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missturbation -> Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:40:13 AM)
Another thread mentions leaving a sub chained in a basement. Said sub has no will, rights and cannot make decisions. It has been assumed that the basement has no natural light only artificial and it is assumed that said sub will be fed and watered three times a day. This means that the sub will have human contact on a daily basis and that the Dom will be able to check how she is doing at this time. The Dom has the right to make a decision on whether or not she is ok and can be left or whether she needs to be removed from this situation at any time. It would also be assumed that both parties have consented to this. Apologies that i have not gone into any further detail but this is all the detail i have from the previous thread and did not wish to derail / hijack that thread any further with this discussion. What would your personal concerns with such a situation be? If both people had given consent for such a situation and fully looked at the risks involved etc would you deem them insane for going ahead? Would you call such a situation extreme? Would you even consider such a situation possible?

Lynnxz -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:43:16 AM)
Muscle atrophy, discovery by a third party, hygiene problems, etc etc. It's possible, it's been done, but I wouldn't do it as I see it like buying a dog... and then never playing with it. What's the point? I wouldn't submit to it because I believe I would have serious boredom issues, and personally, my needs would not be met. Edit I suppose 'extreme' would depend on the condition of the basement...?

missturbation -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:45:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Muscle atrophy, discovery by a third party, hygiene problems, etc etc. It's possible, it's been done, but I wouldn't do it as I see it like buying a dog... and then never playing with it. What's the point? I wouldn't submit to it because I believe I would have serious boredom issues, and personally, my needs would not be met. Edit I suppose 'extreme' would depend on the condition of the basement...? But would you think it insane that someone else might choose to do it?

Lynnxz -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:49:11 AM)
Meh, like I said, depends on the basement. Damp and moldy, unfinished walls etc? Probably not the best idea, but people survive worse around the world. I'd think that eventually the person would suffer from some social issues, if they do not already have them by wanting to be shut away from the world. Then again, I'm no expert.

rednicky -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:51:06 AM)
Extreme? Yes. Insane? Naaah. Insane would be if the sub was refused the basic necessities of life (like the food and water and sunshine).

MsFlutter -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:54:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz Muscle atrophy, discovery by a third party, hygiene problems, etc etc. .. basement flooding, critters,etc etc I would consider it extreme, not to mention boring (for the chained one) and inconvenient. I cant imagine, unless some really huge rule has been broken, depriving myself of the company of my submissive. He is there for my amusement - how really am I being amused (okay - unless I'm Cruella deVille) if he's chained away in another part of the house. I, too, would be held prisoner because its not like I could/would leave the house to engage in something fun/practical/necessary. Who would attend to MY needs if he's attached to the plumbing? but that's just me.... (Cat - time to tag in LOL)

Lynnxz -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:55:55 AM)
Ewww yes. My parents basement just flooded... GOD what a smelly, foul mess that made.

RedMagic1 -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 11:58:49 AM)
Yes, it's insane... because caring about nothing in life except sex and kink is insane. The universe is a lot bigger than your clit or your dick, and having someone lock you up in a basement is no better than finding an escape at the bottom of a bottle. Do you want to improve reality, or leave it?

LaTigresse -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:07:35 PM)
Being chained in my basement wouldn't be that horrible therefor, not that extreme. Too many potential variables to make any sort of blanket statement.

SassySarijane -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:10:06 PM)
I would have to figure in a lot of things before I could solidly answer, but it does go to the extreme and possibly insane depending on a lot of factors. What condition is the area in, how much room would the person have to move around, what about exercise, what foods and liquids would they be fed, how long a duration would this be for (because permanently is definitely not something I'd go for or think sane in most cases), what about healthcare and meds, what about hygiene, what about bathroom access, and the list goes on.....

lronitulstahp -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:20:03 PM)
quote: Too many potential variables to make any sort of blanket statement. What LaT said. Where i grew up, (Long Island suburbs) some people's basements were more posh than fairly expensive apartments in Manhattan. my friends and i played ping pong, had make out parties, roller skated and spent many happy times in our basements. Don't get me started on attic hijinks... Perhaps the idea that this sort of imprisonment is insanity has alot to do with visons of scary, wood paneled, dank basements, and people's own childhood fears. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ehiXwd-9bg i'm somewhat claustrophobic....give me some basement time over a cage, anyday!

LaTigresse -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:25:47 PM)
Exactly. My basement is alot more plush than a red cage everyone was getting so excited about on here recently.

FRSguy -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:30:21 PM)
I could see doing something like that on a short term basis like loosing your weekend or something if that is what you are into however any longer than that and I would think that the end product would be very messy and inhumane. An extream amount of damage could be done mentaly to a person placed for any length of time in that kind of situation as well as huge safty issues going on with the concept. Personaly I would rethink things.

LaTigresse -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:33:52 PM)
How unfortunate that the Master/slave couple, where she was almost always chained, isn't here to chime in.

lronitulstahp -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:35:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Exactly. My basement is alot more plush than a red cage everyone was getting so excited about on here recently. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m20.gif[/image]..MsLaT...is that an invite? [sm=car.gif] grabs suitcase, and rope...waves goodbye to Florida for a little while So long suckers!!!!! ~hawkeye slut

LaTigresse -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Exactly. My basement is alot more plush than a red cage everyone was getting so excited about on here recently. [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m20.gif[/image]..MsLaT...is that an invite? [sm=car.gif] grabs suitcase, and rope...waves goodbye to Florida for a little while So long suckers!!!!! ~hawkeye slut The welcome mat is always out for you!

agirl -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:50:38 PM)
Not a lot that I'd consider extreme at all. 3 square meals a day. My only concern would be heat .......... I'm not good with chill factor anything...lol Other than that .... both wannit , both goddit ......no biggie at all. agirl

NCNutCase -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:50:58 PM)
In the original conversation in the other thread where this conversation started (thanks for isolating our tangent in it's own thread)... I believe we saw the word "left" differently. You seem to have taken it as "left" until the Dom chooses otherwise... I saw it as "left"... period... I feel this is a critical difference that spawned the debate... As many people have already stated, there are many (many, many) additional details that must be considered to make a conclusion on this... What would your personal concerns with such a situation be? Beyond physical needs/concerns, I do not think it would be physcologically healthy for any person to be kept this way. I do not feel it would be appropriate to keep a dog this way either, and I would not agree to keep a human being in sub canine conditions. If both people had given consent for such a situation and fully looked at the risks involved etc would you deem them insane for going ahead? I feel it would be exceptinoally unhealthy for both parties involved (Dom & slave) to do this on a long term basis. Therefore, although consenting adults, I do not feel that the individuals involved that agreed to this are necessarily of healthy mind... again, unless many unmeantioned precautions were put in place including the authority for the Dom to tap out on the slaves behalf... and with both parties involved assuming this will happen in a timely fashion (which I feel makes this a scene, not a lifestyle). Would you call such a situation extreme? I think doing this for a weekend would be touching the extremes, although not at all unhealthy... doing so for longer than a few days would be pushing the envelope but two people who know themselves, as well as each other, very well could still do this in a healthy way, provided the Dom involved did have the authority and the common sense to tap out if/when necessary... To establish this as a lifestyle, is an extreme I would consider unhealthy... Would you even consider such a situation possible? Possible? Absolutely. People have been abducted and tortured in far worse ways than this. Healthy? Again, temporarily with many arrangements and precautions taken, sure. I've done similar things myself. Healthy as a lifestyle, nope, I simply feel that dehumanizing someone to this extreme as a way of life is simply unhealthy. I'm very open to sharing my ideas, thoughts and experineces on the lifestyle. Feel free to ask for additional input of me if desired, but I don't want to push my views... I also feel that the relationship between Dom & sub is a very critical point. If two people grow in trust and appreciation for one another to delve into this sort of thing, great. For someone to advertise on a website that they are looking for a Dom to do this to them, shows an unhealthy/unstable personality that needs help, not encagement...

MsMillgrove -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:51:09 PM)
One word: FIRE What if the house catches on fire, is someone going to be there at all times? Is there provision for the slave's release in case of fire? Aside from that issue, there are too many unknown variables as mentioned above to make an assessment. Short term with provisions for fire, I'd say not insane.

rubberpet -> RE: Insane situation? (1/16/2009 12:52:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Another thread mentions leaving a sub chained in a basement. Said sub has no will, rights and cannot make decisions. It has been assumed that the basement has no natural light only artificial and it is assumed that said sub will be fed and watered three times a day. This means that the sub will have human contact on a daily basis and that the Dom will be able to check how she is doing at this time. The Dom has the right to make a decision on whether or not she is ok and can be left or whether she needs to be removed from this situation at any time. It would also be assumed that both parties have consented to this. Apologies that i have not gone into any further detail but this is all the detail i have from the previous thread and did not wish to derail / hijack that thread any further with this discussion. What would your personal concerns with such a situation be? If both people had given consent for such a situation and fully looked at the risks involved etc would you deem them insane for going ahead? Would you call such a situation extreme? Would you even consider such a situation possible? My personal concerns would be the ones for direct safety to my life like if there was a fire in the house or the basement were to flood. Mistress and I play with extremes, but we are very cautious. If she breaks or kills her toy, she can no longer play with it. Besides, she says I'm much more fun to torture when I'm alive and screaming...lol! So any long term restraint would be monitored closely. Plus, basic bodily functions and necessities like peeing, pooping, bathing, eating, brushing my teeth, sleeping, and other forms of personal hygeine have to be accomodated. Basically, I would not deem anyone insane for wanting this level of D/s as long as everyone knew the risks. If it is an informed decision, I don't think anyone should judge it. I do think it is more extreme than most people's preference, but to each their own. I know I would love to do it with Mistress because while I trust her to keep me safe, I know she would push things to the edge without putting my life or health in danger. So, yes, I think this type of situation is not only possible, but I'd certainly consider doing this type of situation with Mistress in a heartbeat.

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