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Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 6:00:46 AM   
DarkSteven


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Status: offline 		beth started a thread in the Ask a Submissive/Slave forum about her thoughts on seeing a D type submit to another. 

As a practicing Jew, I attend services in which all congregants bow to a Torah (Old Testament).

I have no issue submitting to G_d, and the subs I've discussed this with say they have no issues either.  Are there any here who would have an issue with their Dom submitting to a higher authority?


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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 6:07:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that would depend entirely on exactly what their god was telling them to submit to.
 
A big factor would also be if the dominant was attempting to have me submit under his/her god's guidelines.
 
Then again i am a pagan of the Druid variety and while we a big on balance and restoring/maintaining the natural order of things, we tend to "speak" to our gods/goddesses on our feet as one being to another.
 
Not to say we do not pay respects mind you, but not in the fashion most religions expect.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 6:11:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Are there any here who would have an issue with their Dom submitting to a higher authority?


no problems here - it shows that He's only human not a deity to worship and be placed on a pedestal.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 7:01:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd actually be more comfortable with my owner submitting to that authority than not. Those who do and have actual faith (walking the walk, not just talking the talk), seem to have a lot more stability in their lives than others. ....Er, they seem to be more stable in dealing with life. I'd be a bit more at ease knowing they had a base to their morals like that. (After all, what determines what is "right" and wrong"?)


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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 7:07:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		We are all "slaves/submissives" to someone:
 
Bosses, the government, exwives, children and the list goes on.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 7:08:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		We ALL submit to someone/s. Whether we like it or not. Pretty soon it's going to be the annual IRS submission.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 7:09:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Shalom Dark Steven
It does not matter to me what anyone bows and submits to as long as they do not come preaching to me. If a submissive would have problems with a Dom submitting to their choice of a G-d, to me it would mean they are not of religion, faith or Godhead/Goddess Head belief. That might be a difficulty for them to submit to another, if the Dom did not respect their belief choice.  Also this can be seen in different belief styles too, when the Dom flexes its' right on what another person can bow to or not.

In my case my belief and submission to Goddess always comes first, before any other person.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 7:10:33 AM   
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Hmmmmm, so you're circumcised.

At some point, we all submit to something.

I just don't care to see my Dominants wearing pink potty pants.

But that's just me.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 7:11:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

We ALL submit to someone/s. Whether we like it or not. Pretty soon it's going to be the annual IRS submission.


yeah and that one is usually, dry, abrupt, in the posterior and with no aftercare.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 7:15:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tinkerer

I'd actually be more comfortable with my owner submitting to that authority than not. Those who do and have actual faith (walking the walk, not just talking the talk), seem to have a lot more stability in their lives than others. ....Er, they seem to be more stable in dealing with life. I'd be a bit more at ease knowing they had a base to their morals like that. (After all, what determines what is "right" and wrong"?)



Uh... morals... uh here... how the fuck is that possible?
I must have signed up at the wrong site... lol

on a side note... Was this D type submitting to a god or to another person? I think that if I were not the D type, I would only be concerned in the natural pecking order of me below my D. But who they submit to must also be in a place of higher order and therefore also in my... chain of command? But then I come military history and understand such things. Not to mention, that, well I am the D type and don't fully understand the workings of an s type in these matters. A very excellent concept. I will be revisiting this to look at s type responses...

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 8:00:19 AM   
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quote:

(After all, what determines what is "right" and wrong"?)


Well, anyone who needs to believe in some sort of "god" in order to figure out the difference between right and wrong is someone who's so weakminded I'd never submit to them in the first place. If they don't have a clear enough mind and a strong enough set of values that they can make those decisions on their own, I wouldn't respect them or trust them enough to get involved with them.

To the OP, my answer is that I would have no problem at all submitting to someone who believes in and defers to a higher power. I believe deeply in a god myself. But at the same time, the more deeply religious someone is, the more likely it is that I wouldn't want any part of them in a relationship.

I abhor religion. No offense, because I know you're a terrific guy, but I've walked this earth for over a half a century, and I have yet to meet a single major religion I could stand to be in the same room with for more than ten minutes. Spiritual? Yes, that's a very attractive and appealing quality to me. Religious? No, that's a way of thinking that's so alien to me it would be very difficult to imagine any circumstance in which i could be happy living with it. Because as many good qualities as religion brings to the human experience, the bad qualities it brings in the other hand are repugnant to me. I won't have it in my life.


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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 8:18:09 AM   
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Are there any here who would have an issue with their Dom submitting to a higher authority?


if all of a sudden He decided to submit to a higher authority such as the pope, or an itinerent preacher passing through town, another Jim Jones, whomever, it would definitely take our relationship in a different direction than it is going now.  this slave can't imagine it, and can't imagine how it would turn out.
 
As it is, our relationship is this slave's spiritual guide, something that she believes the Great Architect of the Universe intended for her to be a part of...and not a part of any organized religion...so for Him to submit to another man/woman's religious dogma would mean this slave would have that "Master" to serve, as well.
 
for Him to acknowledge a Great Architecht to our universe in His own spiritual way, without having to buy into all the religious dogma set up by men and passed off to the masses as the will of God, OR ELSE...no sweat.

the "other" beth

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 8:57:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd have an issue with them believing in a higher power which required submission to start with.  But the specific act itself- no.  It's amazing how kinky people think of all sorts of ways to make ourselves miserable and confused.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 9:19:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ouch Mistress Cat...smiles.i will be brutally honest,i believe in a higher power but i will tell you what...i have a ton of questions for that person when the time comes...and i want some answers!!!!

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 11:20:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tinkerer
Those who do and have actual faith (walking the walk, not just talking the talk), seem to have a lot more stability in their lives than others. ....Er, they seem to be more stable in dealing with life. I'd be a bit more at ease knowing they had a base to their morals like that. (After all, what determines what is "right" and wrong"?)



Weird. My observations conclude exactly the opposite.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 11:23:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		It depends I suppose.

Having grown up in an idiot and pedo-filled church, I'd never get into a relationship with a biblethumper.

On the other hand I don't understand the logic to your question. You could also say the same about dominant types who work for someone else, pull over when the cop flips the siren on, or sigh, and give in to their elderly mothers demands to 'put on that sweater before you freeze to death' on Christmas morning.  Everyone submits to someone, including the OMG MANLY MAN types who say they'd shoot someone before submitting.


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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 1:28:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read that as 'Bowling to God'...time to get the eyes checked.
 
I would think that a man who acknowledges a higher authority would be a good thing. Unless, of course, that higher authority was speaking to him thru the azaleas and telling him to sell all his worldly goods and open a Kool-aid stand

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 1:41:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		That would not be an issue for me.

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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 2:08:52 PM   
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RE: Bowing to God - Your Take? - 1/16/2009 2:09:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt I could be with anyone religious long term so I doubt the issue of my partner bowing to any mystical being would come up.

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