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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 5:12:38 AM   
WinsomeDefiance


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Status: offline 		Dear Mr MasterforRT, earlier in the post I posed a few questions that were not addressed.  I'm aware you are under no obligation to respond, but should you chose to do so, it would be greatly appreciaed.  As the original poster, and author of this thread, I'm not attacking you, or snarking you.  I'm genuinely curious as to how your line of logic works for you, personally. 

My original question to you:   Do you honestly believe that YOU, MasterforRT have the right to approach any individual you take a fancy to who identifies as a slave  and say to them, "I want you.  I own you.  You WILL obey me?" 
 
Snipped from your own words posted:  I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

So again, my question to you is:  How do you think that should work out for you?

My question to you remains once again:  Do you honestly believe that a sensient being should behave as an inanimate object, with no will nor choice of whom to surrender to; in effect, devoid of any autonomy?

Snipped from your own words posed:  Where did I say they were not people? Of course they are people..BUT AGAIN I SAY, by the actual def. of what a slave is they are ALSO property! They have no rights.  The fact that no one owns them only means that they are available for ANYONE to own them.

I'm still genuinely curious as to where your logic is leading you on this one.  If you genuinely follow the path of logic you are using, does your behavior and how you interact with those you believe are slaves reflect this?  Again, how does this work for you?  What I'm asking, is how do your BELIEFS in the unyielding definition of a slave, translate into the reality of your world, your actions, your interactions with people in person - and have there been any negative consequences.
 
I understand these are tough questions.  You may not feel inclined to answer them, but I sure would appreciate some insight to your thoughts.

WinD

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 5:16:30 AM   
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My original question to you: Do you honestly believe that YOU, MasterforRT have the right to approach any individual you take a fancy to who identifies as a slave and say to them, "I want you. I own you. You WILL obey me?"

Snipped from your own words posted: I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?
good post Win. I think he gave an indication of his opinion on this when he said that, in the case of a slave who will not submit, she is in fact NOT a slave, but a submissive.

I am answering this as the OP has a charming habit of pulling a hit and run. i hope i am wrong, but i seriously doubt you will get an answer out of him.


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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 5:19:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've decided to give the OP a chance and give his logic a try out.

Therefore if you live in California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Florida, and erm... Canada I wish to inform you now that you are my property and I now own you as my slave. And that includes some of you doms and dommes out there too. I'm not fussy, and I'll sort the lot of you out trust me.

I am Supreme Goddess Stella (and no gossiping about me on Polls and Other Random Stupidity either, I know what some of you lot are like).

Now for some ground rules...

Erm.. I'm in charge.. This means you do as you're told.. No nookie as well...

And no playing with yourselves, or other people either. Leave them alone.

Nookie only with the lights out... I want my property to be able to function in the dark.

And oh erm... I need more coffee.

I will be back..

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 6:04:01 AM   
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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 6:16:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is how I'm translating MasterforRT's concept as opposed to my own.  His seems to be of the belief that someone who identifies as a slave should be up for grabs by anyone, as opposed to being a slave who is an individual on the market, for an owner. 

His perception seems to be that they are little more than discarded property (refuse), up for grabs; where I think many view them as a commodity, available at a price, and possessing intrinsic value in what they have to offer.   

Keeping in line with his thinking, a car may be a lovely piece of property just sitting there waiting to be owned, but if you don't approach OWNING that car through realistic measures, then you put your own liberty and freedoms at risk.  The car doesn't stop being a car, simply because you got arrested for trying to hotwire it, and the courts won't let you drag your claimed property to the jail cell with you.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 6:22:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterforRT


Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


No, not for me. I am a person and a slave that has preferences in things. Just because I identify as a slave doesn't mean I am willing to do or accept anything with someone. We all have preferences in things we like and things we want from our dynamics, after all M/s is not one sided to me. I see it as symbiotic not just one person is in the dynamic. So finding someone I am compatible with makes it fulfilling for all involved. 

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 6:23:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: feydeplume

I had a misogynistic blender once. it hated me, tried to kill my mom, but would make perfect pesto for my step dad. 

I guess it just wanted to be dommed by a man?



Excellent logic! It also leads me to believe that my car is definetly a lesbian!

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 6:28:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		But wait.....

"My wife is aware of what I do and not only supports it, she sometimes helps (she is a submissive with a Domme streak)."

PLease explain how this fits in with your original post???

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 7:50:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		without reading any other posts besides the OP's  i'm putting my two cents in.

The slave not only has a right but a responsibility to choose who she is going to serve since that should be the last choice she makes. 

But being a slave for Master i also realize even that statement is not only unrealistic but not practical.  What benefit would i be to my Master if i could not make choices?  If i could not think for myself that he may need more water, he may need his slippers, or his feet rubbed.   Serving him everyday is a choice.. Finding or creating ways to please him is a choice.

I understand some like to be micromanaged but i'm betting even they make a choice of being micromanaged.

I've also learned that a slave maybe a slave to one person but submissive or even Dominant to other people.  It has always been my belief that people have the personalities of being Dominant or submissive and that each person has a percentage of both personalities.  I don't believe there is a personality of 'slave' or 'master',  although that is what we wish to identify ourselves as.

Besides.. wouldn't you want someone who would willingly serve you instead of being forced to?  You can go so much further if you are both willing to go that way. 

good luck to you

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 7:52:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterforRT

More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


That word consensual has a lot to do with the answer to your question.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 9:53:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a wild guess here, but i am wondering if this is a form of sour grapes. Someone who self-identifies as slave turned him down because he has the "wrong" genitals/gender for them. I am guessing that it is a case of "there is no such thing as a lesbian, just a woman who hasnt had a REAL man yet".  I say this because seen that mindset alot through the years.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 9:54:55 AM   
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Just a wild guess here, but i am wondering if this is a form of sour grapes. Someone who self-identifies as slave turned him down because he has the "wrong" genitals/gender for them.

*nods*
though my guess would be the wrong attitude.


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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 11:44:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: redwoodgirl

But wait.....

"My wife is aware of what I do and not only supports it, she sometimes helps (she is a submissive with a Domme streak)."

PLease explain how this fits in with your original post???

Because his wife is a sub, not a slave.  He doesn't think subs are property.  He said subs have choice.  But as slaves are property, with no rights, how can they possibly have choice.

I don't agree, but thought I'd help to explain... as I don't think he will be coming back considering this has become a "bash you for having the wrong opinion" thread.

quote:

ORIGINAL: feydeplume

Just a wild guess here, but i am wondering if this is a form of sour grapes. Someone who self-identifies as slave turned him down because he has the "wrong" genitals/gender for them. I am guessing that it is a case of "there is no such thing as a lesbian, just a woman who hasnt had a REAL man yet".  I say this because seen that mindset alot through the years.

I'm pretty sure this is just one of those, "this is my opinion, what is yours?" type of situation.  He probably learned it from someone else, or like many of us, decided that this was worked best for him.

To no one in particular:
The sub/slave debate, as many of you all have said over and over, have been going on for some while.  I don't understand why when someone comes on here with an opinion that is vastly different from mine it becomes okay to respond with insults to that person's attitude, intelligence, and overall being.
I don't believe in female domination, but YKINMK. (<-- did I get that right?)
Does that mean when I voice my personal opinion on female domination I should burned alive in the town square?  'Cause sadly, that's what happened to this guy.

And now that we have 8 pages of insults (and quite a few very intelligent posts, I might add) and instead of actually having an intelligent conversation regarding this man's opinion, how he goes about it, and how it works out for him, we're going to continue to get more pages talking about just how F**ed up this guy is.

While I don't agree with his opinion AT ALL, it doesn't mean I don't want to learn about it.
I don't want to live in Iran either, but it doesn't mean I'm not interested in learning about it.

I only put this post here, because quite a few of the people that were incredibly insulting are the same ones that tend to sing loudly the YKINMK when it's their opinions on the chopping block, but sadly did not offer this man the same courtesy.

Geez.... sorry for coming off like I think I'm someone's mom.  It's unintentional, but as a newbie I find these kinds of threads rather disturbing and it makes me think twice before posting an opinion because well... if I'm different and my difference is not appreciated... *points at thread*  that is what will happen to me.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 11:58:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because these issues are so emotionally charged for some people they will defend them strongly, even rabidly. That does't excuse my joking around or anyone's "bashing", but it does explain the behaviors. Here is my sense of humor and my desire to disarm conflict with humor in play...
"Does that mean when I voice my personal opinion on female domination I should burned alive in the town square?" Just don't do it in the Ask a Mistress forum!

It is clear that you too have strong feeling about this topic, and perhaps more importantly, how people responded to it. Good for you for jumping in with your thoughts.


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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 12:06:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: feydeplume
"Does that mean when I voice my personal opinion on female domination I should burned alive in the town square?" Just don't do it in the Ask a Mistress forum!


LOL... I will take that advice to heart!

You're right... it can be very emotionally charging... which is why, even though I've been following this from the beginning, I didn't make my first post until page 5 (or was it 6) when I thought I might be able to get my opinion across without sounding like a rabid angry dog. 
I think I did well 

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 12:14:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Catgirl, the reason the op is getting bashed is because he announced that his, or rather answer.com's definition of a slave is the only real one. He is the one who said that only his kink is good, that any of us who think differently than him are not ok.

He can't go around bashing everyone else and not expect to get it back. As Harry Truman said, "if you can't stand the hear, get out of the kitchen". The op's failure to reappear shows him up very strongly as someone who can't stand the heat, he dishes it out but can't take it.

I don't know about you, but I personally don't respect people like that.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 12:14:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dammit it people!!!  I was going to declare myself a slave and demand a certain Mistrerss claim ownership of me. 

Wow, if only it worked in reverse I wonder if he would be happy, all these slaves demanding to be owned by him.  I'm sure the line would go around the forums.


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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 12:15:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It does open the question of how he can assimilate the idea of an unowned slave at all. Someone made a point that a slave is one that is owned, not someone that has been owned or wants to be owned, only someone that IS owned. That is a common belief as well and might be part of the OP's real question. Slave/slavery is and has been, one of the most hotly debated "issues" that i have ever seen on BDSM boards and that is not likely to change.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 12:16:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slaves rise up and demand Owners! yeah i can see that one going over well.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/22/2009 12:32:58 PM   
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"My wife is aware of what I do and not only supports it, she sometimes helps (she is a submissive with a Domme streak)."

To the OP: A submissive with a Domme streak would be called a switch. You know, that identification that you've posted over and over again doesn't exist in real life 


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