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RE: Senate Democrats move toward seating Franken - 1/22/2009 9:15:27 PM

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Damn, Reid should get with it then, and kick out all the Republicans, since he has that power. Wierd, how no one ever noticed it before.....It can be used for cause, if there is a dispute or the Senator doesn't meet the qualifications.

But this thread is about seating someone before the Election has ended (And Democratic Congressional leaders who think they have more power than they do)....Hence the power to reject has no bearing...at all...

Some people actually believe in democracy and some people have learned from our history when the GOP actually did use that power to appoint their own choices in states who voted for their opponents.

But no amount of complaining will change the plain language of the Constitution, the Senate is the judge of their elections.

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RE: Senate Democrats move toward seating Franken - 1/22/2009 9:23:20 PM

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You know Maestro,your writing style,expressions and other "qualities" remind me of another fella from Anchorage named Luckydog.

His account went inactive, just as your`s was opened.

Is that you,lucky?

Yes, it is.

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RE: Senate Democrats move toward seating Franken - 1/23/2009 5:09:04 AM

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Read the Constitution. It's pretty black and white. The Senate is the judge of who is elected to the Senate. They don't need cause to reject a Senator. They simply need a majority vote.

The results of the MN Senatorial election have not been certified, so the vote tallies are not official. That seems to be the bit that is getting past you. Until the State of MN certifies the election results, there is no winner - there is no one to seat. Once we've done that, the Senate gets to be the judge of the election and can choose to accept or reject credentials.

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RE: Senate Democrats move toward seating Franken - 1/23/2009 5:41:59 AM

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Read the Constitution. It's pretty black and white. The Senate is the judge of who is elected to the Senate. They don't need cause to reject a Senator. They simply need a majority vote.

The results of the MN Senatorial election have not been certified, so the vote tallies are not official. That seems to be the bit that is getting past you. Until the State of MN certifies the election results, there is no winner - there is no one to seat. Once we've done that, the Senate gets to be the judge of the election and can choose to accept or reject credentials.

Really I understand what you're trying to say. I'm just telling you that that isn't actually the way it works. The Senate is the judge of the elections and returns for its elections. That means it decides when and who is the winner of all elections of Senators. If the Senate chooses to seat Franken then it doesn't have to wait for anything at all from the state government. As a matter of fact that is what is likely to happen next week rather than let Coleman's court challenge deny MN the representation they are entitleed to.

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RE: Senate Democrats move toward seating Franken - 1/23/2009 6:37:51 AM

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The Senate can seat or refuse to seat whoever they want for pretty much any reason they want the way I understand it. They could refuse to seat Franken because his seat still doesn't give them a filibuster proof majority. They could have refused to seat Saxby Chambliss for having kicked Jim Martin's ass in the December runoff and making the Franken - Coleman outcome largely irrelevant.

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RE: Senate Democrats move toward seating Franken - 1/23/2009 8:43:33 AM

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Read the Constitution. It's pretty black and white. The Senate is the judge of who is elected to the Senate. They don't need cause to reject a Senator. They simply need a majority vote.

The results of the MN Senatorial election have not been certified, so the vote tallies are not official. That seems to be the bit that is getting past you. Until the State of MN certifies the election results, there is no winner - there is no one to seat. Once we've done that, the Senate gets to be the judge of the election and can choose to accept or reject credentials.

Everyone`s correct but I think you`re the most accurate.It`s two things really,the state`s interests and prerogatives and the Senate`s(it isn`t called the world's most exclusive club,for nothing).

Both have to happen.The state process and then the Senate`s.

Do I remember correctly that you live in Minnesota?My Aunt (a retired public school teacher) lives in Minneapolis.

That fella from Illinois appointed by Blago to the Senate, showed us that even the Senate didn`t know everything about the Senate.It`s a mix of hard rules and politics,which switches out the fixed over to the unpredictable.

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RE: Senate Democrats move toward seating Franken - 1/23/2009 4:30:54 PM

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Both have to happen.The state process and then the Senate`s.

Yup, that's what I was getting at. The state process comes first, after which the Senate can exercise its prerogatives. Hubby recalls that there was some case where the Senate chose whom to seat when a state's process became hopelessly deadlocked, but doesn't recall who/when/where.

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Do I remember correctly that you live in Minnesota?My Aunt (a retired public school teacher) lives in Minneapolis.

Yep, I'm a Minnesotan. If I weren't so much in love with my job and my little shack on the prairie, I'd be living in Minneapolis, too. It's a fabulous place with a lot going on, kink-wise, arts-wise, all kinds of ways. Folks who visit from other major metros are always impressed with Minneapolis/St Paul.

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