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BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 11:41:03 AM   
spacehippie


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Status: offline 		Ok, not sure how to start this, but I'm gonna try any ways. I read a profile by MistressUni, about how she wanted to start an online group for students who are into or want to be into the scene. Since I myself am one of these students, I was looking forward to hearing more about this. But that hasn’t happened :( So I thought I'd see how many people are interested in such a group, and who would be able to organize it. I'm not the best with computers, so I wouldn’t know how to start a group. But I really would be interested in joining one, and talking to other students and their experiences.
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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 11:45:12 AM   
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I think the idea is very interesting, however I don't think it's very practical.

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 11:47:50 AM   
spacehippie


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Status: offline 		And why do you believe this? No offence or anything, just trying to get some info.

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 11:55:16 AM   
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And why do you believe this? No offence or anything, just trying to get some info.


I agree with LA, while the idea is an interesting one, it does not have much practicality. My reasons for this are:

*no one has yet written the textbook....most likely because there are no right and wrong ways, no right and wrong answers....everyone practices in their own way

*it is not something you can gain much real knowledge on without actually becoming a participant....and certainly not anything you can gain any significant understanding of in the time frame of a semester

*every participant will walk away from their experiences with a different perspective and understanding

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 12:00:15 PM   
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*no one has yet written the textbook....most likely because there are no right and wrong ways, no right and wrong answers....everyone practices in their own way

To set this up you will need faculty, advisors, curricula, materials, and could only teach fairly intellectual subjects (no how-tos).

Then you would need students, a large chunk of whom enter with relatively similar levels of experience and interests. And money for tuition, time for study, and desire to go to courses.

With most metro areas already having solid or semi-solid groups to socialize and enjoy...with travelling lecturists and panelists and conventions already giving mini-versions of what you propose, with so many disparate levels of understanding, desire, experience and the fact that most people come into this far after the standard "structured learning period" of life...I just don't see it as a feasible thing.

Again, it's a good idea.

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 12:06:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spacehippie

Ok, not sure how to start this, but I'm gonna try any ways. I read a profile by MistressUni, about how she wanted to start an online group for students who are into or want to be into the scene. Since I myself am one of these students, I was looking forward to hearing more about this. But that hasn’t happened :( So I thought I'd see how many people are interested in such a group, and who would be able to organize it. I'm not the best with computers, so I wouldn’t know how to start a group. But I really would be interested in joining one, and talking to other students and their experiences.
Peace out,
Spacehippie



The idea of an online center is an interesting one. But right now most of the formalized teaching in the scene is centered on face to face interactions at conventions and groups. For example, this February, Jay Wiseman, myself, Jimi and a few others will be giving classes at Sinsations in Leather in Chicago.

I think part of the draw of this is you can get a multitude of views not only from the instructors but from the other participants. Online tends to be much more focused on one perspective. I have rarely seen a website where the information consists of disagreements and contradictions, a situation that reflects the scene better than a monolithic viewpoint.

Now if someone were to do something like this, I think I would be a great idea. I'll love to do my classes from the comfort of my home rather than spending two days in a flying sewer pipe breathing everyone's virii.

I just don't see it happening soon


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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 12:17:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are a few universities that have BDSM groups. I just wish they had one here at UF. *sighs* I should find students into it, and petition student government to make it, but how to go about it is beyond me. But granted who started them elsewhere? Students. It wont happen, unless you make it happen.

If only I could get it to link with the local group, but the local group has an age limit of 21 and they may want that to happen with the university group.

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 1:11:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Slipstreme
If only I could get it to link with the local group, but the local group has an age limit of 21 and they may want that to happen with the university group.


I honestly don't know where this got started. When we created The Boston Dungeon Society, we consulted a number of lawyers and were told that 18 was a perfectly safe limit. There were two considerations: the age of consent and the age of differential obscenity. Both are met by 18 everywhere in the country.

The only think I can think of is some groups meet in bars and that makes for a 21 year old cutoff for the meetings.


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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 2:10:10 PM   
spacehippie


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Status: offline 		Ok, I'm not sure if its just me but I think I didnt make my self very clear, my mistake. What I was wondering about it students who are at university and are interested in BDSM, how do they handle it? With a job, uni work, social life etc. I was hoping to set up a group for students (me included) to see how they do it etc. Does that clarify things? I wanna talk to other students and see how they handle it.
Peace

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 2:25:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spacehippie

I wanna talk to other students and see how they handle it.
Peace


Tammy should be around soon. She's had experience with a student group at Columbia

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 2:43:34 PM   
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I think part of the draw of this is you can get a multitude of views not only from the instructors but from the other participants. Online tends to be much more focused on one perspective. I have rarely seen a website where the information consists of disagreements and contradictions, a situation that reflects the scene better than a monolithic viewpoint.


Are you telling me I can't get graduate credit for my work here at collarchat.com?

Will this effect my student loan?

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 7:28:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Slipstreme

There are a few universities that have BDSM groups. I just wish they had one here at UF. *sighs* I should find students into it, and petition student government to make it, but how to go about it is beyond me. But granted who started them elsewhere? Students. It wont happen, unless you make it happen.

If only I could get it to link with the local group, but the local group has an age limit of 21 and they may want that to happen with the university group.


Having helped found one such group then helping run another one I can say in all honestly if you want to found a student group, kinky or otherwise you do two things:

1. Follow the rules of the institution by the letter.
2. Focus on education and socializing not playing --- universities and colleges have to worry about liability so if you are just talking you are far more likely to succeed than if you want to play. (you can play off campus and you can network with other groups)



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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 7:47:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yes, we do need a snooty collegiate BDSM organization. Think of all the unending pseudo-intellectual debates and elitist little sub-clubs that could be made.

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 7:51:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos

Oh yes, we do need a snooty collegiate BDSM organization. Think of all the unending pseudo-intellectual debates and elitist little sub-clubs that could be made.



So...basically status quo, hm? ^_^

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/11/2006 9:36:36 PM   
amayos


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ORIGINAL: HisMagdalene
So...basically status quo, hm? ^_^


Yeah, ad nauseam.

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/12/2006 12:18:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: spacehippie

Ok, not sure how to start this, but I'm gonna try any ways. I read a profile by MistressUni, about how she wanted to start an online group for students who are into or want to be into the scene. Since I myself am one of these students, I was looking forward to hearing more about this. But that hasn’t happened :( So I thought I'd see how many people are interested in such a group, and who would be able to organize it. I'm not the best with computers, so I wouldn’t know how to start a group. But I really would be interested in joining one, and talking to other students and their experiences.
Peace out,
Spacehippie



The idea of an online center is an interesting one. But right now most of the formalized teaching in the scene is centered on face to face interactions at conventions and groups. For example, this February, Jay Wiseman, myself, Jimi and a few others will be giving classes at Sinsations in Leather in Chicago.

I think part of the draw of this is you can get a multitude of views not only from the instructors but from the other participants. Online tends to be much more focused on one perspective. I have rarely seen a website where the information consists of disagreements and contradictions, a situation that reflects the scene better than a monolithic viewpoint.

Now if someone were to do something like this, I think I would be a great idea. I'll love to do my classes from the comfort of my home rather than spending two days in a flying sewer pipe breathing everyone's virii.

I just don't see it happening soon


It's not going to happen on a site like collarme.com ever because this is a non-pay site. John expects to be paid for his time, which if you are attending 'school' is fine - pay for your education. This site however offers the exchange of information for free.

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I have rarely seen a website where the information consists of disagreements and contradictions, a situation that reflects the scene better than a monolithic viewpoint


But if you are paying for one of his classes you are getting a 'monolithic viewpoint'. He is only one man. Even if he is drawing his presentation through mulitple sources, it all goes through one filter (him).

Now let's not get me wrong. I've been to seminars, his or otherwise, that I have come away from with some great information.

I have nothing against education. I have nothing against being paid to educate. All I am saying is that this web site offers exactly what John is saying "a website where the information consists of disagreements and contradictions, a situation that reflects the scene better than a monolithic viewpoint"

Because I have definitely seen that here on collarme.com. Multiple times.

Now again, moving right along to the discussion as it progresses:

Listen to thetammyjo (at least the post here on the subject at hand :-) on this if you are willing to take action.

Play outside of the constraints (i.e. not where you meet) of the system that tolerates you - you get do what you want (hopefully) & (elsewhere); they don't have to shut you down because things go past what is acceptable beyond what they can explain away (or even better, ignore) to who(m)? they answer to.

Be prepared to learn a bunch of stuff you didn't want to :-) Welcome to human nature. Remember it's the only club we all belong to.

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/12/2006 5:15:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wolfie648
It's not going to happen on a site like collarme.com ever because this is a non-pay site. John expects to be paid for his time, which if you are attending 'school' is fine - pay for your education. This site however offers the exchange of information for free.


Actually, I don't get paid. I get airfare and a hotel room and (rarely) a few meals. All the other out-of-pocket expenses I pay myself. I try to cover those with back-of-the-room book sales but it's a rare trip in which I come home with more money than I had when I left.

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I have rarely seen a website where the information consists of disagreements and contradictions, a situation that reflects the scene better than a monolithic viewpoint


Since I was responding to the OP I neglected to specify I was talking about the kind of website that he was referring to, not a discussion site like CollarMe

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But if you are paying for one of his classes you are getting a 'monolithic viewpoint'. He is only one man. Even if he is drawing his presentation through mulitple sources, it all goes through one filter (him).


That was why I suggest conventions like Sinsations in Leather. While one class may be biased, there are multiple speakers. Also the attendees can interact giving an observer a good idea of how mainstream any individual speaker is.


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RE: BDSM and University - 1/12/2006 5:49:20 AM   
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>*no one has yet written the textbook....most likely because there are no right and wrong ways, no right and wrong answers....everyone practices in their own way<

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/12/2006 10:57:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is kind of funny the way the thread went off thinking he wanted a BDSM College course or something. LOL

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RE: BDSM and University - 1/12/2006 11:17:55 AM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		As a college student, the biggest advantage of belonging to any group (including this message board) is hearing the wisdom of older, more experienced people. I'm not sure that would apply to a group containing all college students.

It might serve as a useful pickup place. Then again, college is already about the best pickup place you could ever imagine. If you are even a little kinky, male or female, there are tons of people looking to get with you!!

I have heard that some schools have open groups and most have underground groups. You might want to look into that.

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