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RE: Racial Biases and Burdens in BDSM ???!!! - 1/14/2009 7:07:25 AM

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Now, what I defend isn't RACIAL prejudice or discrimination, but more of a MERIT segregation because due to each coutnry's history and efforts as a people and as a nation or government, each country in the continent has gotten a given place on the scale, a level or grade, and just like there are Gold, Silver and Bronze medallists at the Olympics, and the rest are the losers who settle for the cold comfort and pathetic patronizing phrase of condescending pity "what matters is to participate, and give it your best regardless of the outcome or result" truth is my nation's merits, its people's merits, are different from city to city, region to region and all, but as a nation, we do have a common ground,a common denominator or standard that is above other nations and to deny us of such is like to deny us of our own worth based on what we can do and what we have done.

You're unbelievably delusional. I'm not here to promote or defend anyone based on where he/she is born, or how much melanin he/she possesses. You've been taught a lot of hype, and you haven't considered humanity beyond the superficial... Boring, limited, but what can I say? As you've already pointed out, it's about your culture, and you're unwilling to open your mind to a greater world, for the greater good. My feeling is that since you're trapped in that mindset, you will probably run into a lot of folks who think like you, and for the same reason you consider others beneath you, so to, you will be considered just a .... How unfortunate is it when the golden rule comes full circle, and you're done onto as you do onto others.

It's actually easier to be that way (a little paranoid, and a little defensive of one's ego); there is so much history supporting distrust among, and being separated from, other human beings, while emphasizing our differences; when in reality, we are so much alike, its almost uninteresting. M

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RE: Racial Biases and Burdens in BDSM ???!!! - 1/14/2009 5:15:38 PM

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Now, what I defend isn't RACIAL prejudice or discrimination, but more of a MERIT segregation because due to each coutnry's history and efforts as a people and as a nation or government, each country in the continent has gotten a given place on the scale, a level or grade, and just like there are Gold, Silver and Bronze medallists at the Olympics, and the rest are the losers who settle for the cold comfort and pathetic patronizing phrase of condescending pity "what matters is to participate, and give it your best regardless of the outcome or result" truth is my nation's merits, its people's merits, are different from city to city, region to region and all, but as a nation, we do have a common ground,a common denominator or standard that is above other nations and to deny us of such is like to deny us of our own worth based on what we can do and what we have done.
You're unbelievably delusional. I'm not here to promote or defend anyone based on where he/she is born, or how much melanin he/she possesses. You've been taught a lot of hype, and you haven't considered humanity beyond the superficial... Boring, limited, but what can I say? As you've already pointed out, it's about your culture, and you're unwilling to open your mind to a greater world, for the greater good. My feeling is that since you're trapped in that mindset, you will probably run into a lot of folks who think like you, and for the same reason you consider others beneath you, so to, you will be considered just a .... How unfortunate is it when the golden rule comes full circle, and you're done onto as you do onto others.

It's actually easier to be that way (a little paranoid, and a little defensive of one's ego); there is so much history supporting distrust among, and being separated from, other human beings, while emphasizing our differences; when in reality, we are so much alike, its almost uninteresting. M

Dear Mistress FullfigRIMAAM1, I guess you and I are capable of agreeing to disagreeing on it, but you still have my respect and I'd like to ask you to please consider some for me as well, because I haven't offended you. I won't change the way I am or think, just explain it, not even try to justify it as I do nothing wrong and yes, one day I might find an adversary or ally stronger, faster, tougher, smarter, better than me and I'll have to accept that I am nott he top wolf in the pack, but even that day the "golden rule" comes full circle on me, I'll shall be counted not amongst the mongrels, the sheeps or the vermin, but amongst the wolves, despite what you think or say Ma'am.

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RE: Racial Biases and Burdens in BDSM ???!!! - 1/14/2009 5:18:43 PM

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I'm sorry, but wasn't that experiment tried from 1933 to 1945 in Germany?

Not the same experiment. And we didn't experiment. We don't generalize evil as something tied to a gender, a race, a culture, nationality, religion or social status. We do try to seed out the weeds and allow the roses to bloom. I know that it might sound bad after BootSadist expressed his words and numbers, but truth is, what we do is the same your countries have been doing since the end of the 90's with genetical planning to breed out some undesirable genes, only we started otherwise.

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RE: Racial Biases and Burdens in BDSM ???!!! - 1/14/2009 5:31:02 PM

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So, you're saying that all people aren't demonstratively equal, I get it.
"All men are created equal..." (A rather important statement in American history) offers a nod toward inherent equality, what people do with that is upto them.
What I am unsure about is how your belief that some folks in your culture are better than others (You identifying as a part of the 'better' via your own elucidation) feeds or inhibits your earlier proclamations on the thread. I'm finding that your point(s) appear to be getting lost in a fair bit of posturing. Please explain.
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Allow me to explain. If you call a Colombian the same as a Guatemalan, Honduran or even Mexican, you are insulting him by a wrongful asociation that leads to what appears to be a judgement on his merits and worth. ¿ Why? Because while in Colombia, 91% of the country is literate, it doesn't happen the same with those other countries. We would feel called "dumb".

Also, even if you compare two apparently "equal" individuals in terms of intellectual profficiency and basic education at the same level, let's say, two senior year High School boys or girls of an average school, ont he same socioeconomical level and basis, even if taught the same subjects, topics, with the same teachers and books, there's kind of a "national identity" trait which history, ideosincracy and even a culturally-based tradition that would make our student fight harder out of the values taught since childhood, to try harder than the rest, and get a better goal, sort of a more trained and reinforced "competitivity" that makes him go the extra mile harder and for longer time.

And that would result in the same outcome as it has for years, which you can see in the USA and the world: Colombians are the Latin American coutnry, along with Argentina, which has a higher percentage of graduate students going overseas on more complex careers and with higher grades and qualifications, onto better schools, than other countries of LatinAmerica.

We have trained for this since the mid 80's, when the country completed its first cycle of depuration and progress and we are the result of it, and the geenraton coming behind us is even better. We became what the Japanese became after WW2 when adversity made them grow stronger, revise their culture and even turn things upside-down by force, on a self-sacrificing manner that allowed them to come back hard and expand on the 80's and par tof the 90's. Even China itself, after such errors as mao's "Giant Leap Forward" and other policies, now becomes a force to be reckoned in the 21st century, no longer perpetuating the myth that comunism cannot be a sustainable polytical and economical system (even if in my opinion is as flawed as capitalism) against other powers.

That is why I defend my nationality and what I consider the values that my nation took so many efforts to instill and activate in me and others to make me a higher-ranking, but not necessarily a better man than someone from another country down the pecking order here whose government and society didn't take such a risk and made such an effort and remains content with what he has.

My problem was that BDSM seems to be in the habit of generalizing. I meant it in the sense of judging all Latinos alike, just as some very offensive white persons from the USA consider that all Asians are the same culturally and all Arabics or Africans are the same, and not considering the same in a polite manner, but in a debasing manner which denigrates them and generalizes it.

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RE: Racial Biases and Burdens in BDSM ???!!! - 1/14/2009 5:32:59 PM

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Muchas gracias, pero ¿están locos todos los hombres latinoamericanos?

No. Pero creo que si esta es una opinion sincera, entonces no queda nada mas que decirle a usted sin que sea una locura esperar algun tipo de apoyo, respeto o amistad.

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RE: Racial Biases and Burdens in BDSM ???!!! - 1/14/2009 6:22:49 PM

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Allow me to explain. If you call a Colombian the same as a Guatemalan, Honduran or even Mexican, you are insulting him by a wrongful association that leads to what appears to be a judgement on his merits and worth. ¿ Why? Because while in Colombia, 91% of the country is literate, it doesn't happen the same with those other countries. We would feel called "dumb".

After reading through this entire thread and reading your posts and BootSadist's post and then reading this quoted paragraph has left me completely baffled as to the reasoning behind what would appear to me a simple misunderstanding if a person is Colombia, Guatemalan, or any other country which comprises South America. To me this would be analogous to someone from Alberta taking extreme offense to mistakenly be a citizen of Ontario, Alberta and Ontario are provinces of Canada yet both are still part of this country called Canada.
I don't know, maybe this concept is too beyond my western way of thinking and upbring. The point is, I have no idea on how the social structure is or why it is the way it is in another country, let alone another continent. Logically, each country has it's positive and negative points and my sense of logic and open mindedness leads me to ask for an explaination in a manner which makes sense to my way of thinking. So unless my sense of logic is totally screwed, this seems to be a good way to break through any racial biases between nations, people and even in the realm of BDSM.

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RE: Racial Biases and Burdens in BDSM ???!!! - 1/14/2009 6:43:33 PM

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As bear said, < < Logically, each country has it's positive and negative points and my sense of logic and open mindedness leads me to ask for an explaination in a manner which makes sense to my way of thinking. So unless my sense of logic is totally screwed, this seems to be a good way to break through any racial biases between nations, people and even in the realm of BDSM. > >

This is my fault, I am sorry. Dastan, thanks for being as good a sport as to let me talk to you over yahoo and let me apologize for what happened to you in my country, and let me tell you a man like you is a tough guy and by definition alone, you can surely consider yourself a better man than most people, that's a fact and I hope you realize that. And as for what you said, i know you could call me out and challenge and I'd be getting off that ring with my bones broken and that would be just the start of a long list, your people, Colombians are too good for me even with training, but I wish things would have been easier for you so as to not need such skills in this bad world that tries to harm you guys, I mean that from the bottom of my heart......

Listen, guys and gals, especially V.....don't take it the wrong way, I think it's best if we let things slide and forget this thread, anyone wants answers, I'll just reply to you on PMs so let's just put this thread to rest, ok gang? Trust me when you hear from me that you don't know why the coockie crumbles like this on this matter and with this good friend i hope that can keep cool with me....

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