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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/26/2009 4:59:06 AM   
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I have no fear of male behavior. It is easily modified and controlled.  Certain male behavior baffles me and makes me question the mental stability of the men in question, prime examples being naked football fans painted in their teams colors in sub-zero temperatures and that chest bumping in the air gesture when their team scores.
 
If a potential is not house-broken he will sleep out in the garage inside the dog kennel, be fed and watered from bowls on the ground and piss outside.  And if he is missing innoculations then off to the sadistic doctor he goes!  Gags are in order if he has issues with chewing the furniture or attempting to bite people. 

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On the other hand, I am house broken (sort of); I don't bite and even if I did, I've had my shots!



OMG!!!  Are you serious? lol...

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/26/2009 10:12:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		i enjoy being a man..but i enjoy being a submissive man a helluva lot more.In our society and in the way we were exposed to certain things and perhaps in the way we were raised,that might be a contradiction in tems but not for me.

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/26/2009 11:20:12 PM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/26/2009 11:21:05 PM   
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I have no fear of male behavior. It is easily modified and controlled.  Certain male behavior baffles me and makes me question the mental stability of the men in question, prime examples being naked football fans painted in their teams colors in sub-zero temperatures and that chest bumping in the air gesture when their team scores.
 
If a potential is not house-broken he will sleep out in the garage inside the dog kennel, be fed and watered from bowls on the ground and piss outside.  And if he is missing innoculations then off to the sadistic doctor he goes!  Gags are in order if he has issues with chewing the furniture or attempting to bite people. 

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ORIGINAL: SnowRanger
On the other hand, I am house broken (sort of); I don't bite and even if I did, I've had my shots!



OMG!!!  Are you serious? lol...



I'm sure she is! lol  I also think I can enjoy the thought of it all... only I don't have a garage... just a metal shed... could get pretty uncomfy in there! lol  But I might be nice enough to put his name on his bowls.  I do have a bit of a heart... some days...

Thanks Vendaval! lol

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/26/2009 11:26:01 PM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/26/2009 11:38:05 PM   
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I have also gotten pregnant seven times, given birth three times and was female last time I checked. (laugh)

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/27/2009 2:11:58 AM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/27/2009 6:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only natural state men are ever in is the first few minutes after they are born--after that everything else is learned behavior by culture. Afraid of maleness, never, disgusted by the fixation with their winie bits, their insistence that emitting nauesating body sounds, missing the toilet and being abrasive is a natural state--yes.
 
I have never stood down from any man, never have and never will. Do I walk away from certain social behaviors? You bet.
 
 
 

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/27/2009 8:27:25 AM   
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The only natural state men are ever in is the first few minutes after they are born--after that everything else is learned behavior by culture. Afraid of maleness, never, disgusted by the fixation with their winie bits, their insistence that emitting nauesating body sounds, missing the toilet and being abrasive is a natural state--yes.
 
I have never stood down from any man, never have and never will. Do I walk away from certain social behaviors? You bet.
 
 
 


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This is so very true.

It is almost impossible to claim anything we see men and women doing as natural because from the moment we are born our nature competes and is corrupted by culture -- for positive or negative. Of course it must be this way because the human cannot survive on it's on for many years and, in fact, does not seem to do well in isolation even when fully grown.

I can't think of a single claim of "naturalness" that holds up because you can always find an example of someone different. If it were truly part of being male then all males would have that behavior and all female would have that female behavior. Quite simple that is a lie.

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/27/2009 8:32:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, are you saying that except for socialization/nurturing, and the obvious physical differences, men and women are the same?     Are you saying that our hormones do not affect our behavior, beyond what is nurtured into us?      M

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/27/2009 8:31:14 PM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/28/2009 6:47:26 AM   
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So, are you saying that except for socialization/nurturing, and the obvious physical differences, men and women are the same?     Are you saying that our hormones do not affect our behavior, beyond what is nurtured into us?      M


I'm saying we would a very difficult if not impossible time to determine what is nature because of the socialization.

For every "male" behavior I've seen declared I've known males who do not do said behavior thus proving that it is not a "male" behavior simply more common among males.

Hormonal differences are a generalities. Males do not have simple one level of hormones, they differ from man to man, from age to age; same for females. Of course our physical and chemical make up affect us but on a individual level not some great all "male" and all "female" level which each individual falls into.

There is also overlap between men and women in terms of hormonal levels when you look at individuals. Are these overlaps signs of illness or abnormality? Don't know but unless you can demonstrate they are created by unnatural means they are still there and thus again show that there is not one model for maleness or femaleness.

Humanity is variety and the sooner we all realize that the better we may be able to help individual and the collective reach it's greatest and best potential.

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/28/2009 7:15:25 AM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/28/2009 7:24:22 AM   
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For every "male" behavior I've seen declared I've known males who do not do said behavior thus proving that it is not a "male" behavior simply more common among males.
I understand that, but we are speaking in general terms, and in general, there are differences.   I can agree that a lot of what one is/does, is a result of socialization.    But speaking in general, if most males (>60%) exhibit a behavior, but only 25% of women do the same, it would be fair to conclude, said behavior is more prevalent in men.

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Humanity is variety and the sooner we all realize that the better we may be able to help individual and the collective reach it's greatest and best potential.
No one can disagree with this, but being different is a part of humanity, and makes no one more or less valuable to the world.   And even if only for propagation of our species, some differences are good to have.   M

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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/28/2009 9:51:34 AM   
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For every "male" behavior I've seen declared I've known males who do not do said behavior thus proving that it is not a "male" behavior simply more common among males.
I understand that, but we are speaking in general terms, and in general, there are differences.   I can agree that a lot of what one is/does, is a result of socialization.    But speaking in general, if most males (>60%) exhibit a behavior, but only 25% of women do the same, it would be fair to conclude, said behavior is more prevalent in men.

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Humanity is variety and the sooner we all realize that the better we may be able to help individual and the collective reach it's greatest and best potential.
No one can disagree with this, but being different is a part of humanity, and makes no one more or less valuable to the world.   And even if only for propagation of our species, some differences are good to have.   M


I'm unclear who you are arguing with in the above.

Where have I said that differences are good or demonstrate less value?

As for generalities great but they are simply that, generalities, not maleness or femaleness. But this is why we don't have to rely on biological sex, we can also use gender as a way to make generalities if we must make them -- at some psychological level I think the human mind must start at that level in order to process the world. Gender isn't biology, it takes into consideration the socialization as well. Even within a society there will be more than two gender though it is rare for others to be given full value by the society at large that does not mean everyone fits neatly into that gender box.

I try to judge people based on what I can see and hear from that person especially when it comes to any interpersonal relationship.

So when the OP asked about being afraid of maleness then gives gender generalities as his examples, I tried to address what he was really asking which I think is "Why do I sense fear from women just because I'm a man?"

The comment you were responding to was another post from me commenting on another response, it was not a statement of my personal feelings about the OP. So I'm really confused if you are angry or disagreeing with me or what...


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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/28/2009 9:53:06 AM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/29/2009 7:02:52 AM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/29/2009 8:21:00 AM   
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Im a man, and I make no apologies for it. Yes, I sweat, I cuss, I belch and fart, I even have an old Ohio State hoodie thats been stained with god knows what and has seen me through many battles alongside my team. However, Im also a musician, actor, singer, writer and poet. Sure, I may not be as familiar with Beethoven's ninth as I am with the buckeye battle cry, but I still enjoy both. The box has expanded.


Well guess what? (not targeted at youngsubgeoff but at everyone reading this including myself)

Women cuss, sweat, belch and fart too -- it's called having a human body and having strong feelings at times. So these examples are examples of maleness or even being a man. Simply a stereotype that is true for some men and not true for others, true for some women and not true for other, and I'm betting true and not true for those who don't want to or can't fit into the categories of "man" or "woman" or "male" or "female"...

And I'm very sure many women have old school t-shirts and sweatshirts as well as pants and other items of clothing with stains they can't identify or don't with to identify.

Anyone, I'm probably being a bitch but I just want a subculture like BDSM might some day raise beyond the stereotypes at least within it's own community.

That said, complaining that someone dislikes you because they think you are a stereotype needs to start with evaluating your own behavior first.

What do you do that might be sending the message "I'm just a stereotype"?

When you figure that out you can either train to change how you are showing yourself or change who you try to attract to those who like what you have to offer. You cannot control what another person finds attract or frightening or exciting. You can only attempt to control what you put out there and that might take work.

Life is work.


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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/29/2009 8:28:04 AM   
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RE: Are Women afraid of maleness? - 1/29/2009 12:52:43 PM   
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Many women do not like some aspects of maleness.  And a lot of them try to squeeze it out of us.  Submissive or not, I refuse to go along with that program.  I like steak and beer, I do not watch Sandra Bullock movies, I don't "antique", and yeah, I like the chicks at Hooters.


Amen!

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