RE: britain wants guns back

RE: britain wants guns back (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid

Message

rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 7:01:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 You really think I have to provide documentation of people getting blown away and murdered in their own home? Jennifer Hudson had 3 family members attacked and murdered in their home.Thats in Chicago where their is a handgun ban. Thats a famous person. I'm sure plenty more but no, I'm not going to provide the data. look it up yourself. So, in other words, you are either too lazy to document your own argument or you know it has no merit.

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 7:33:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 But regardless of gun laws dont criminals still get guns illegally? There have been many raped and murdered during a home invation. A person should be able to protect themselves. How many? Can you provide any documentation, or should we believe it is a tremendous problem that requires us all to sleep with a loaded gun within easy reach? Well this wasn't directed at me but have to say, it's a bit annoying watching all these responses acting like violent home crime is some myth. Though I'm a bit envious that people still have that luxury, I lost that notion years ago. Here's the stats for my town in 2008. Just click on a red spot, will tell you where the person died. You'll see plenty of homes in the bubbles, some people can't even get out of their driveway before being murdered. People die here almost daily from home invasions. Sure we have petty little home robberies who will run if confronted. We also have little organized outfits who make a career out of home burglaries, and will blow your ass away if you happen to be home while they 'go to work.' Not to mention all the base operations for all the drug/gun runners that fly through here to and from Mexico, spreading out through the rest of America. For all the gun protection we are afforded here in Texas, people still die daily from violent crime. Every now and then, you read a piece about an owner blowing the criminal away. And rarely is it some little nickel and dime crook who has no intent on harming any who get in his way. Anyways, off my box here. Just wanted to point out though, just because it may not happen where someone is living, doesn't mean that it's not going on daily by the minute where another person is living. Anyways, this is just for the limits of Houston, the surrounding area has just as many people and just as much crime. Way to lazy to dig all that up though. http://www.ericcarlson.net/crimestats/murder2008.html

ALAstella -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 7:38:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 4 men with guns break in and me without my gun is safer for me? How so? I should not have my gun because they might be quicker on the trigger than me? You might be safer, you might not. The situation has various outcomes and each outcome carries with it a risk. As you've assumed that the 4 men have guns I don't see how you would be any safer with a gun, as you would still be outnumbered. Let me give you another example here. I live in South London on the fringes of a district called Stockwell, which together with neighbouring Camberwell and Peckham has a dangerous reputation. This is no different I guess from the dangerous neighbourhoods of most US cities. You've got your homies, your hoodies, your gangs, your drug dealers (some of my neighbours deal), your knives and your guns. This is an area apparently (I can't remember where I read the source) which is more dangerous statistically than similar areas in downtown New York. It doesn't matter that much I guess, because we're talking about similar districts which you find in cities in the UK, the US, and all over the world. But my point here is I can walk out of my apartment any time, night or day, and go about my business, and I don't need to have or own a weapon to protect myself. I protect myself in other ways. I don't go to certain ATM machines to withdraw cash, I don't flash any cash, flaunt a cellphone, wear expensive jewellery, when I'm out late at night or in a more isolated part of the neighbourhood I keep moving, I stay out of trouble. Sure, there's always an outside chance I might get attacked, just as there's an outside chance you might get your home burglarized by criminals, but then again I might get caught up in a road traffic accident, I might have a heart attack.. Life is unpredictable. Having a gun doesn't make it any more predictable.

rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 7:58:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild Well this wasn't directed at me but have to say, it's a bit annoying watching all these responses acting like violent home crime is some myth. Though I'm a bit envious that people still have that luxury, I lost that notion years ago. Here's the stats for my town in 2008. Just click on a red spot, will tell you where the person died. You'll see plenty of homes in the bubbles, some people can't even get out of their driveway before being murdered. People die here almost daily from home invasions. Sure we have petty little home robberies who will run if confronted. We also have little organized outfits who make a career out of home burglaries, and will blow your ass away if you happen to be home while they 'go to work.' Not to mention all the base operations for all the drug/gun runners that fly through here to and from Mexico, spreading out through the rest of America. For all the gun protection we are afforded here in Texas, people still die daily from violent crime. Every now and then, you read a piece about an owner blowing the criminal away. And rarely is it some little nickel and dime crook who has no intent on harming any who get in his way. Anyways, off my box here. Just wanted to point out though, just because it may not happen where someone is living, doesn't mean that it's not going on daily by the minute where another person is living. Anyways, this is just for the limits of Houston, the surrounding area has just as many people and just as much crime. Way to lazy to dig all that up though. http://www.ericcarlson.net/crimestats/murder2008.html People die daily from home invasions in Houston? Thank God I live in a nice, safe place like Cleveland where that rarely happens. Maybe you should petition the Governor to have National Guard trooops patrol the streets if there is so much danger there.

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 8:04:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild Well this wasn't directed at me but have to say, it's a bit annoying watching all these responses acting like violent home crime is some myth. Though I'm a bit envious that people still have that luxury, I lost that notion years ago. Here's the stats for my town in 2008. Just click on a red spot, will tell you where the person died. You'll see plenty of homes in the bubbles, some people can't even get out of their driveway before being murdered. People die here almost daily from home invasions. Sure we have petty little home robberies who will run if confronted. We also have little organized outfits who make a career out of home burglaries, and will blow your ass away if you happen to be home while they 'go to work.' Not to mention all the base operations for all the drug/gun runners that fly through here to and from Mexico, spreading out through the rest of America. For all the gun protection we are afforded here in Texas, people still die daily from violent crime. Every now and then, you read a piece about an owner blowing the criminal away. And rarely is it some little nickel and dime crook who has no intent on harming any who get in his way. Anyways, off my box here. Just wanted to point out though, just because it may not happen where someone is living, doesn't mean that it's not going on daily by the minute where another person is living. Anyways, this is just for the limits of Houston, the surrounding area has just as many people and just as much crime. Way to lazy to dig all that up though. http://www.ericcarlson.net/crimestats/murder2008.html People die daily from home invasions in Houston? Thank God I live in a nice, safe place like Cleveland where that rarely happens. Maybe you should petition the Governor to have National Guard trooops patrol the streets if there is so much danger there. Don't need to [:)] But wondering why you'd even ask someone, obvious you had no interest in hearing what was actually going on in some places. Why you'd insist on stats is beyond me. How about you provide some on how many have lived through a home invasion since you seem to be the authority on home invasions. I have some time here.

rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 8:05:16 PM)
Just out of curiosity, what did your link have to do with home invasions?

rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 8:11:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild Don't need to [:)] But wondering why you'd even ask someone, obvious you had no interest in hearing what was actually going on in some places. Why you'd insist on stats is beyond me. How about you provide some on how many have lived through a home invasion since you seem to be the authority on home invasions. I have some time here. So, basically, what you are saying is I am supposed to believe whatever nonsense someone wants to spout off here as fact without any documentation or supporting evidence.

Aneirin -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 8:16:33 PM)
Ok, something else to ask the pro gun posters here, when would you use your gun ? You might answer when you feel threatened, but at what level does that threat have to be ? Say someone threatened to punch your lights out because they did'nt like your face, is that enough to feel threatened enough to pull your piece, what if they came at you, would you gun them down, would you shoot and possibly kill an unarmed person ? You see, despite us not having guns for protection, we can defend ourselves, if someone enters our home, we can ask them to leave, they refuse, we call the police and if they attack, we can use what is called reasonable force to stop the assailant. What reasonable force is usually argued over in a court of law afterwards, but if you life is threatened, then you may protect your life. Now if an intruder has a gun, well, I suppose you just do what they say, property can be replaced. If they threaten your life with said gun, well there is not a lot you can do about that. The interest in guns in the US reminded me about a situation a few years back where a couple of British tourists, two Scots males had hired a car in the US and got lost, so they did what people do here, they sought to ask someone, but it being dark there was no one about, so they left their car and went to knock on a house door to ask, only to both be shot on the doorstep. The gunner, the occupant of the house said he thought they were criminals coming to attack him, no words were exchanged, he just shot them on his doorstep.

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 8:21:06 PM)
Murder stats, I did say click over the bubbles, you can see for yourself how many are in the home. But I do see your point there, not all are home invasions, my bad. I do have a much better site but it's not one that is easily navigated. You have to know the codes and it's all broke down by subdivisions and the months of the year. Here is just a sample for the month of January of last year, again, one small area. Ok, I'm linking to a part of town in Houston: http://www.houstontx.gov/police/cs/beatpages/north.htm This link is from the below, in the first part of the area, this is just their crime stats, not the entire map shown, and just for ONE month: http://www.houstontx.gov/police/cs/stats2008/jan08/jan083b10.htm Just scroll for 20A in burglaries, that means apartments, you can see for just that month alone, in that one tiny little region how many happened. Here are the codes: http://www.houstontx.gov/police/cs/beatpages/premise.htm This is why I linked the other page, much easier lol!

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 8:23:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild Don't need to [:)] But wondering why you'd even ask someone, obvious you had no interest in hearing what was actually going on in some places. Why you'd insist on stats is beyond me. How about you provide some on how many have lived through a home invasion since you seem to be the authority on home invasions. I have some time here. So, basically, what you are saying is I am supposed to believe whatever nonsense someone wants to spout off here as fact without any documentation or supporting evidence. Well, what evidence do you have? You're spouting just as much as the rest of us in here. If you have a site that says it's better to not have a gun when being invaded, I will read it. It's not something I see to much down here in Houston.

HalfShyHalfWild -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 8:32:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Ok, something else to ask the pro gun posters here, when would you use your gun ? You might answer when you feel threatened, but at what level does that threat have to be ? Say someone threatened to punch your lights out because they did'nt like your face, is that enough to feel threatened enough to pull your piece, what if they came at you, would you gun them down, would you shoot and possibly kill an unarmed person ? You see, despite us not having guns for protection, we can defend ourselves, if someone enters our home, we can ask them to leave, they refuse, we call the police and if they attack, we can use what is called reasonable force to stop the assailant. What reasonable force is usually argued over in a court of law afterwards, but if you life is threatened, then you may protect your life. Now if an intruder has a gun, well, I suppose you just do what they say, property can be replaced. If they threaten your life with said gun, well there is not a lot you can do about that. The interest in guns in the US reminded me about a situation a few years back where a couple of British tourists, two Scots males had hired a car in the US and got lost, so they did what people do here, they sought to ask someone, but it being dark there was no one about, so they left their car and went to knock on a house door to ask, only to both be shot on the doorstep. The gunner, the occupant of the house said he thought they were criminals coming to attack him, no words were exchanged, he just shot them on his doorstep. I'm only addressing your question asked about when I'd use it. I will pray never. I've only brought it out once in absolute fear. And sat there praying to God I would not have to use it and the person outside would go away. I also called the cops and my father who at the time lived 2 miles away, this was in Mississippi of all places. My father came within minutes of my call and my prayer was answered. I was terrified and the only adult in the house. I wasn't all pumping my fist in the air going I'll get your ass! After that, I spent almost a month at my dad's. And my then boyfriend moved in when I did go back home. I hope to never in my life experience that again. I have noticed in my various gun debates over the years, is it that some think that us pro gun people are really just looking for an excuse to play Dirty Harry? I mean, I guess for as much passion as the debate brings, I could see that being thought by the other side. Honestly, I'm not a gun nut, really don't care for them. But I'm also alone most the time with others to protect. I hope I never in my life have to use mine, if that answers the question.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 9:21:20 PM)
quote: Ok, something else to ask the pro gun posters here, when would you use your gun ? You might answer when you feel threatened, but at what level does that threat have to be ? Say someone threatened to punch your lights out because they did'nt like your face, is that enough to feel threatened enough to pull your piece, what if they came at you, would you gun them down, would you shoot and possibly kill an unarmed person ? You see, despite us not having guns for protection, we can defend ourselves, if someone enters our home, we can ask them to leave, they refuse, we call the police and if they attack, we can use what is called reasonable force to stop the assailant. What reasonable force is usually argued over in a court of law afterwards, but if you life is threatened, then you may protect your life. Now if an intruder has a gun, well, I suppose you just do what they say, property can be replaced. If they threaten your life with said gun, well there is not a lot you can do about that. The interest in guns in the US reminded me about a situation a few years back where a couple of British tourists, two Scots males had hired a car in the US and got lost, so they did what people do here, they sought to ask someone, but it being dark there was no one about, so they left their car and went to knock on a house door to ask, only to both be shot on the doorstep. The gunner, the occupant of the house said he thought they were criminals coming to attack him, no words were exchanged, he just shot them on his doorstep. Where did this incident with the Scots males occur? I never heard about it. I'm not saying it didn't, I just don't recall hearing about it. If it happened the way you say it happened, that's a crime. I do remember a long time ago an Asian kid got killed on Halloween. I also remember some British tourists getting murdered over the years by thieves. The one that springs to mind the most is the British couple murdered at a Florida highway rest stop. A big no-no in the States is stopping at unattended highway rest stops at night. I'll piss on the side of the road before I go into isolated rest stops at night. As to your question; I use my guns for hunting primarily, recreationally target shooting secondarily, and protection lastly. I never carry one on me during my day to day activities. I sometimes have one in the car if I am on a trip or have to go to the ATM at night. As to when I would use it for protection; if you try to rob me, if you try to assault me, if you break into my home while I'm there, if I am around when you are doing any of the above to another person. For unarmed folks, I'll let them know I have it. It's on them to retreat. I'm not going to risk getting beat to death by a 6'3", 230 lb rapist just because he's not armed. I'm sorry, but you know that you run the risk of being killed when you decide to commit a crime. I don't want to use it, and I hope I never have to. I'm not a gun nut; I haven't turned weapons into a fetish. I don't own an arsenal. But I do like having them, and I do consider it my right. Now again, I have no dog in this particular fight. I said it before, the gun laws in other countries don't concern me. I don't care.

popeye1250 -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 10:20:03 PM)
People die daily from home invasions in Houston? Thank God I live in a nice, safe place like Cleveland where that rarely happens. Maybe you should petition the Governor to have National Guard trooops patrol the streets if there is so much danger there. Rule, or maybe we need to put National Guard Troops along that border. Bush didn't care about securing our border and even considered Mexico a "friend" to the U.S.! Let's hope President Obama has a sea change on that kind of diseased thinking. Boy, Bush really was an idiot!

BamaD -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 10:51:42 PM)
Actually the tourists were oriental and there were words exchanged, unfortunatly the tourist didn't speak any English and the Lounisanan didn't speak anything else.

BamaD -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 10:53:13 PM)
Last home invasion we had in this part of Alabama ended with 3 dead, the intruders. Seems they invaded the wrong home.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 11:00:57 PM)
quote: Actually the tourists were oriental and there were words exchanged, unfortunatly the tourist didn't speak any English and the Lounisanan didn't speak anything else. You're taking two seperate incidents I mentioned in my post and cramming them together. The "oriental" ie. Asian which I said was killed on Halloween. I didn't mention that it was in Louisiana, because I forgot. The other incident with the tourists, were British citizens. They were a married couple and they were killed by teenage robbers at a rest stop in Florida.

Aneirin -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/24/2009 11:43:52 PM)
quote: Where did this incident with the Scots males occur? I never heard about it. I'm not saying it didn't, I just don't recall hearing about it. If it happened the way you say it happened, that's a crime. It also was a long time ago, I have been trying to find a link about it, but it's old news. I just remember it being reported on the tv news a few years ago, why I remembered it, was the fact that these two people just basically did what many Britons would do, if lost, ask someone. I do intend to go to the US, at some point, I have family there somewhere, ( somewhere up by Niagara falls the last I heard), but it is friends I wish to go and see, and just generally have a look at the place, that has always been my wish. I am just going to learn to be aware of certain things.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 12:02:36 AM)
Well it's not the wild west here, despite what you see on the news. It's like anywhere, you just have to be aware of your surroundings. Now people stop here and ask for directions, but you don't usually knock on someone's door to do it. I'd stop at a gas station, they're generally open all 24 hours a day. I'm kind of curious what time it was when these two knocked on the door. I won't open my door late at night if I don't know you. I certainly wouldn't shoot someone just because they knocked; that's a crime. But late at night, I would be suspicious. It's out of the ordinary for someone to do that.

piratecommander -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 12:18:29 AM)
Well , I've been here 3 days in Florida Aneirin and haven't been shot at once , I will try not to get lost or stop to piss on any Yanks whilst I'm here though. I thought at first they were giving me funny looks because of my cute accent ...... then GT pointed out that It might be the ink , handcuffs ........ or just that I'm a sexy bastard they can't keep their eyes off (but then,she is biased) Pirate

NorthernGent -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 12:49:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 You know what? I just came from a movie in which some of my people(the jews) took to the forest and protected themselves and did what they had to to survive. They learned to kill people. So if you have had all your guns taken away from you and your country is invaded what will you do to protect yourselves? Well, we haven't been invaded since 1066 - some may say that's because England really isn't worth the trouble, but that's an altogether different matter. The Germans, however, had a crack at us in 1940, but didn't fair particularly well and had to shelve the invasion plans (we did enough despite the fact that the public were not armed with bazookas). It's like I said in an earlier post, this is a moderate nation devoid of paranoia - we simply do not believe that other nations want to destroy us. You're projecting a very American view of the world: "they're all out to get us" onto another people that simply don't think like you in this regard. What's that saying about walking in another man's shoes. quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 Oh, dont worry. We'll save you. I'm curious as to why so many Americans seem to think like this. What is it about the indoctrination of the American education system that leads so many to this conclusion? Luscious, I'd suggest you save yourselves before you even begin to think of saving the world. From where I'm standing, you have work to do.

Page: << < prev 18 19 [20] 21 22 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875