes, but murder no. I dont think we have the right to make that choice.

What he did to me will be with me all my life, if he had been sentenced to death he wont have to live with it. Also in the US the death sentence system means that they are actually still in prison for such a long time its almost redundant.

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 8:50:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's proven that prison doesn't work, and it's proven that the death penalty isn't a deterrent to violent crime. Let's start from this premise: a violent legal system will encourage a violent society. If that's the desired outcome, we're definitely on the right track here.

As for the original subject of this thread... it still amazes me that a judge should threaten a bloke with rape because of a few traffic offenses. I reckon that judge is a pervert of the highest order, and that he should be mandated to attend some kind of therapy .

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 9:13:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would agree about the judge, but that doesn't make the situation right.

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 6:23:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

You are wrong.


       Frankly, Kitten, I consider your rejection of my position an endorsement.     We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 6:25:17 PM   
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it's proven that the death penalty isn't a deterrent to violent crime.



            I don't care if it's a deterrent.  It's an ironclad insurance policy against repeat offenses.

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 6:35:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GimpinDenial

Funny things is....
Rape in prison is usually done as an act of aggression against that individual...
IE:
Say Jim has a beef with Carl (gang related, he didn't pay up from a bet, he took his seat at a certain table....whatever)
So, Jim rapes Carl.... to show dominance
If Carl does not back down, he gets shived or beaten....maybe even killed...
My point is...
If you were raped in prison, it is because you didn't mind your business.....
Not because you look weak or frail...
Yes, I know this because I have been in a few institutions for "correction"



Actually that is only one scenario and I assume you were not a maximum prison---childern rapists and killers get raped as a lesson, cops who go to jail get raped as a lesson, pedophiles pay a nice little price too.
 
 

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RE: Shame this guy didn't sentence OJ - 1/7/2009 6:40:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look at the recidivism rate. How many need to be raped ?

Colouredin, did your assailant blind you ? And did he get busted ? If he got busted he is quite likely to kill his next victim so that there are no witnesses.

I don't care about all the sociological bullshit, you excise the animals from human society, and you do it with or without remorse, your choice, but it is the choice of others not to live in danger from someone who should surely be exiled or executed.

I have stated before that I try to see all sides of issues, so now the challenge if any of you are up to it. There are two valid arguements against the death penalty for rape, murder etc. I will engage no other arguements because they are invalid. There are two valid ones, none other.

State them. That is the challenge. I'll tell you what they are later, and yes indeed rebut myself, but I will give others a bit of time to do so first.

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