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Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 9:29:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The January 2009 issue (Volume 64 Number 1) of the American Psychologist, the Journal of the American Psychological Association, has six articles that have revisited Stanley Milgram's most famous (or infamous) obedience experiment, known as "Experiment 5", where test subjects were instructed to administer electric shocks of increasing intensity to someone whenever they answered a question incorrectly (no shocks were actually administered).

I have only read the brief description of each article, but it seems that new, partial replications of his experiment shows that obedience is decreasing.


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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 9:35:43 AM   
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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 9:37:06 AM   
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I have only read the brief description of each article, but it seems that new, partial replications of his experiment shows that obedience is decreasing.



That's good news.

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 11:34:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting. I suppose that folks now don't have the blind respect for authority like they did in 1961 when he did his experiments, though I bet you could see cultural effects if the experiments were repeated in a place like North Korea where authority figures carry more weight.

I bet folks at a kink club could have fun with this -- they could have Bozo the clown  or a puppet give the orders and the sadists would gladly shock away. heh


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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 11:46:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Law & Order, SVU, had an episode last year about the Milgram experiment guest starring Robin Williams.  It is well written and very insightful, worth finding on DVD.

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 12:26:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, Vend, I remember seeing that episode originally, and in fact, just saw it again in the last month on late night reruns.


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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 3:09:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quite a bit of the change though, can be accounted for by the fact that the experimental setup has had to change thanks to ethical restrictions.  Additionally, there's a certain amount of realisation that when you walk into a psychological study, you're going to be "tricked".  The original experiments were much more pure in a lot of regards.  And the videos of them are hysterical.

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 5:19:22 PM   
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And the videos of them are hysterical.


Wicked! I'm off to YouTube  !

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 6:51:27 PM   
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Law & Order, SVU, had an episode last year about the Milgram experiment guest starring Robin Williams.


Oooh, which season was last year's? I have most, if not all, but the current season, I believe... And do you know which number, or the title? ^_^; Thank you *hijack over*

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The Milgram Experiments are so interesting to me... mostly 'cause I wouldn't even shock them after the first mistake.

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 8:44:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shit, I'd hve trouble keeping myself from shocking them once for a right answer and Twice for mistakes - just for the giggles of seeing them jump and wince in pain at the shock....
 
(and if they didn't, I'd be disappointed.)

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 8:51:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I was going to say, that could easily account for most, if not all, of the observed decrease in obedience.

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Quite a bit of the change though, can be accounted for by the fact that the experimental setup has had to change thanks to ethical restrictions.

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 10:30:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, I skimmed a bit more of the issue.  One person did a partial replication, and five others wrote articles about it.

One article talks about how increased exposure to violence has caused a desensitization, so there may have been a higher incidence of aggression in the replication that was disguised as obedience.  So some people (methinks hizgeorgiapeach would have been one) may have administered the shocks out of aggression rather than out of obedience to the authority figure overseeing it.

Therefore, actual obedience decreased even MORE than the raw data of the replication shows.

And an interesting sidenote... the psychologist I work for told me that Milgram's grad student that played the part of the authority figure became a lecturer at UC Davis, where he (the psychologist) went to school, and that he took some classes from the guy.  He talked about the experiments in class, and said that it was his job to tell the participants that it was not real, after it was all over.  Then he was supposed to hand them $5 for their participation.  One participant was ex-marine and punched the grad student in the face, and refused to take the money.


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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 10:46:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		That theory of aggression is an interesting one to ponder over.

Personally, I just have problems with authority, so I wouldn't do what they said if the other person got it wrong (or I'd 'shock' them for getting it right, just to urk the researcher).

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/15/2009 11:12:19 PM   
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aravain, unfortunately I do not recall the number or title of that SVU episode but you could find in on the NBC Website.


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He talked about the experiments in class, and said that it was his job to tell the participants that it was not real, after it was all over.  Then he was supposed to hand them $5 for their participation.  One participant was ex-marine and punched the grad student in the face, and refused to take the money.


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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/16/2009 10:55:16 AM   
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Quite a bit of the change though, can be accounted for by the fact that the experimental setup has had to change thanks to ethical restrictions. Additionally, there's a certain amount of realisation that when you walk into a psychological study, you're going to be "tricked". The original experiments were much more pure in a lot of regards. And the videos of them are hysterical.
Those are good points.
As for people being less trusting of authority, I'm not sure if that's true....

If you conducted similar experiments these days you couldn't administer "shocks". But you might be able to award jobs, money, health care, time off, educational opportunities, etc., based one whatever criteria, legitimate or otherwise, that an "authority" figure attempted to establish.

In fact, happens all the time!

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/16/2009 11:06:42 AM   
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Law & Order, SVU, had an episode last year about the Milgram experiment guest starring Robin Williams.


Oooh, which season was last year's? I have most, if not all, but the current season, I believe... And do you know which number, or the title? ^_^; Thank you *hijack over*

On topic:

The Milgram Experiments are so interesting to me... mostly 'cause I wouldn't even shock them after the first mistake.



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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/16/2009 3:03:30 PM   
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When did a woman ever obey a man anyway??


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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/16/2009 3:27:23 PM   
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I was thinking about this type of scenario and thinking about the differences in response with say a group of gutter punk youths vrs investment bankers.  What are the consequences to the persons who rebel against authority?  Is the risk worth making the ethical choice?  What if your whole career and livelihood was on the line and professional reputation and the financial security of your family? 

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/17/2009 2:52:10 PM   
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I think it was actually 10:10pm.  Those last ten minutes were hot...

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RE: Milgram's Obedience Studies - 1/17/2009 3:56:17 PM   
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The January 2009 issue (Volume 64 Number 1) of the American Psychologist, the Journal of the American Psychological Association, has six articles that have revisited Stanley Milgram's most famous (or infamous) obedience experiment, known as "Experiment 5", where test subjects were instructed to administer electric shocks of increasing intensity to someone whenever they answered a question incorrectly (no shocks were actually administered).

I have only read the brief description of each article, but it seems that new, partial replications of his experiment shows that obedience is decreasing.


Cali



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Did you see the actual films of the studies?  Fucking terrifying.  I really got a much better idea of how so many injustices were allowed to happen in years past.  I am glad that obedience is "decreasing", honestly I think that the existing obedience to the task would come out of sadism (the bad kind) rather than following directions.

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