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YourhandMyAss -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/10/2009 6:57:03 PM)

agirl, in my case he doesn't like the smell of my pussy even if I HAVE just washed, and he's said he will never be willing to eat me out, even if I HAVE just bathed, and I am healthy and I have no yeast infections or any female problems that would cause him not to like my smell.


So he's in the past  made me rather self conscious about my smell because he's asked over and over are you sure you don't have a yeast infection, shouldn't you go to the doctor? And has literally gaged when he's gotten between my legs because he thinks my pussy stinks. He says it's extremely musty and to strong in smell.

I've kind of learned to shrug it off, and not have a problem because I am healthy there's nothing wrong with my pu ssy, and I go to the gyno regularly at any signs of problems and I am always given the all clear.


and if he doesn't like it he's free not to get between my legs. Just like I am free to refuse to get between his legs when he stinks because he isn't washing or has been all day in pants and is covered in ball sweat.


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ORIGINAL: agirl


Any worries I had about it have been firmly knocked on the head with the knowledge that if I stink, he'll tell me to wash.

agirl




YourhandMyAss -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/10/2009 7:00:28 PM)

My gyno has told me firmly never to douch, even the plain soap and water douches, The vagina is in most cases   self cleaning from the inside out.

To douch can give you yeast infections and all kinds of other icky and nasty problems, since you're disrupting the flora and fauna and ph that is naturally to the vagina. 
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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

If I were to offer the same information that any Gynocologist would offer when it comes to odors is that most women due to it being their OWN bodies are more tuned into the scent that others, meaning it actually smells different to you than to others not completely different but where women often find Pungent others would not be so affected by it.

I will say this much, Doucheing is fine as long as it is simple soap and water when you get into the scents you are actually making things worse as the body tries to break down the foreign perfume which makes the vaginal secretions more pungent.

A Wash Cloth and warm water and if you like a very mild soap, like a light pass with a Dove Bar, once to twice a day are all that is needed to maintain a NATURAL smell. Although most scents are different they are universally similar to one another. Meaning since they are all made up of the same body secretions then it is all based on what goes in the body. I have found two universal truths (Well Universal for ME anyway) If a Woman is a Vegan or Vegitarian then often times thier sent is very pungent no matter how much the wash or nearly non existent and leaves no flavor either and I have been with quite a few of them and all I can say is that it is either one or the other I have never found one inbetween except for the Vegitarian who ate Chicken.... EVERYDAY .... and still called herself a Vegitarian. The Other Truth is that most women who have a awful smell are either getting sick, or are currently sick, or have just gotten over being sick I have fouund this to be a common situation with any woman whom I have found overpowering to my olfactory system.

However women should rejoice. If you wah daily the scent that you have is usually a nural trigger to most men exciting them upon receiving the information to the brain. You may notice that your partner seems more sexually agressive when you are on your period even if you don't have sex while on your period you may notice he is more agressive during that period, this is because the flushing of your system puts out complex strings of pheremones also known as Super Pheremones and they affect the Male in Strange ways.

People who have been in relationships for long periods of time may not notice it as the male becomes accustomed to them within a few months of being around them but none the less in the beginning stages of a sexual relationship you may notice that your Man is more agressive during the first few days of your period or possible even a day before you start, his brain knows before you do.

As for Stinky Pussy Syndrome. I think MOST women suffer from it. I have been asked by more women what I think of the smell of thier pussy than I have what I think about them Naked, it woud seem that particular level of intamacy worries some women if only because they can smell something in thier vaginal area that many other people can't.

It's ALL a Pheremone game.

If you are conserned about the smell, Also know that there is an Infection that can cause a very bad odor from the Vaginal Secretions, If you really think it is that bad GO SEE YOUR GYNOCOLOGIST AND TELL THEM! The only way to know if there is something WRONG with you is to talk to the people who know. Usually it is a 10 to 15 day medication and after that two or three weeks later you will notice the bad smell going away. My Ex had this problem and it kept coming back so every 6 months or so she had to go back and get the medication again to get rid of it, MOST if not ALL Gynocologists are USED to feilding these kinds of issues so being embarassed is silly as it's thier JOB to answer these kinds of questions.

Hopefully I have offered enough info on this subject that you can decide for yourself where you fall.

All My Info came from talking to Andi's Gynocologist over the past three years because I love knowing things from a medical standpoint so I ask LOTS of questions after the Exam is done (Which for some reason they never want me in the room for)

Steel



Chrissys2127 -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/10/2009 7:37:37 PM)

Some women are actually hyper-sensitive to their own scent, especially during our time of the month. What may smell very strongly to you could be very faint, in all actuality :) Here's a link to check out.

http://studenthealth.oregonstate.edu/answerspot/message.php?message=9331



RainydayNE -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/11/2009 4:18:47 AM)

cripes i can toooooottally understand the OP on this.

sometimes i think it's fantastic, but then i feel bad for thinking it's fantastic =p

oh the baggage humans carry, for any number of reasons.


as far as veggie chicks go, the only experience i have with that was my exboyfriend saying that he could tell i took care of myself. then i felt bad because he was noticing. =p
but yeah, most doctors will tell you not to douche, now. atleast in my experience. you can start causing irritation, or meddling around with your pH and then you have to use something to balance THAT back out. =p and even a slight slight slight pH change can result in yeast overgrowth, blah blah blah
not to mention, if you've got something that's starting down in the "lower" end of the vagina, you could inadvertently push it up into the cervix where it can cause more serious issues.

i just don't think douching is AT ALL necessary.



Aynne88 -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/11/2009 9:35:21 AM)

 

YHMA I really am not picking on you, but if you keep having this complaint and I have read it here from you more than once, as well as the diet that you have, you have admitted to not being huge fan of a healthy diet, maybe sporadically, but it does make a huge difference. Things like a lot of fruits, like melons and cantaloupe, and celery and salads, as well a fruit juices like pineapple and tons of water, anything to dilute your urine and limit the intake of red meat, limit not abstain, and that should help. I also don't care what your doctor says, I have been douching after my cycle every month for twenty years and I have never ever had a yeast infection of any kind or an odor issue. I don't use scented ones, just vinegar and water, and unscented tampons as well. Cotton crotched panties and nothing tight in the area, and just a non scented soap, two showers a day.   Oh and after intercourse I make sure to wash with just a mild soap and warm water. A poor diet can really make a difference in our womanly scents. Try this, and of course, he could be just a lazy lover and no way would I deal with that[:-]   Your comment as to his stinky issues too might make me make him follow some of the above things as well. Tell him two showers a day never killed a man yet.[8|]

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

agirl, in my case he doesn't like the smell of my pussy even if I HAVE just washed, and he's said he will never be willing to eat me out, even if I HAVE just bathed, and I am healthy and I have no yeast infections or any female problems that would cause him not to like my smell.


So he's in the past  made me rather self conscious about my smell because he's asked over and over are you sure you don't have a yeast infection, shouldn't you go to the doctor? And has literally gaged when he's gotten between my legs because he thinks my pussy stinks. He says it's extremely musty and to strong in smell.

I've kind of learned to shrug it off, and not have a problem because I am healthy there's nothing wrong with my pu ssy, and I go to the gyno regularly at any signs of problems and I am always given the all clear.


and if he doesn't like it he's free not to get between my legs. Just like I am free to refuse to get between his legs when he stinks because he isn't washing or has been all day in pants and is covered in ball sweat.


quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl


Any worries I had about it have been firmly knocked on the head with the knowledge that if I stink, he'll tell me to wash.

agirl





YourhandMyAss -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/11/2009 11:44:23 AM)

Aynne, I don't think suggestions like yours are picking on me. It's quite possible that since I'm not a healthy eater, that the mustyness he complains about is from an unhealthy diet. What would diluting the strength of urin have to do with the smell of your vagina? I mean obviously when you pee yeah, but I'm talking about like sexual arousal, and right after you had a bath, and there is no traces of pee around.


I never wear anything but cotton crotched panties, I've known that since I was about15, And not only do I like them because they breath well, I also find much cuter styles of cotton panties at the clothing store I buy at. They're also not do delicate as lacy ones or silky ones.[:D] I wear dresses and skirts all the time so no tight clothing for me hehe.


I don't get my period any more due to being on the depopervera birth control shot, been on it for about 5 years. Now I know it's not recommended to be on it for more than a year cause of calcuim loss, but I really like not bleeding every month.   I am however thinking about discontinueing it though because we go 7 or 8 months with out sex on a regular basis, since his drive has all but disapered with his stress and depression. He's supposed to be on medications for it but he doesn't have health insurance and he refuses to go on public aid.

We all use Dove Soap, even on the genitals, My doctor ok'd it as long as I wasn't being to agressive with the soap. There are cleaners that are non soaps like cetaphil, I've used it in the past.


I don't really feel safe asking the question, because there are people who';d rip you to shreds and make fun of you for asking, but What if he took a bath scrubbed really well and his crotch still smells slightly  like stale crotch, a bit pissy,  with a hint of sweat? Did he just not wash well enough? Or maybe there's a skin infection brewing perhaps?

And could his unhealthy love of soda's* up to 5 in one day everyday each week  almost daily* Be why I think when he orgasms the cum smells unpleasant?

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88



YHMA I really am not picking on you, but if you keep having this complaint and I have read it here from you more than once, as well as the diet that you have, you have admitted to not being huge fan of a healthy diet, maybe sporadically, but it does make a huge difference. Things like a lot of fruits, like melons and cantaloupe, and celery and salads, as well a fruit juices like pineapple and tons of water, anything to dilute your urine and limit the intake of red meat, limit not abstain, and that should help. I also don't care what your doctor says, I have been douching after my cycle every month for twenty years and I have never ever had a yeast infection of any kind or an odor issue. I don't use scented ones, just vinegar and water, and unscented tampons as well. Cotton crotched panties and nothing tight in the area, and just a non scented soap, two showers a day.   Oh and after intercourse I make sure to wash with just a mild soap and warm water. A poor diet can really make a difference in our womanly scents. Try this, and of course, he could be just a lazy lover and no way would I deal with that[:-]   Your comment as to his stinky issues too might make me make him follow some of the above things as well. Tell him two showers a day never killed a man yet.[8|]

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

agirl, in my case he doesn't like the smell of my pussy even if I HAVE just washed, and he's said he will never be willing to eat me out, even if I HAVE just bathed, and I am healthy and I have no yeast infections or any female problems that would cause him not to like my smell.


So he's in the past  made me rather self conscious about my smell because he's asked over and over are you sure you don't have a yeast infection, shouldn't you go to the doctor? And has literally gaged when he's gotten between my legs because he thinks my pussy stinks. He says it's extremely musty and to strong in smell.

I've kind of learned to shrug it off, and not have a problem because I am healthy there's nothing wrong with my pu ssy, and I go to the gyno regularly at any signs of problems and I am always given the all clear.


and if he doesn't like it he's free not to get between my legs. Just like I am free to refuse to get between his legs when he stinks because he isn't washing or has been all day in pants and is covered in ball sweat.


quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl


Any worries I had about it have been firmly knocked on the head with the knowledge that if I stink, he'll tell me to wash.

agirl






bamagirl4u -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/11/2009 12:35:50 PM)

YHMA...I don't mean to nose in your business, but I couldn't help but to reply when I read your posts.  I think that is terrible that you have been made to feel "stinky" when you keep regular checkups and such.  I do know that adding fruits to your diet is a great way to change your "scent".  I also think that you really should consider another method of birth control.  I have not heard great things about Depo anyways, but 7 years...*Wow*.  They have birth control pills now that you can take and not have to have a period as often, or do what I used to before the "experts" said it was okay...sometimes I skipped the pills that were blanks and started a new pack and didn't have a period.  I had to have a hysterectomy about 4 years ago but I remember the days well.  Best of luck to you...[:)]



Jeptha -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/11/2009 12:55:44 PM)

To the OP; there's some variety to taste and smell throughout the menstrual cycle, which is natural and good.
If you wash with the same attentiveness that you give to washing any other part of your body, then you should be ok.
I think that oral hygiene ( I don't mean oral sex - I mean keeping your mouth clean in general) is much harder to maintain, actually.
(lol - not to give you something else to worry about!)



YourhandMyAss -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/11/2009 12:59:29 PM)

bamagirl  , I specifically liked this one because there's no daily or weekly or monthly thing to remember, one shot and you're done for 3 months. Course you do have to remember to drive in for your shots.

But like I said I am considering others, or none at all since we're not sexually active.

Thank you for the kind thoughts.


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ORIGINAL: bamagirl4u

YHMA...I don't mean to nose in your business, but I couldn't help but to reply when I read your posts.  I think that is terrible that you have been made to feel "stinky" when you keep regular checkups and such.  I do know that adding fruits to your diet is a great way to change your "scent".  I also think that you really should consider another method of birth control.  I have not heard great things about Depo anyways, but 7 years...*Wow*.  They have birth control pills now that you can take and not have to have a period as often, or do what I used to before the "experts" said it was okay...sometimes I skipped the pills that were blanks and started a new pack and didn't have a period.  I had to have a hysterectomy about 4 years ago but I remember the days well.  Best of luck to you...[:)]



Freakgirl4 -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/12/2009 12:00:01 AM)

To the OP...I can understand your sensitiveness to the issue,I have experienced it myself.But If he has no problems with it...believe him.[:D]
To MHYA: Maybe it is simply an issue of biological incompatibility.We subconsciously react to pheromones that transmit someones genetic compatibility.
I have a friend I am not intimate with that simply put,even when very clean **smells funny** to me.I realize that this is because genetically we just are not compatible--something my nose realizes.
The fact that you both think the other smells funny...it could be just that simple.[&:]



BKSir -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/12/2009 12:19:03 AM)

YHMA, oh yeah...  the soda thing...  sodas, coffee, black teas, anything with a high amount of caffiene in them will drastically change the scent and flavour of semen.  And not for the better.  Unless you like bitter, stale, burned tasting/smelling things.  As will large amounts of red meat, salt, and all those other things that we all know are actually bad for us but tend to eat too much of anyway.

As far as a females scent, I can't say one way or the other, sorry, just not my gig...  But I could imagine that the effect would be somewhat similar.  Our bodies aren't all THAT different really.  A couple parts here and there, sure, but overall, the same chemistry is in effect.



RainydayNE -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/12/2009 3:23:09 AM)

don't forget alcohol and smoking
they can make for odd changes in tastes/smells of all sorts of stuff
you are what you ingest, however you happen to ingest it =p



FRSguy -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/12/2009 12:01:17 PM)

I am very sensitive to a woman’s scent and I really have no way of relaying just how important it is.  When a man is sensitive to it he becomes addicted to the smell of his girl and she smells distinct and unique to him.  In the day to day it may be really impossible for you to offend him scent wise even if your on your period unless he smells another man on you. Your scent can tell him things like what part of your cycle you are on … if you are sick and in some instances your emotional state. If you wash to much or try to control it to much you can really fuck up a good thing for you.  In short, you will never be able to understand this so don’t try because when you smell yourself you are not smelling anything of what he is smelling.  His perception is totally different from yours. It very much belongs to him.  If your guy is as sensitive to a woman’s scent as I am then all I can tell you is that this is a subject you just have to accept his word on and back away from completely and totally.  Follow his lead.  Be proud of what you have. It can be a very carnal and spiritual thing for a guy and he probably cant explain it to you in a way that you will be able to understand. Every time you try to understand it and question him on it you asking him to do something that he does not completely understand and is very poorly equipped to deal with your questions by nature.  So its something that you just don’t fuck with at all.  Its like if you had a dress that he really loved to see you in but you didn’t care for it.  Would you still wear it to impress him?  Of course! He may need your scent to properly bond with you at a very deep level…. You just don’t mess with people at that level or your risking your relationship by preventing him from bonding with you.



devotedinSD -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/12/2009 12:37:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bamagirl4u

YHMA...I don't mean to nose in your business, but I couldn't help but to reply when I read your posts.  I think that is terrible that you have been made to feel "stinky" when you keep regular checkups and such.  I do know that adding fruits to your diet is a great way to change your "scent".  I also think that you really should consider another method of birth control.  I have not heard great things about Depo anyways, but 7 years...*Wow*.  They have birth control pills now that you can take and not have to have a period as often, or do what I used to before the "experts" said it was okay...sometimes I skipped the pills that were blanks and started a new pack and didn't have a period.  I had to have a hysterectomy about 4 years ago but I remember the days well.  Best of luck to you...[:)]


I'd recommend a mirena iud, many women experience very light or even no periods at all after a while.



YourhandMyAss -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/12/2009 7:49:45 PM)

Yeah, I've heard you need to have had kids before getting an IUD, other wise gyno's won't put them in, but it is an option, It's been a while since I had to consider birthcontrol, so maybe I'll ask my gyno about the new ones out there:)
quote:

ORIGINAL: devotedinSD
[:)]


I'd recommend a mirena iud, many women experience very light or even no periods at all after a while.




loveandlight87 -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/13/2009 9:15:03 PM)

I too can relate to the OP.  I have had those issues as well.  Someone mentioned a sort of reprogramming of the scents with lots and lots of oral sex.  I think the main part of that reprogramming that helped me deal with this issue was him/her kissing me passionately after performing oral sex on me.  Then my scent blended with theirs.  Since I had a positive association with their scent, it helped to spread the positive so to speak.

By the way, the natural scent of a woman … ahhh!  I can’t describe how pleasurable it is to be wrapped in that scent.  It is very difficult for me to stop once down there.  And a big part of that is the scent. Mmmm delicious!

love



CalifChick -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/13/2009 9:17:22 PM)

Yes, that was the Oral Oracle.


Cali



DavanKael -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/13/2009 10:08:12 PM)

OP:  Scent is one of the most primal means of attraction and if your partner thinks that you smell good, then your pheromones have likely found a compatible partner.  I, like many other women, monitor my 'equipment' closely and am cognizant of aroma.  I'm pretty groovy with my scent (Though, at certain times, I like it more or less than others).  In relating with other partners, I have had occasion to experience the aroma of other females only secondhand and I perceived those odors to be more pungent than that to which I am accustomed and I ranged from not particularly liking them to choking back a gag.  Being far more male-oriented, I don't think that it's surprising or strange that I like the way men smell moreso than women: hormones again; we are animals afterall.  :>  I liked Cali's suggestion about more oral.  The more you receive it, the more likely you potentially are to become desensitized to the negative connotations you have along with the act/scent, especially if you have a supportive, positive partner. 
Steel: I was curious about the vegetarian/vegan assertion you made.  I'm a veggie and am going to be making some inquiries, lol!  If anyone has any other opinions, I would be curious.  It makes sense that not consuming meat or animal products would/could have an impact just like any other dietary consideration. 
Also, you spoke of douching.  That's actually not recommended for most women because it disrupts the normal flora of the vagina and makes infections more likely.  And, I think the infection you spoke of your ex- having is likely bacterial vaginosis, far more common than yeast infections. 
YHMA: I am mortified at what you stated your partner says to you.  I don't care if 'down there' smells like (Insert really offensive odor of your choice), there is a more loving, caring way to convey such things.  I don't know your partner but based on what you quoted him as saying, he has an abysmal lack of basic courtesy! 
Oh, and I suspect that one of the other poster's suggestions about drinking more water would be on the basis of being optimally hydrated which should affect all bodily secretions/excretions. 
  Davan



NecesitesMe -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/13/2009 11:42:49 PM)

All women have a "scent." 
Some women have a "Smell." 

Scent is good.  Smell is bad. 

I've been with many women and have only been with a few (handful) that have had a 'smell' or an odor that I found unpleasant.  

Oddly enough, the ones that should have been concerned about their "Smell" were not.  While the ones with a pleasant scent either were or probably were. 

I love going down on a girl. While fresh out of the shower is fine, I find that eating a girl who has no scent or a scent of soap du jour is... less than desirable.  Supposedly, the pheromone thing comes into play here. When you sweat, it releases these chemicals that have aphrodisiac effects.   I usually get hard pretty easily, but if I hover over a girls pussy and just slowly inhale her scent before I eat her, I'm rock hard in a fraction of a second. 

When I lived at the beach. My girl would go running on the beach. When she came home I would sometimes grab her and throw her down, ripping her clothes off and burying my face in her sex.  She hated it and would fight me (even better) because she felt "dirty" becuase of sweating... but her pussy NEVER smelled after a run on the beach.  In fact her pussy never had a better scent than after a good run on the beach.  I would think that if you drink the recommended water each day (like 6-8 glasses) and do some physical exercise to "sweat it out" it would help to purge you body of some of the toxins that may cause you to have a smell rather than a scent. 

Another thing to consider would be that Male and Females are designed genetically to find like phermones and body scent to be repulsive (assuming you are straight I guess).  In short, I don't think many if any guys would walk into a men's  locker room and say "smells good."  On the other hand, I did go into the girls locker room a few times back in my school days and I recall distinctly the "scent" from the girls and how it just seemed to sprinkly on my face and nose like confectionary  sugar.  Sweet and delecate. 

In summary, you probably do NOT smell.  You  should have a "Scent" and as a woman you probably find your scent to be offensive to you.  Due to your trauma early in life, you could easily associate your scent wtih "bad things."  They say scent has the strongest memory.  And finally, if you think it might be "heavy" as you say, dink lots of water and exercise to purge your body of impurities. 

Hope this helps. 



Vendaval -> RE: To Silence One Voice aka The Debate On Scent (1/14/2009 12:01:54 AM)

Broken Psyche,
 
Have you talked to your gyno and therapist about these issues?  That would be the first place to start.  A healthy body releases phermones and has its own scent that sexual partners usually find pleasing.  When someone has a poor diet, smokes or drinks heavily, does not drink enough water, takes certain medications or is ill the scent can be unpleasant.  If none of these apply then work on discovering your own sexuality and learning to love your body.
 
I did a quick search on women's issues and their bodies

http://www.books4selfhelp.com/womens-issues.htm


and can recommend this particular book, Our Bodies Ourselves for the New Century, by the Boston Women's Health Collective

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684842319/theguidetosel-20



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