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scarlethiney -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/23/2009 7:02:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: masterforRT

More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?


I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


You say your interested in what others think and then become offended when  given opinions that don't support your view.
Your perceived attitude is that of a selfish, self-absorbed, unconcerned, disrespectful, thoughtless brat.  Your view of a slave  is devoid of  simple, basic dignity and a severe lack of responsibility for the well being of another person.
What about the arrogance of this post or your profile would make you think you deserve a sincere, respectful answer???

scarlet




TranceTara -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/23/2009 10:35:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SassySarijane

I think what gets me is that in bdsm terms have different meanings a lot of times than most outside of bdsm view it. Why not use a basic bdsm definition of a term when discussing in a bdsm sense? Wouldn't that be clearer for the purposes of discussion? I know that we all have our variations on the full meanings of terms used in bdsm but the definition of slave as seen in the scene dictionary:

quote:

From "The Dictionary of Scene-Friendly Terms" compiled by Jack Rinella:

Slave: One in a state of  voluntary servitude marked by obedience and surrender. [Rinella]
One who enjoys submission, with that submission being deep enough to elicit the feeling of being owned or fully controlled by the dominant partner. [Bannon]



comes closer than standard dictionary definitions to what probably most of us mean when we talk about slavery in bdsm.

Just my thoughts for what it's worth.



To answer your question, because he was using a standard definition from Answers.com I chose to use a standard definition to meet him on his ground. He was talking about a literal translation so I used that example to show there were many literal translations based upon the root of the word and that it has evolved throughout time. Thus, if one becomes dogmatic about any definition without the room to allow for evolution and difference, then one will be most unhappy.

If I am talking to a fundamentalist Christian I will not be using the gnostic gospels of Thomas or Nag Hammadi to make my point. I'll use their point of reference.

I hope that answers your question.



DominantDamsel -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 1:43:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: masterforRT

More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


I don't see the OP's commentary as being anything more than the kind of dynamic/ideas he believes in that were tossed out here for everyone's sincere consideration. He is seeking something that is not wanna be, that is not out to play and scene and grab/gimme but to literally serve said master. Why is this so amusing and so undeserving of simple courtesy and respect?

I don't get here a lot due to obligations but it seems that every time I stop by and begin reading, I find the most intolerant, disparaging, disrespectful remarks on every thread I open and choose to read.

This OP is seeking something that for him is no role-playing game. He wants a real time slave that is the true meaning of the word, who doesn't belong to some slave labor union with a list a mile long that details what she will or won't do. The man wants a slave who won't mind being simple property, who gets off on that kind of thing, and he's certainly entitled to attempt to find one here amongst the lot of you if he so desires, is he not? So what's with all the jeering and the joking? Do you have any idea how it looks?

This is not roleplay for everyone. Some actually take this serious.

Thus far from the look of this thread, I doubt he's going to have much luck in finding what he's seeking.



susie -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 1:57:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

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ORIGINAL: masterforRT

More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


I don't see the OP's commentary as being anything more than the kind of dynamic/ideas he believes in that were tossed out here for everyone's sincere consideration. He is seeking something that is not wanna be, that is not out to play and scene and grab/gimme but to literally serve said master. Why is this so amusing and so undeserving of simple courtesy and respect?

I don't get here a lot due to obligations but it seems that every time I stop by and begin reading, I find the most intolerant, disparaging, disrespectful remarks on every thread I open and choose to read.

This OP is seeking something that for him is no role-playing game. He wants a real time slave that is the true meaning of the word, who doesn't belong to some slave labor union with a list a mile long that details what she will or won't do. The man wants a slave who won't mind being simple property, who gets off on that kind of thing, and he's certainly entitled to attempt to find one here amongst the lot of you if he so desires, is he not? So what's with all the jeering and the joking? Do you have any idea how it looks?

This is not roleplay for everyone. Some actually take this serious.

Thus far from the look of this thread, I doubt he's going to have much luck in finding what he's seeking.


I think you miss one of the biggest points in the OP. I and many others here identify ourselves as slaves. However I did choose who I am a slave too. I am not bi or even bi curious so I chose not to even consider being a slave to a woman. Yes some of us take it seriously and it is NOT roleplay but this is also real life. I have the relationship I want and yes I live as a slave to my Master. I am extremely happy in that relationship because I made the choice of who I served.



DominantDamsel -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 2:30:34 AM)

^^^Perhaps there is a significant communication gap occurring here, although we do not appear to be that far apart in age. For some, who are what used to be referred to as "old guard," this is the appropriate way to find and appeal to a slave, who is a slave in every sense of the word -- in terms of being "chattel." I don't believe the OP is actually implying that the slave need not be able to consent to becoming owned. He merely posed the question as to why slaves feel as if they are entitled to actually choose their owners when they are supposed to be chattel/property. I don't believe he is actually expecting to pick up a slave in a nonconsensual manner but it is good exposure for him to put his desires out there, which he has successfully done here. Despite the embarrassing hooplah that has occurred upon this thread, it could still possibly generate someone who actually gets it; so in this way, I can see how he could still come out ahead despite all the.. drama.



susie -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 2:39:07 AM)

What the OP is complaining about is "I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples" From that it appears he thinks a slave has no right to decide the Master or Mistress that they serve. He is not talking about a slaves consent to becoming owned rather that they should not have an issue on who they serve.



DominantDamsel -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 2:55:29 AM)

^^
All right, and why is this a problem. This is his opinion, is it not?
Why does one's simple opinion on the topic of slavery generate so much hysteria and disrespect?
Furthermore, there are those who are actually reading these boards, who are also seeking subs and slaves, who
could well find the disrespect shown to another member of this lifestyle highly unappealing. Certainly how a submissive or slave behaves upon a public forum such as this in all probability also demonstrates his or her behavior in private -- along with an obvious lack of ability to know his or her place.



susie -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 3:05:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

^^
All right, and why is this a problem. This is his opinion, is it not?
Why does one's simple opinion on the topic of slavery generate so much hysteria and disrespect?
Furthermore, there are those who are actually reading these boards, who are also seeking subs and slaves, who
could well find the disrespect shown to another member of this lifestyle highly unappealing. Certainly how a submissive or slave behaves upon a public forum such as this in all probability also demonstrates his or her behavior in private -- along with an obvious lack of ability to know his or her place.


Yes his opinion. I have my opinion on what he posted as do all the other people that have responded here.

As for the ability to know my place I certainly do. It is as directed by MY Master. People who come here and set up profiles with the title "Master" or "Dominant" do not deserve any more respect than anyone else here until they have proven they deserve respect. A spotty teenager can come here and set up a profile calling himself LordUberDom. Does not make him anything other than a spotty teenager.



DominantDamsel -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 3:22:01 AM)

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People who come here and set up profiles with the title "Master" or "Dominant" do not deserve any more respect than anyone else here until they have proven they deserve respect. A spotty teenager can come here and set up a profile calling himself LordUberDom. Does not make him anything other than a spotty teenager.


This dominant didn't ask anyone to bow down, to call him "sir," or anything else that was out of the acceptable. So explain, if you can, why he doesn't "deserve" respect as a simple member posting upon this forum. Are we dealing with a pack of uncivil curs here? People that show no one respect until such respect is earned, thus this implies that all sense of decorum and manners have been binned? 

Please remember, the "spotty teenager" thing cuts both ways; it doesn't make those who respond to others with rudeness and a lack of civility anything more than little, snotty-acting tarts and tots masquerading as doms/submissives/slaves, now does it? Perhaps it's time for a deep look into one's mirror because when good manners and simple civility must be earned, society is truly lost.



sirsholly -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 3:30:14 AM)

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So explain, if you can, why he doesn't "deserve" respect as a simple member posting upon this forum.

he deserves no respect until he has earned it



susie -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 3:34:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

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People who come here and set up profiles with the title "Master" or "Dominant" do not deserve any more respect than anyone else here until they have proven they deserve respect. A spotty teenager can come here and set up a profile calling himself LordUberDom. Does not make him anything other than a spotty teenager.


This dominant didn't ask anyone to bow down, to call him "sir," or anything else that was out of the acceptable. So explain, if you can, why he doesn't "deserve" respect as a simple member posting upon this forum. Are we dealing with a pack of uncivil curs here? People that show no one respect until such respect is earned, thus this implies that all sense of decorum and manners have been binned? 

Please remember, the "spotty teenager" thing cuts both ways; it doesn't make those who respond to others with rudeness and a lack of civility anything more than little, snotty-acting tarts and tots masquerading as doms/submissives/slaves, now does it? Perhaps it's time for a deep look into one's mirror because when good manners and simple civility must be earned, society is truly lost.


Manners and civility are different from showing respect. You were the one that suggested that some of those that posted showed a "lack of ability to know his or her place". Perhaps you could explain what his or her place actually is?



BitaTruble -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 3:43:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

Manners and civility are different from showing respect. You were the one that suggested that some of those that posted showed a "lack of ability to know his or her place". Perhaps you could explain what his or her place actually is?


I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an answer to 'that' question, Susie, despite the fact that it's a great question! It's been asked several times of various drive-by-dominants here and, as I recall, has never gotten an answer.





DominantDamsel -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 3:59:42 AM)

I would infer that one who labels himself or herself as submissive would behave, at least in some respects, politely, perhaps even in a way "in public" that demonstrates a modicum of what the word "submissive" means. The words "humble, modest, passive" demonstrate a submissive nature. How does rudeness demonstrate anything close to the label one claims? It is, instead, ironic and a contradiction.

So.. is everyone here that claims the label of submissive or slave only submissive or slave-like in the bedroom, with whom one desires to be submissive or slave-like? So then this whole thing IS a roleplay after all, isn't it? It's only reserved for those who one chooses to "act like the label" with. So what does the label really mean then? This is nothing but a roleplaying GAME for many, it would appear. It's like a costume that can be taken on and off at will. It's not real. It's not truly their nature.

I would hazard a guess that the dom in question that began this thread is looking for the real thing, for what is known as "the natural submissive." These are a rare breed and they don't put on and take off the label. The one's I've known and met would never behave like what is on display here on this thread, least of all in print for all to see on a public forum.

And those of the dominant persuasion would set an appropriate example of manners and decorum as well. I would think the golden rule would apply and be a given. Just because we are behind the screen of a computer, if we claim to be something, we should act like it and not just when it's convenient for us or when it suits us. I must go now, so I'll leave it to the rest of you to continue where you left off..

sub⋅mis⋅sive

–adjective
1.
inclined or ready to submit; unresistingly or humbly obedient: submissive servants.
2.
marked by or indicating submission: a submissive reply.






Origin:
1580–90; submiss + -ive [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image]Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
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(səb-mĭs'ĭv)  Pronunciation Key 
adj.   Inclined or willing to submit.
sub·mis'sive·ly adv., sub·mis'sive·ness n.
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submissive
adjective

1. 
inclined or willing to submit to orders or wishes of others or showing such inclination; "submissive servants"; "a submissive reply"; "replacing troublemakers with more submissive people" [ant: domineering] 

2. 
abjectly submissive; characteristic of a slave or servant; "slavish devotion to her job ruled her life"; "a slavish yes-man to the party bosses"- S.H.Adams; "she has become submissive and subservient" [syn: slavish] 
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Main Entry: sub·mis·sive
Pronunciation: s&b-'mis-iv
Function: adjective
: characterized by tendencies to yield to the will or authority ofothers submissive personality with strong parental attachments> —sub·mis·sive·ness noun

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SubmissiveSub*mis"sive\, a. 1. Inclined or ready to submit; acknowledging one's inferiority; yielding; obedient; humble.
Not at his feet submissive in distress, Creature so fair his reconcilement seeking. --Milton.
2. Showing a readiness to submit; expressing submission; as, a submissive demeanor.
With a submissive step I hasted down. --Prior.
Syn: Obedient; compliant; yielding; obsequious; subservient; humble; modest; passive. -- Sub*mis"sive*ly, adv. -- Sub*mis"sive*ness, n.

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colouredin -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 4:22:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

I would infer that one who labels himself or herself as submissive would behave, at least in some respects, politely, perhaps even in a way "in public" that demonstrates a modicum of what the word "submissive" means.


I am sorry but being a slave in a relationship is not the same as being a slave to everyone. Also an oriantation should not make any impact on how polite you are. All people should be polite, thats not the same as respect but polite. Unfortunatly this op was set out to stir that is all. I have not read the entire thread but parts of it and I have not seen any out and out rudeness but I have seen people who disagree with the op, and as you said earlier people are allowed their opinions

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I would hazard a guess that the dom in question that began this thread is looking for the real thing, for what is known as "the natural submissive." These are a rare breed and they don't put on and take off the label. The one's I've known and met would never behave like what is on display here on this thread, least of all in print for all to see on a public forum.


What is a natrual submissive then? Someone how allows themselves to be walked over by everyone who calls themselves a dominant? Someone who is unable to form their own opinion? I hope there arent too many people around like that to be honest.

You have one life and you have to do what you can to enjoy it, for me and clearly many people here that means actually being with someone you want. I dont think that many people would simply accept ownership from anyone just because they are a slave, and that is what you are implying. Real true slaves would do that and be meek and mild in the process. Everyone has a right to make their own choices, a slave has the right to choose who they are with. I am sure real proper slavery does exsist but it is a horrible nasty thing and trust me not something you would want to be a part of.. Of course you could always give it a go but if in your eyes the fact that I wouldnt want to do that means im playing a game, putting on a hat and am not true hell i will live with it.



sirsholly -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 4:26:55 AM)

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You have one life and you have to do what you can to enjoy it, for me and clearly many people here that means actually being with someone you want. I dont think that many people would simply accept ownership from anyone just because they are a slave, and that is what you are implying. Real true slaves would do that and be meek and mild in the process. Everyone has a right to make their own choices, a slave has the right to choose who they are with. I am sure real proper slavery does exsist but it is a horrible nasty thing and trust me not something you would want to be a part of.. Of course you could always give it a go but if in your eyes the fact that I wouldnt want to do that means im playing a game, putting on a hat and am not true hell i will live with it.


well said!!!!!!!!!!!



StrangerThan -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 4:33:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: masterforRT

More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


Unowned property is not your property. It is not bound in servitude to you or your household. I could steal your car and it would work for me. I could abduct a woman and force her into slavery.

Both will land me in prison.

Part of the process of becoming bound in servitude is the acceptance of such on both sides as there is no legal ground for M/s relationships beyond acceptance on both sides.

So... what don't you understand?



LaTigresse -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 5:34:59 AM)

Good gawd, I just love these drive-by, holier than thou, "lifestyle" people that swing through a controversial thread and wave their true way manual and membership cards around from on top their self built pedestals.

Why is is so bloody hard for some people to remember that, no matter what kind of ubercooldominantkingqueenofthefuckinguniverse, you THINK you are in your own little castle/hovel.........to the rest of us/theworld you are just another bag of hot air until you prove otherwise???

I know I would never be interested in a slave that behaved this way and if I was a slave/submissive, I sure as hell would be laughing my cute little, wanna-be-red, ass off at a self titled dominant that did.



StrangerThan -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 5:43:02 AM)

Since we're having school today.

Main Entry: pompous [pom-puhs]

Part of Speech: adjective

Definition: arrogant, egotistic

Synonyms: affected, bloated, boastful, bombastic, conceited, flatulent, flaunting, flowery, fustian, grandiloquent, grandiose, high and mighty*, highfaluting*, high-flown*, imperious, important, inflated, magisterial, magniloquent, narcissistic, orotund, ostentatious, overbearing, overblown, pontifical, portentous, presumptuous, pretentious, puffed up, puffy*, rhetorical, self-centered, self-important, selfish, showy, sonorous, stuck-up*, supercilious, turgid, uppity*, vain, vainglorious, windy*



Lynnxz -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 5:46:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DominantDamsel

^^
All right, and why is this a problem. This is his opinion, is it not?
Why does one's simple opinion on the topic of slavery generate so much hysteria and disrespect?
Furthermore, there are those who are actually reading these boards, who are also seeking subs and slaves, who
could well find the disrespect shown to another member of this lifestyle highly unappealing. Certainly how a submissive or slave behaves upon a public forum such as this in all probability also demonstrates his or her behavior in private -- along with an obvious lack of ability to know his or her place.


Heh, and this is why I chose 'switch'... now my place is whereever I'd like it to be at the moment, and no one can cry about it. [:D]

People are certainly entitled to their opinion on a 'man' who wants to just snatch people off the streets and make them into his slaves. It reeks of living in a fantasy world, and if he actually goes through with it... stupidity.



WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Slaves with requirements... (1/24/2009 7:07:00 AM)

I think courtesy is always a good thing, and certainly appreciate it, especially when it is reciprocated.  In fact, one might say that answering sincere questions posed to you on your own thread would be a form of courtesy. 

In a way, I think I see the point he was attempting to make, but I don't see any reason to particpate further, after this post, - until he actually comes back and steps up. 

As for my place?  I definitely know my place.  I may some day be HIS cumslut hole to use and abuse, but  I sure as hell am not up for grabs, nor is my place among the quivering, cowering, voiceless masses.

All that said, however, my personal stance is that I'm not a slave until owned, I'm merely an aspiring cumslut hole awaiting to be claimed and used and abused, with the free will to choose who claims me.  I.E a person who happens to also be submissive, among many other things. 

WinD



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