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ORIGINAL: mostgorgeousme

I meant this for the thread what are you most proud of of your sub. I realize there are sub men out there with chips on their shoulders.

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

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It takes great strength to make sacrifices. All submissive men work hard for their ladies and make great sacrifices ... Submissive men carry themselves with class ... He is kind, polite, graceful and dignified. And he walks with his head held high.

Sometimes, sometimes not. Any time you say "all", there's a good chance you're wrong.

There is more than one type of submissive. You've written about only one.

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ORIGINAL: UPSG
LadyP,

I've always liked your posts. And I like this one too. It's the first one I've read tonight just entering this thread. And no, I'm not offended by your reply. However, if my impression of you on this board (from the limited # of posts of yours I've read) is fairly accurate, then I would be correct in judging you a very *strong* and capable woman. If so, then even if you had offended me, I'm sure my being offended would not have offended YOU. [sm=lol.gif] Good to go.

I think though that you misunderstood me. I was not talking about sex - well not penis enters vagina et cetera sex - I was speaking more like a boot in the ass kind of sex. A slap across the face, a whipping over the bare back and ass of the slave kind of "sex." I don't know what you would call it, maybe just erotic fetish "sexualized" activity? I put the "sex" or "sexualized" in there because for the slave or sub of this inclination, such a thing is erotic/sexual.

What I was saying, and I purposely exaggerated my analogy or example just to emphasize a point, was the I've gotten the impression some of the dominant women, apparently into BDSM, would have a young stud building a home from scratch, with hammer and nails, and still deny him a smack on the ass for months or longer under the *hustle*, "You're always thinking about, 'me, me, me,' and not about your dom!" In that case, "game recognizes game."



All that said, I was *surprised* to log on to collarme and see the profile of a dom who doesn't seem to be adverse to males with the *degree* of fetish slavery I have.

And by the way, I'm not against doms making their subs or slave toil and labor (e.g. paint the exterior of her home, rent ass out for domestic labor, or even sell him/her for sex and profit). That was not my point.

I'll try and be open minded though to the idea or possibility that my impressions are largely inacurate.

Oh! And I hope no one takes my comments about licking boots and *sucking cock* being morally corrupt as an attack on the genuinely bisexual or homosexual. I was speaking more in terms of both *me* (meaning my own shortcomings) and in terms of submitting to being a *male slave* that does those things. However, I tend to think not all corruptions are equal in scale nor public harm. My belief is that butchering people or cannibalism and other viscious things are *far* worse. Kind of like a heterosexual man brutally beating his wife. I view that as waaaaaay worse than two homosexual guys going down on each other - or possibly even worse than me on knees and a leash.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The reason is because is you are not a submissive

Hardbodysub is a submissive, MGM.  If you click left, on his name, his profile will come up. 

To explain a little: both subs and dominas on this site are concerned not to get categorised one way or another.  Some subs are into being comprehensively dominated (want of a better phrase) some only partially.  There are all sorts of divisions within divisions, too. 

In saying all that, thanks for your compliment about subs in general, earlier. 

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The reason is because is you are not a submissive

Hardbodysub is a submissive, MGM.  If you click left, on his name, his profile will come up. 

To explain a little: both subs and dominas on this site are concerned not to get categorised one way or another.  Some subs are into being comprehensively dominated (want of a better phrase) some only partially.  There are all sorts of divisions within divisions, too. 

In saying all that, thanks for your compliment about subs in general, earlier. 

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ORIGINAL: mostgorgeousme

Excuse me but no offense to you or anything like that but ShaktiSama is not a misandry. She has an awesome relationship with a really cool man. In addition to that, she has helped a number of male subs with her very excellent advise. So for you to call her out for misandry is wrong. ShakiSama likes men, nice men with class. Just because she calls out the rest of the jerk for what they are, does not mean she dislikes all men. There just happens to be alot of asshole men with egos that make them have chips on their backs and she calls a spade a spade. And one more thing, women have suffered because of men for a long time. And when you say men have suffered too, it is mostly BECAUSE OF other MEN.

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Anyone not of the elites of any society has routinely been used by those in power. That seems to be part of the human equation, fair or not.

Within those classes though women, on average, were given less legal, social, and economic power so in that sense yes women as a group have been more oppressed than men.

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
No, not really.  I don't hate men.  I loathe patriarchy, but I am able to distinguish between men and patriarchy, although I recognize that some men cannot.  Men are people who happen to have a penis attached--I like people and I like penises, so no problem there.  Patriarchy is an oppressive system of gender-biased social, political and economic relations.  This, I have a problem with.  Especially because one of the primary features of patriarchy around the world is that women are always the group that suffers from the least opportunity and greatest poverty, economically speaking.  It is because patriarchy is so common that prostitution is the oldest "profession" in the world--it has always been one of the few economic leveling mechanisms available to women, to get access to necessary resources for themselves and their loved ones.

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As for your weeping and moaning about the oppressive aspects of working-class labor?  You're right, babydoll--poverty sucks.  But women work too, believe it or not, often in lamentable and murderous conditions both historically and in the present.  The only difference between female labor and male labor is not the lack of dignity or safety--it's that women are always paid less, respected less, and additionally expected to live in servitude to men in their personal relationships.  It was servitude in personal relationships that I was referring to in my earlier post, despite your attempt to change the subject.

Labor is a class issue, not a gender issue.  Nice try, but try educating yourself a little better before you haul out the violins on that one.

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Pricks cannot succeed nearly so easily.  Even when presented with the same opportunities as a good man, they will continually fail and continually learn only the wrong lessons and continually blame everyone but themselves for their failures.  It doesn't take long to learn to be a good submissive.  But it takes a VERY long time to un-learn how to be a prick.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I suggest you study some more, USPG...  Black culture may indeed be a matriarchy---much of that is due to the lack of presence of black men.  

Enjoy your viewpoint.

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I suggest you study some more, USPG...  Black culture may indeed be a matriarchy---much of that is due to the lack of presence of black men.  

Enjoy your viewpoint.

Francine? this place never gets too weird for me.
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ORIGINAL: mostgorgeousme

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

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It takes great strength to make sacrifices. All submissive men work hard for their ladies and make great sacrifices ... Submissive men carry themselves with class ... He is kind, polite, graceful and dignified. And he walks with his head held high.

Sometimes, sometimes not. Any time you say "all", there's a good chance you're wrong.

There is more than one type of submissive. You've written about only one.

Bud, what seems to be bothering you so much? Without trying to sound mean to you and all, but your coming off as nit picking here. Why do you care that I say nice things about submissive men? You shoot down a compliment paid to sub men, why? It was all nice things about nice men, so how come you wan to rain on my parade when all I said was good things about sub men? You have something against men who like to submit to women. You don't like it that there are people out there happy in a mistress-slave-sub working relationship. I said something very nice about submissive men and that seemed to bother you. The reason is because is you are not a submissive and it bothers you that there are fantastic men out there who love to worship and obey women. That makes you sick, doesn't it. You are a bottom and don't like men who adore and cater to women. You seem sickened and angered that women and submissive men have a working dynamic and you don't have anyone. Maybe you don't like it that some men love dominant women and that some men want to serve strong, dominant women.

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ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The reason is because is you are not a submissive

Hardbodysub is a submissive, MGM.  If you click left, on his name, his profile will come up. 

To explain a little: both subs and dominas on this site are concerned not to get categorised one way or another.  Some subs are into being comprehensively dominated (want of a better phrase) some only partially.  There are all sorts of divisions within divisions, too. 

In saying all that, thanks for your compliment about subs in general, earlier. 

"Oh who are you kidding. This dude is the furthest thing from submissive. He is not looking to serve a woman. He's looking for a woman to serve him. But he's too lazy to be a dom."

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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You can't make that assumption.. and I don't know him well enough to define him.. *grin* I'll let him do that. 

Well, one can only go on the evidence, M4A, and assume that what someone says in his/her profile is at least evidence of a sort.  Hardbodysub's profile says that he's a sub.  On the other hand, MistressKuma may have a more exacting definition of a sub than most dominas.  Her profile's well worth a look if you haven't done so already. [;)]