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oceanwynds -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:32:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: piratecommander It can be difficult to get ones querant to shut the fuck up and listen, now that you mention it (I have my methods and as yet have never had to threaten violence) Pirate My method on making the querant be quiet is to tell them up front don't feed my mind. You must be quiet and if i ask you a question you can only respond yes or no. 90 % like that approach.

Raechard -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:35:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: colouredin Differant people get comfort from differant things, for some its spirituality, some its science, none is better than the other. Its what we ourselves need to believe. If you think destiny would mean that you arent in the driving seat then no one is forcing you to believe in it. For others it doenst mean that at all. There is no comfort in science sometimes just as there is no comfort in the truth. I’m not one to think scientific theory is scientific fact but the main difference between scientific theory and peoples personal beliefs is corroboration and testing. I can’t comment on destiny and to be honest it’s kind of pointless thinking about it when you consider there is no way to prove definitively self determination or destiny. One thing that can be proven is someone’s inability to predict their own or someone else’s destiny. No one wants to do this though because some need that bit of magic in their lives.

beargonewild -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:37:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard Someone once said to me here on a harry potter thread that it must be really sad being me and having no magic in my life. I tend to think as soon as you start looking for other explanations to your own personal luck or seeking guidance from others who know nothing of you, you are no longer in the driving seat to your own life and you may as well hope for the magic you could just as easily get from manipulating real life circumstances. You will never cross the road if a black cat walked across your path or walk through a triangular door? I will. Also if a perfect stranger gives me insight into my life I will dismiss it as probably doing more harm than good, unless it is the kind of universal be happy live longer tosh. I agree a person shouldn't go looking elsewhere for guidance when that guidance is usually found within oneself. Li,me I said, the cards or the runes or tea leaves are just tools that point a person to another possibility. I do not advocate a person to blindly trust an augury but to take it into consideration and if it makes sense confirming inner intuition then great, if it doesn't then cast it off like chaff upon the wind. Like others had stated, the literal interpretation of cards is subjective, it's how the person interprets those cards to themselves when the reader is doing a reading. When I read for a person, I voice what I see in the symbolism of the cards in a particular layout, it is up to the other person to determine what applies to them only. Yes I will be wrong and sometimes I am accurate. It is the person seeking who is the only one that can give validity and insight to their own life, I can not. The one important and basic rule I tell anyone who I read for is the cards only indicate possibility not definite. Thus when a person defines magic as conjuring something from nothing is pure hollywood mirrors and smoke. Magic is more subtle, it is watching a butterfly emerging from a cocoon, it is watching the birth of offspring, it is living that perfect moment in time when you and a loved one are watching the sunrise early in the morning. Magic is seeing the look of joy on an um's face when they open a birthday gift and it is having the ones you care deeply about simply look you in the eyes and say 'I love you."

aravain -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:38:07 PM)
In response to the ideas of probability: The idea is that we influence the probability (either mystically, subconsciously, accidentally or whatever way the person wants to say it) with different things that we don't notice. We can even do it purposefully. In the case of dice I've found I'm more likely to roll a twenty (woohoo!) when I sort of lightly fling the die from my right hand, but only if I use that specific die. Does that change the probability that that die will roll twenty if I roll it a different way each time? No, but it may change the actuality (or probability for just that roll) by taking into account the movement of the die (how far does is it launched, how many times does it 'roll' etc.) when I affect it.

colouredin -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:40:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard No one wants to do this though because some need that bit of magic in their lives. And good for them

oceanwynds -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:41:55 PM)
The Rider-Waite deck never did anything for me. I use Spiral and Haindl deck on clients, and Animal Wise tarot for myself.

piratecommander -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:45:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah Of Course Pirate, I was only reasoning why I won't. Steel I got that. By the way , I like that you cross reference between decks ...... shows attention to detail which can have only come from study and practise Pirate

Raechard -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:45:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aravain Does that change the probability that that die will roll twenty if I roll it a different way each time? No, but it may change the actuality (or probability for just that roll) by taking into account the movement of the die (how far does is it launched, how many times does it 'roll' etc.) when I affect it. I seriously doubt you can control what number it lands on but if you could what would that say about runes: that you want an outcome to be true by throwing them a certain way not that the outcome would be true.

piratecommander -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:51:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: oceanwynds The Rider-Waite deck never did anything for me. I use Spiral and Haindl deck on clients, and Animal Wise tarot for myself. I'm not a fan of the Rider Waite either,but without a library of a certain chosen bunch of decks, it's difficult to talk Tarot to those less experienced, I compare it to being multi lingual, it allows me to be better understood and me to better understand others. I have a number of decks but I am fondest of the Marseilles as an effective tool Pirate

kittinSol -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:53:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: piratecommander I have a number of decks but I am fondest of the Marseilles as an effective tool It could be parochial of me, but the Tarot de Marseille is the one and only, as far as I'm concerned.

piratecommander -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:54:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard quote: ORIGINAL: aravain Does that change the probability that that die will roll twenty if I roll it a different way each time? No, but it may change the actuality (or probability for just that roll) by taking into account the movement of the die (how far does is it launched, how many times does it 'roll' etc.) when I affect it. I seriously doubt you can control what number it lands on but if you could what would that say about runes: that you want an outcome to be true by throwing them a certain way not that the outcome would be true. Sometimes it needs a large dose of scepticism to kick start a decent debate on this subject, Your opinion is just as valid as the "believers" Mate ...... seriously Pirate

piratecommander -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 12:57:23 PM)
Not at all, without it, none of the rest would exist in their current form (ever looked at the Visconti Sforza ?) Pirate

MissiCat -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:00:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild Now I know why I have been and always will be a solitary Wiccan! Ditto!

beargonewild -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:11:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: piratecommander quote: ORIGINAL: Raechard quote: ORIGINAL: aravain Does that change the probability that that die will roll twenty if I roll it a different way each time? No, but it may change the actuality (or probability for just that roll) by taking into account the movement of the die (how far does is it launched, how many times does it 'roll' etc.) when I affect it. I seriously doubt you can control what number it lands on but if you could what would that say about runes: that you want an outcome to be true by throwing them a certain way not that the outcome would be true. Sometimes it needs a large dose of scepticism to kick start a decent debate on this subject, Your opinion is just as valid as the "believers" Mate ...... seriously Pirate Yes though some of the questions and arguments being presented are heading down a path which isn't good. Just don't think it's right being placed in a position where one feels the line has been crossed from a healthy debate into defending one's own beliefs

aravain -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:12:13 PM)
I'll admit I got the Rider-Waite after I'd already been reading for five years on the gothic deck. I much prefer the latter, but RW does have a certain feel of 'class' to it. I'm in the market for a new deck, but since I'm currently penniless that'll have to wait :)

aravain -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:13:32 PM)
I'm saying that an experienced person could but usually people who are being 'read' aren't experienced, and the people doing the reading know enough not to (consciously) do anything to affect it on purpose.

Raechard -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:27:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beargonewild Yes though some of the questions and arguments being presented are heading down a path which isn't good. Just don't think it's right being placed in a position where one feels the line has been crossed from a healthy debate into defending one's own beliefs I guess we can't debate anything then since everyone has a personal belief about something. What aren’t I allowed to ask, can you make a list for me? An age old tactic of shutting down debate about practically anything.

piratecommander -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:29:53 PM)
Well, yes, there's a line between a debate and attack/defence (which I'm not keen on) , maybe I'm thick skinned but now I get your drift, lets hope the debate continues, it's not too many places you can get so many experienced views being expressed with such consideration, perhaps we are all learning ..... sceptics included ? Pirate

Raechard -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:36:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aravain I'm saying that an experienced person could but usually people who are being 'read' aren't experienced, and the people doing the reading know enough not to (consciously) do anything to affect it on purpose. You say that but I often hear people go to these readings on more than one occasion and some speak of 'their reader' which they wouldn't describe them as such if they'd only seen them once or twice.

colouredin -> RE: Tarot (1/18/2009 1:37:22 PM)
A debate to me is people who are expressing their beliefs in an open minded way. Here often it does trip into argument 'im right and your wrong' and when its about beliefs then you cant really debate that.

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