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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/8/2009 12:40:16 PM   
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I agree with what others have offered, but it's also important to look into her and know her. Anybody can throw around a bunch of commands. A girl who sees and feels he really gets her will melt to the core, as he's looking at her, not just any available girl.

In other words, she should want to follow, not just any man, but this man.






This gave me the fuzzies, this is what I look for, sure there are many other qualities I like but it is the ability of a Dominant to look inside me that i find most heady. It is this type of person that can read a situation, knows when to push and when to hold back. This is the type of person that makes you feel special and in that you know you can allow yourself to do as he asks without fear of recrimination. Thats an amazing thing


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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/8/2009 2:35:40 PM   
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I hear about Dominant or Master skills. What are these? I'm not referring to how well one uses a flogger, but what are the skills you have learned/developed that arouse and inspire submission or surrender?

Listening is a skill.  Observation is a skill.  Learning to get inside someones head using what you have heard them say and observed about their behavior is a skill.  Seeing past their fears and getting to the core of their needs and then using the interplay between trust and fear to open them up to you and reveal themselves fully so that you can address those needs.. that is a skill. 

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/8/2009 3:06:56 PM   
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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/8/2009 5:47:56 PM   
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I don't think it's so much 'skills' as it is something innate within the person.


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Although I admit since entering the lifestyle seriously about four years ago, I'm surprised at how many "good" Dominant traits (e.g., assertiveness without aggression, increased self-confidence) have made themselves quite at home with my vanilla personality.
 
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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/8/2009 10:30:23 PM   
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I hear about Dominant or Master skills. What are these? I'm not referring to how well one uses a flogger, but what are the skills you have learned/developed that arouse and inspire submission or surrender?


There is surprisingly little discussion or published regarding your question.  Below is a brief outline of some areas I would advise a dominant to work on.  I've separated them into three groups, personal skills, interpersonal skills and knowledge bases.

Personal skills - these are skills of self development and self management.  I list them first because in my opinion this should be the first area a dominant focuses on.
  • Self discipline - if you can't make yourself do what is necessary, especially when you don't really want to, then you are going to fail.  This is true whether its pushing yourself to develop and grow in new ways, making tough decisions, or letting go when you'd really rather not.  Developing self discipline means making a habit of pushing yourself, taking control of your behavior, and managing yourself better.
  • Self confidence - necessary both to being able to extend yourself in new directions, but also in attracting submissives.  Without exception, every submissive I have ever known has listed confidence as an attractive quality in a dominant.  Developing confidence requires challenging yourself, the more you engage in activities outside your comfort zone, the more confident you will be come.  This happens more quickly with successes, but even failing can still boost confidence simply by learning that failure isn't the end of the world.  One of the most common barriers to confident behavior is the fear of rejection or of being seen as foolish, learning to overcome that alone can boost confidence a great deal.
  • Self awareness - learn to be aware of yourself, in totality.  By that I mean, learn to honestly see yourself as you are, every aspect of yourself.  Learn to accept your weaknesses and flaws along with your strengths and treat them both the same.  Use the knowledge to better direct your own self improvement and growth.  I find that keeping a journal can be helpful in this area, read back over your entries periodically... you'll be surprised at the objectivity if affords you about yourself.
  • Identity - simply put, who are you?  Who do you wish to be?  You cannot effectively become who you wish to be if you don't clearly know who and what that is.  Beyond that you will also find having a consistent identity important to attracting submissives.  This is true because of a rule of human interactions, when we are deciding whether to trust someone, we watch to see if who they present themselves to be matches their actions, their circumstance, etc.  This is called congruence testing, the more consistent your identity is with your behavior and circumstance, the more trustworthy you appear to be to others.  The best way to achieve this is by actually being who you claim to be, and that means you have to work towards being who you want to be... actually becoming that identiy you wish to create.

Interpersonal skills - these skills focus on your ability to relate to others, how well you master these skills directly influences how successful you will be in your relationships with others... and there for how well you can influence others.
  • Observation - just as self awareness is an important personal skill, observation... the awareness of others, is the cornerstone of interpersonal skills.  Every other skill I'm about to list among interpersonal skills is best built on a foundation of good observation skills.  Learn to observe others and discern as much about them as you are able.  Start with the obvious, watch what people do and say, watch whether that correlates or not (do your own congruence testing).  Learn to observe body language and emotional states.  In other words learn to "read" people.  You may find any of several books on body language helpful.  Make this a habit, practice it consciously every day... if you go out to eat, make mental notes about the people around you.
  • Communication - communication is two fold.  The first half is listening... learn to hear what someone is telling you.  Observation helps with this because we say quite a lot through non-verbal ques.  Learn to hear not just what someone says, but what they don't say.  Again, practice this daily to build your skill.  When speaking, practice saying what you mean clearly.  Pay attention to not just what you say, but how you say it.  You'll find that everything from modulating your voice to control the pitch and volume, to your body language while you speak, to the pace at which you speak can have as much impact as the words you choose.  Again, there are books on developing effective communication skills, pick at least one and put it to use.
  • Leadership - this is a catchall skill group for a subset of skills that all ultimately deal with inspiring and motivating others.  You can be dominant, you can be self disciplined, you can have the desire to impose your will... but if you don't know how to effectively influence and motivate others, you aren't going to get very far.   Learning to inspire a submissive to want to serve you, to actively desire it, is an art unto itself.  Those who master it get what they want, how they want, when they want... in addtion to a big silly smile; while those who fail to do so spend a lot of time frustrated and often resort to trying to force service and may well end up charged with some form of domestic violence.
  • Methodology - Having the skills to do something is made more effective by having a plan for how to put those skills to use.  This is where methodology comes in to play.  There are many ways of approaching a D/s or M/s relationship, and many dominants employ a variety of methods to achieve their goals.  Having put some thought beforehand into what your own methodology will be, what your goals are, how you plan to achieve those goals, etc. can help things run more smoothly.  Think of it as being similar to building a house.  First there's the architect who designs the house, what kind of house will it be, what special features will it include, etc.  Giving some thought to the kind of relationship you want and specific details that are important to you will help you set up your long term goals.  After that you become the contractor who must put it all together and turn those plans into a reality.

Knowledge bases - This last group aren't skills so much as areas of knowledge which can be useful to develop.
  • Behavioral Psychology - this is one I'm a big fan of because it deal directly with modifying and shaping behavior.  That in turn has obvious applications in training a submissive's behavior according to the desires of the dominant.  It can also be useful in dealing with problem behaviors, and even useful to the dominant in correcting their own bad habits.
  • Fetish Play - this covers the whole gamut of fetishes and forms of play that are often a part of this lifestyle.  Its useful to have a working knowledge of forms of bondage, rope work, spanking, flogging, etc.  There are numerous ways to expand your knowledge, from seminars and demonstrations, to self teaching methods that can be found in books and online.  Start with the basics and work your way out from there.
  • Relationship Dynamics - understanding various concepts about relationships, how they work, what helps and what hurts relationships is useful to any dominant seeking long term relationships.  Lifestyle relationships, whether D/s or M/s or any other variety, are still relationships and face many of the same issues as "vanillas", so a working knowledge of how to deal with obstacles and problems commonly faced in relationships will always be useful.

Consider the above a brief introduction to "how to be a better dominant".  Its far from exhaustive or complete, for that I'd have to write a book and I do see anyone lining up to pay me a rather large fee to do so.  However, what I've presented could be consider good starting points.  What anyone makes of those building blocks is up to them.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/8/2009 11:43:53 PM   
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  • Consistency.
  • Empowerment and able to encourage, and in many ways, expect this of them.
  • Willingness to follow the same tenets of the relationship, such as self improvement, that you dictate for them.
  • Good communication skills.
  • High emotional IQ.
  • Spiritual awareness.
  • Ability to set goals and follow through.
  • Patience.
  • Compassion.
Of course, you'll note that the vast majority of these also applies as qualities of a slave.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/9/2009 7:49:54 PM   
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As always, Padraig has said what I wanted to say far better than I could.

All I can add is some of the things I have done to try and develop some of the skills he has mentioned.

- Sought and found exceptional leaders at my work place to use as role models. Leaders need other leaders to help them develop.

-Attended one or two communication seminars and did my own research on what exactly "good communication" is.

-Read a few of John Maxwell's exceptional books on leadership.

-Read a number of popular psych books out there on body language, influence, and manipulation which all provide a good logical knowledge of understanding and dealing with people.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/14/2009 8:31:11 AM   
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Some lead by fear.  Some don't have to. 

The later is what this comment should be about. 

During my time in the USMC, we learned to lead, to lead 24/7.  We were not followers or mindless robots awaiting orders, but leaders in waiting. In the absence of leadership (not necessarily the absence of a person called a leader), we fill that void with our leadership.  I found when I left the Marines and entered the civilian world of business, there were very few leaders.  I was way to Alpha to exist the rest of my life in a leadership void situation.  As such, I started my own company.  Many former Marines follow this same path for similar reasons. 

I take charge of the situation, whatever that situation may be... from my business to my personal life to stopping to lend aid at a traffic accident. 

I don't turn women into submissive women.  Women that need to be submissive tend be attracted to me.  Often these women are "Tops" in their normal day-to-day lives (business, home,etc.) but they seek someone they can lean on and someone they can let to around... some say feel safe around. 

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/14/2009 10:08:05 AM   
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Thank you, Padriag, for sharing your insights.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/14/2009 6:32:30 PM   
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SEVEN PERSONAL QUALITIES FOUND IN A GOOD DOM


1. A good Dom has an exemplary character. It is of utmost importance that a Dom is trustworthy. A Dom needs to be trusted and be known to live their life with honestly and integrity. A good Dom “walks the talk” and in doing so earns the right to have responsibility for others. True authority is born from respect for the good character and trustworthiness of the person who leads.

2. A good Dom is enthusiastic about life and also about their role as Dom. People will respond more openly to a person of passion and dedication. Doms need to be able to be a source of inspiration, and be a motivator towards the required action or cause.

3. A good Dom is confident. In order to lead and set direction a Dom needs to appear confident as a person and in the Dom role. Such a person inspires confidence in others and draws out the trust and best efforts of the others. A Dom who conveys confidence inspires the best effort from others.

4. A Dom also needs to function in an orderly and purposeful manner in situations of uncertainty. You should be able to look to the Dom during times of uncertainty and unfamiliarity and find reassurance and security.

5. Good Doms are tolerant of ambiguity and remain calm, composed and steadfast to the main purpose. Storms, emotions, and crises come and go and a good Dom takes these as part of the journey and keeps a cool head.

6. A good Dom is able to think analytically. Not only does a good Dom view a situation as a whole, but is able to break it down into sub parts for closer inspection.

7. A good Dom is committed to excellence. The good Dom not only maintains high standards, but also is proactive in raising the bar in order to achieve excellence in all areas.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/14/2009 6:48:26 PM   
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I hear about Dominant or Master skills. What are these?


They are the skills necessary to Dominant and/or Master one's submissive/slave.   The specific skills necessary will vary depending on the people involved.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/14/2009 8:57:50 PM   
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Confidence, humility, knowledge, natural leadership skills.

He is confident about the stuff he knows and can do, humble enough not to think he knows it all, has a huge knowledge base and will learn about stuff he doesn't know well before making a decision in that area. And he naturally tends to take the lead with me: such as "we're going here first and there afterwards".



Great answer, FIP!

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/16/2009 12:59:23 PM   
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This is a paste of an entry from my D/s blog dealing with this question.

It is often asked what makes a "D"? I have heard all kinds of answers, yet none fully define the "mindset" in my view. So lets explore yet another answer to this question. Most would start with Attitude - and I will agree it is an integral part.

But a "D" attitude alone doesnt make one a "master" - but it often makes one appear as an ass.....

Others have said training. This one - I have an issue with. I have never been "trained" by another, nor do I feel a need to. I can confidently say that any who truly know me, have no doubt of my "Role", be it in a Nilla sense or in D/s. I do have those I look to as friends and mentors, not in a D/s mode per se, but they have had some input in my own personal growth, as peers. If any "training" has been done - it has been that of life - which leads to......

Experience.... Yet another often held trait of a "D" - but I would say this leads to a "chicken vs egg" question - how can one gain experience as a "D" if they are not one already??? See the catch - 22?

While all are important parts of being a good "D" - one could have all of these qualities and still fail to be exceptional. Why? What's missing? In my view - a number of things. Leadership, Charisma, Self-Control. Fortitude. Wisdom. Finally, the Strength of Will to consider emotions, or put them away, as appropriate.

How can One guide, control, or whatever term you like, when they cannot Lead? Leadership is the ability to show the way - whether by decision, or via direction/action. Without that ability, any who think they are "D" are doomed to fail.

Charisma ties into Leadership - for it is what makes others WANT to follow. I have been told that I "radiate an aura" in the words of one young lady. While I understand her terms are a result of her "new age thinking" - its a way of describing that innate ability to - for lack of a better term - easily manipulate others into your way of thinking/doing.

Self control - how many times have I preached this one?! Simply stated - One cannot control another if they cannot control themselves first. I won't rehash more than that - read previous blogs! LOL.

Fortitude is the willingness and capability of moving forward through what is necessary - even when unpleasant. There are times when decisions or actions must be taken even though all concerned would want otherwise. To see something through when required - is essential.

Wisdom - One must not just be smart - one must be WISE. Understanding why or how things are, and how to redirect them as needed takes more than just the knowledge of the intended goal. Wisdom is the ability to know not only that the road to a goal may be filled with potholes, but an understanding of WHY they are their and the best way to avoid them. Wisdom is the key to learning about those One works with, and only by doing that can you help them grow.

Strength of Will - this is the one that ties it all together. There are times where a decision or act must be made. Emotions are often in conflict with what needs to be done. I was recently asked "Do you truly love anyone?" - and I can honestly answer that every Pet that I accept, that kneels before me, I do care for. Yet I can put away that "caring" for their own growth. I can cause pain, I can cause fear - and do so intentionally. I can tear a Pet down utterly. To truly be effective - one must be able to exclude emotions as needed. But there are times when those same emotions are needed, like when building back up a Pet, or during decompression. It is also needed on dealing with more mundane things - such as solving conflict. Willpower is the ability to use, or set aside, emotion as necessary. Only by doing that - can One hope to truly push any Pet toward healthy growth.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/19/2009 8:17:34 AM   
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Experience!

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/19/2009 12:13:30 PM   
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I hear about Dominant or Master skills. What are these? I'm not referring to how well one uses a flogger, but what are the skills you have learned/developed that arouse and inspire submission or surrender?


I tend to feel it's not so much "skill" as it is character made from authentic passion and accumulated wisdom. We can practice the art of seduction and leadership at great lengths, but without impetus from within oneself to lead and possess and the prudence to best channel it, dominance rings as somewhat hollow or unfinished.

I would say confidence, imagination, inner-peace, and human experience helps a great deal. Keeping healthy and attractive doesn't hurt, either. None of these things are really skills at all, but qualities.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/19/2009 12:33:47 PM   
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I'm not referring to how well one uses a flogger, but what are the skills you have learned/developed that arouse and inspire submission or surrender?


The SKILLS are those you learn with the tools you have handy. A Skill will be how well I handle a flogger.
I cannot learn authority, I cannot learn respect or leadership. Those are not necessarily skills. Those are traits. They can definately be developed to inspire submission, but they are not skills per say.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/19/2009 12:49:36 PM   
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Well now let's dig a little deeper shall we.  Let's start by defining our terms.  If by Dom skills you mean leadership skills that's one thing.  However, if by Dom skills you mean being a classic dictator that's something entirely different.  I suppose a truely skilled dom will ultimately be a combination of the two.

What defines a skilled leader?  Someone with the ability to get people to want to do what they think they don't want to do for their own good. 

I hope this helps.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/20/2009 11:44:18 AM   
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What defines a skilled leader? Someone with the ability to get people to want to do what they think they don't want to do for their own good.


Or it could be someone who allows others to do what they really want to do (but haven't quite managed to on their own).

As far as the "leadership skills" part of our program is concerned; those are all perfectly good and valid.
But all that is really necessary is one party who wishes to control and another party who wishes to submit.

It's simple as cartoons and cereal.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/20/2009 5:09:19 PM   
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I hear about Dominant or Master skills. What are these? I'm not referring to how well one uses a flogger, but what are the skills you have learned/developed that arouse and inspire submission or surrender?


Knowing who I am and being centered.

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RE: Dominant/Master skills - 1/20/2009 6:21:16 PM   
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The most important "skill" (although I agree with others it's more a natural TRAIT) my Master has to be MY Master is- he is Master of himself. ALWAYS in control of himself.

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